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Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4905
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:10 pm: | 
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Thre was an interesting 'blurb' in today's Star Ledger concerning the smoking ban. According to a poll conducted between 17 and 20 April 70 percent of those polled support the nes law. Sixty-One percent of those 'strongly' favor the initiative.
Surprisingly more smokers then no, 47 percent to 33 percent, believe the rights of nonsmokers should supersede their right to smoke idoors. Eight-five percent of those polledcross the state, believe all workers deserve to be protevted from secondhand smoke and 83 percent believe bars and resturants and bars are healthier for customers and workes under the ban.
There were 803 people polled in this poll. (page 27 of today's Star Ledger |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 221
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:25 pm: |
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bars and resturants and bars ??? by the way it's spelled restaurant |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3022
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:27 pm: |
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Was that really necessary? |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 223
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:33 pm: |
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Yep |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 224
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:35 pm: |
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I am bitchy today...sorry. Must be having PMS (pre mellon-eating syndrom) |
bettyd
Citizen
Username: Badjtdso
Post Number: 215
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 2:12 pm: |
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By the way it's spelled melon and syndrome. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 233
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 2:18 pm: |
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Yep...you got me...now that was "the pot calling the kettle black".
I am sorry "Just" cause I really should be quiet since I make typos all the time..
My bad and very sorry for it. |
Hoops
Citizen
Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1286
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 2:20 pm: |
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I support the ban. In fact I went back to Bunny's last week to show my support and Bunny's was packed.
Looks like a winner all around to me. |
Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1322
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 3:42 pm: |
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Looks like a loss to me. Of civil liberties that is.
Soon smoking will only be able to be done in the home. Then alcohol is will follow.
How soon the country forgets what prohibition can do. |
Pippi
Supporter
Username: Pippi
Post Number: 2161
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 3:52 pm: |
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no offense to all my MOL friends:
when will this issue over? we have debated the non-smoking issue and the ban for months and months
it's a done deal.
Those who feel the ban tramples civil liberties will never have their opinion swayed; likewise, those who feel this is a victory for non smokers will never believe there are civil liberties at stake.
I know, I know...if you can't stand the issue, stay out of the thread.
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2082
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 3:53 pm: |
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and then they'll ban whining. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 243
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 4:04 pm: |
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OOOOH nnnnooooo what am I gonna do then??? God, I can't smoke and I can't whine so I won't even be able to whine about not being able to smoke.
....AND THE LAND OF THE FREE (NON SMOKERS) |
Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1325
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 4:10 pm: |
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Pippi, I don't ever start these type of threads. But, I will continue to post on them as long as people with poor judgment continue to start them.
This ban is a double edged sword really. On the one hand all the smokers complain. On the other there are these “new” customers who wouldn’t go into places before the ban. These customers are generally the ones who are very picky and annoying. (Yes, if you are the type of person that can’t deal with a few smokers, in a bar of all places, then I will call you a picky person) So, on the on hand you piss off a lot of people, and on the other hand these “new” customers come in a piss off the staff.
How’s this for a state slogan; New Jersey, where the intrusive government always knows best!
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Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 244
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 4:14 pm: |
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Hey Mayor...
Meet you outside for a cig anytime.. Thanks for telling it like it is.
hey if you can't deal with grease don't become a chef |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 7570
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 4:48 pm: |
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Actually, I'll bet former avoiders spend less money. You figure all the parents who now take their kids for meals are ordering kid meals and going home right after instead of lingering and having a drink. The people who want to hang and drink are coming in later because the place is full of kids.
I wonder if anyone has done that economic analysis? |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 248
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 4:51 pm: |
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The smoking ban in NY did not affect bars...(yeah right as a bar owner)
But the cig ban in NY was the death of alot of coffee houses cause guess who drinks coffee in the afternoon...a smoker.
Now I am not talking the Starbucks crap...I mean a real coffee house. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4912
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 5:17 pm: |
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Tis okay to point out the mistakes Bajou. I was typing with my laptop on my lap while outside. Gave up after that post. I just thought it was interesting due to the debate on MOL recently. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 250
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 5:34 pm: |
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Dear JtA...please don't be mad. I am not that bitchy usually...don't know what's up with me today.. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1513
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 7:32 pm: |
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Whatever it is, we all hope it passes soon. |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 640
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 10:37 pm: |
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Bajou, you are racking up the posts.....looks like you are addicted to MOL already |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 4919
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 2:51 am: |
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Bajou
I wasn't mad at you in any way! No need to apologize. I hope you have a nice weekend! |
SOSully
Citizen
Username: Sullymw
Post Number: 1253
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 9:50 am: |
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Does the ban require smokers to stand some distance away from the entrance? I went to 2 restaurants over the weekend where I had to run the gauntlet of smokers congesting (pun intended) the entryway. It's still a vast improvement, but it's almost like crossing a picket line |
Taurus5208
Citizen
Username: Taurus5208
Post Number: 157
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 1:19 pm: |
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I believe that the 25 foot rule did not pass. Originally I think that smokers were supposed to be at least 25 feet from the entry way of a business, but when business owners realized that in Hoboken for example, when you are 25 feet from one bar, you're directly in front or another bar or you're in the middle of the street, it isn't really feasible. |
Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1350
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 1:30 pm: |
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I have noticed a new effect from the smoking ban which I find funny.
All the smokers have been pushed to outdoor seating with this ban in effect. So, as the weather is getting nicer and people want to sit outside they find that they cannot do so. As the summer comes in it will be even more funny to watch people getting mad because the smokers are not leaving the tables. People who used to go and sit at the bar for a few hours now sit outside for a few hours instead. People are getting really mad. It is so funny. So, as you sit there waiting for your table outside of your favorite restaurant please remember that your wait will be extra, extra long thanks to you're New Jersey government.
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greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 7596
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 1:37 pm: |
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I would think that an intelligent business owner would not let a party stay at a table with a line waiting, once the party is no longer generating revenue.
Isn't that the #1 rule of restaurant survival? Turn over tables as many/quickly times as possible? |
Lucy Smith
Citizen
Username: Lucy123
Post Number: 136
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 1:50 pm: |
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Greenetree-who said those sitting at the table aren't generating revenue? from what i've seen they are purchasing drinks/food/etc same as they were at the bar...as long as the tab keeps rising the smokers can stay as long as they like! 
mayor-i also enjoy the dirty looks from non-smokers to smokers standing outside (away from the entrance)...bottom line that i've learned is that non-smokers will NEVER be happy and let smokers smoke in peace when they are doing everything required of them by law....non-smokers wanted them out of the bar and got their wish-now starts the whining about the smokers outside where they forced them/requested them to be....
some people just LOVE to find something to complain about....
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Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 2088
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 2:11 pm: |
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Fewer than 20% of New Jerseyans smoke. Sorry to disappoint some of you folks, but there really aren't enough of you to monopolize outdoor restaurant tables (or much of anything else, for that matter). If your goal is to find new ways of antagonizing non-smokers, you may need an aggressive recruiting campaign first to swell the ranks of smokers. |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 7597
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 2:12 pm: |
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Lucy - I said when the party stops generating revenue. A restaurant can't afford to let smokers linger over coffee, dessert or a last glass of wine but for so long when there are people waiting to be seated who may leave and go elsewhere. It has nothing to do with smoking. Have you ever tried to sit in a restaurant with a line over a 4th cup of coffee? Or keep your table if you have the early seating at a restaurant? You will be asked to move to the bar or give up your table at a certain point. Without a smoker in the group.
Bars with outdoor seating may be another story.
Oh, love the blanket assessment of all non-smokers. Maybe you don't get dirty looks because you smoke; maybe it's your rude attitude in general. |
Lucy Smith
Citizen
Username: Lucy123
Post Number: 137
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 2:18 pm: |
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greene-when did i say I was the one getting dirty looks??? i was just pointing out what I observe. and i didn't make a blanket assessment-i said SOME people...
i don't believe mayor or i mentioned anything about lingering over a 4th cup of coffe or dessert-and the places i frequent will let me linger as long as i want BECAUSE i am such a good customer-indoors or outdoors...never been accused of being rude in my entire life...interesting that you jumped to that conclusion from my assessment of one situation
as someone else has mentioned-i don't understand why the topic can't just be dropped-no one is ever going to be happy 100% of the time and SOME people really need to get over it already |
Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1351
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 3:09 pm: |
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greene - "I would think that an intelligent business owner would not let a party stay at a table with a line waiting, once the party is no longer generating revenue."
I don't think any intelligent business owner would kick out of table of people who have been eating a drinking for a few hours just because they have begun to slow down in their spending. If you do this, the people will not come back and you will lose lots of business. Kicking people out is a very bad business practice.
Mr. O'Boogie - So you are saying that about 1 out of 5 people smoke. I would say that most restaurants/bars have less than 1/5 of their seating outdoors. That means even in terms of population breakdown it is completely feasible (and also likely, because outdoors is now the desired area for smokers) that all the tables would easily be taken up by smokers. The reason I stated this was not because I thought it might happen, but because it is happening. I watch it happen all the time.
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Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 260
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 5:46 pm: |
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I grew up in a hotel and ran a very successful restaurant and catering company for several years. Let me just point some things out.
1. The very health conscious customer is a bar/restaurants worst guest.
- they don't drink that much
- they eat light
- they don't stay out late
- they are usually not part of the regulars* (*frequents a place more then
two times a week)
2. The regulars are every bar/restaurant owners bread and butter
- they tend to have more then two drinks
- they show up more then twice a week
- they tend to stay longer
- they bring in more guests on a regular basis
- they show up in the summer, winter even during the holidays
- they also tend to be smokers
So you think that a regular is going to be unwelcome to grab a table and sit outside the whole evening? Think again ...you might go there twice a month and even regularly spend USD 300.00 (twice a month dinner for 4 and you are treating)in that restaurant but you are still not really a regular.
If a regular goes out three times a week (and that includes the weekend with Friday and Saturday) and only spends USD 30.00 per evening he still spends $60.00 more a month then you with your $300.00.
The regulars I know meet up so it usually is the same 6 - 8 people plus here and there the spouses so lets say 10 people. Do you really think a smart restaurant and/or bar owner is going to mess things up with a regular..the same people that fill his/her till every week...Think again.
There was a proposal on the table to allow the bars to deceide if they are smoking or non smoking and the state was going to tax the smoker bar and give tax incentives to the non smoker bar. Guess why they didn't do that...cause almost all the bars would have rather paid more taxes to be smoking establishments.
So you know... you wanted the bars to be smoke free and you got your wish...but outside the deal is off. |
Lucy Smith
Citizen
Username: Lucy123
Post Number: 141
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 6:55 pm: |
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That was perfectly stated Bajou! I am a regular at one of our local establishments and I have never been asked to leave even with a line 30 people deep. They know that my money is GUARANTEED every week/month/year along with the 10+ people who we often meet there and that is why regulars are necessary for any restaurant. A restaurant/bar owner would have to be crazy to bite the hand that feeds them. Your assessment of the situation is dead on! |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 280
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 3:43 pm: |
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Hey Lucy... I am a regular too ..where is your favorite haunt. |
Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1405
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 4:18 pm: |
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Bajou, well put.
I wish everyone could be smart. |
Ima Perplecks
Citizen
Username: Victor
Post Number: 43
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 11:29 am: |
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Went to see broadway show
this weekend and the cast was
smoking. We sat in the front
row and sucked in the smoke.
It wasn't a big deal, just
really unexpected. |
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