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Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 328
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 4:24 pm: | 
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The story of the courage of United Airlines flight 93 passengers on 9-11 is a compelling and heartbreaking one. However like many events, such as the Kennedy assasination, there are people who don't share the conventional view of what occured or who is responsible.
In the case of flight 93, claims have been raised that the airforce actually shot the plane down, rather than the terrorists bringing down the plane to prevent the passengers from regaining control of the aircraft.
When we were discussing the film this week a friend of mine brought to my attention such a contrarian web site, www.flight93crash.com.
I have looked at the web site, and remain unconvinced of their contentions.
What do you think? Alternatively do you think there is something wrong with people who find or always seek conspiracies in world or political events?
I appreciate this is a controversial thread and I don't want to offend anyone. Just thought it was an interesting topic for posted comment. |
anon
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Username: Anon
Post Number: 2689
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 5:34 pm: |
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FvF:
If you ever get a chance check out the book by prize winning historian Richard Hofstadter "The Paranoid Style in American Politics". |
Gregor Samsa
Citizen
Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 508
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 10:01 pm: |
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Maplewood is the conspiracy theory capitol of the free world. |
Shanabana
Citizen
Username: Shanabana
Post Number: 376
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 11:46 pm: |
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And shouldn't they have shot it down if they could? |
Bailey
Citizen
Username: Baileymac
Post Number: 280
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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Rumsfeld said it was shot down.
Slip of the tongue from the Secretary of Defense?
And yes, as horrible as that is, they would have to do that.
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letters
Citizen
Username: Letters016
Post Number: 546
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 11:03 am: |
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If you don't believe the U.S. orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, then you are probably one of those dopes who also does not believe that we made the iceberg that sunk the Titanic!!!
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Gregor Samsa
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Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 510
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 11:17 am: |
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I thought the iceberg was planted by Turkish extremists hoping to destabilize central Europe and drag the English into a world war... |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 338
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 11:31 am: |
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So you were the one that told the Warren Commission that it was Dick Cheney on the grassy knoll in Dallas in 1963?
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letters
Citizen
Username: Letters016
Post Number: 547
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 11:32 am: |
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Greg,
I think you are confusing two different theories. I think the one you are referring to was used as a basis for Orson Well's "The War of the Worlds", which, by the way for those who do not know, really happened but was covered up as to not cause undo panic. There was a depression going on, you know.
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letters
Citizen
Username: Letters016
Post Number: 548
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 11:43 am: |
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FvF,
Don't be a dope. There where no trial lawyers in JFK's car, so therefore Cheney is obviously in the clear. Sheesh...
However, it is indisputable that JFK was an Irish Catholic, so how come nobody made the connection between that and the fact that Blackbeard was killed near North Carolina's Outer Banks on that very same date in 1718? Hmmmm???
Talk about obvious!!!
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Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 847
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 12:15 pm: |
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The pentagon was hit by a missile, not a plane...flight 93 was intercepted by the government mid-flight...and I do not believe that Bob Marley died from cancer. |
letters
Citizen
Username: Letters016
Post Number: 551
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 3:05 pm: |
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OMG, Bob Marley is not dead. I just saw him last week in NYC with Elvis and Marilyn. Boy, you people are really gullible.
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Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 340
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 3:22 pm: |
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The only one of you going in the right direct is Greg and his turkish extremist conspiracy theories. Consider, if you will-
Bill Clinton (pre-heart condition) loved cheeseburgers. Where is the best place to get cheeseburgers in NJ generally. Diners.
Who according to conventional wisdom owns the diners? Greek people.
Therefore:
The Turkish extremist terrorists were concerned that due to his love of cheeseburgers that Bill Clinton would side with Greek interests.
They then decided to create the Whitewater scandal and kill poor Vince Forster.
If I was Hillary I would bring Greg on board as my anti-terrorism advisor. He does seem to have the "right stuff" at least in comparison to Golan Cipel. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 341
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 3:25 pm: |
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Glock17- Now that Maplewood will have video surveillance cameras I expect you will be able to see more dead celebrities moving about town. Do you think it was just a coincidence that property values shot up in M/SO over the past 10 years?
Oh, sorry. I have said too much. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 342
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 7, 2006 - 3:27 pm: |
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On the bright side, no one is posting about the Protocols of The Elders of Zion or the Pope and the Freemasons. Yet... |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1517
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 8:56 am: |
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Why isn't anyone talking about the government assasination of Tupac and Biggie? And what about the lunar landing hoax? Why won't Neil Armstrong come forward and admit that he only went to Area 51, not the moon? |
mwsilva
Citizen
Username: Mwsilva
Post Number: 496
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 12:42 pm: |
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Dick Cheney shot down Flt. 93. |
MSO55
Citizen
Username: Mso55
Post Number: 2
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 5:40 pm: |
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wetherit was a conspiracy or not, the government did use 9/11 to their advantage. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 355
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 6:22 pm: |
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How about the use of lawn pesticides are designed to dull our senses and insure conformity? |
Joe R.
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Username: Ragnatela
Post Number: 420
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 8:48 pm: |
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I always thought there was a strong possibility that 93 was shot down. The way I thought about it 1) if they were in a position to shoot it down rather than let it plow into Washington, it's obvious to me that they would have had to shoot it down, 2) if after everything else that went on that morning and given the timing, if they were not in a position to shoot it down, then we are really in trouble. If they didn't shoot it down, it's only because the terrorists crashed it before they had to (also a possibility). If they did shoot it down, I doubt they would ever tell us. The situation would have presented a horrifying dilemma for the decision makers and the flight crew of the F-16s. But, water finds its level and truth finds the light of day. Someday, maybe not in our lifetimes, we'll learn the truth about 93. It could be a deathbed confession of someone involved in the decision (if there was a decision). |
Case
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Username: Case
Post Number: 1520
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 6:52 pm: |
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I don't know if it really matters, to be honest. We know that the passengers took their fate into their own hands; THAT is the important thing. That is heroism that should be remembered.
I believe that the passenger uprising caused the premature crash. Perhaps I'm wrong, though: maybe the flight was shot down, maybe the Towlie-ban got distracted thinking about all the virgins they were going to be getting soon... who knows? I have a lot of respect for those passengers - I hope that I would be able to respond as bravely.
PS - Q: why do Arabs value virginity so highly? A: they fear comparisons
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Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 373
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 9, 2006 - 8:02 pm: |
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Case- very nice post as to the passengers taking their fate into their own hands. Whatever happened they are heros. |
Gregor Samsa
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Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 513
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 5:19 pm: |
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word up! Why ain't the po-po out looking for Biggie's and Tupac's killers? Glock, care to enlighten us? |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 384
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 5:29 pm: |
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Gregor-
You suspect Tommy Mottola has enlisted Clive Davis in a cover-up? I wonder if Kevin Federline had some involvement too, since they could rap and he obviously can't? |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1524
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 10, 2006 - 6:07 pm: |
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Geez Gregor - the cops were the ones behind the whole thing. Where have you been? |
Gregor Samsa
Citizen
Username: Oldsctls67
Post Number: 514
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 12:12 am: |
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Actually, I thought it was Murder Incorporated. They wanted to send east Coast and West Coast into an allout war, that would cost millions of dllars, and millions of lives. Out of the carnage would emerge a new rap star...Matisyahu. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 401
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 8:15 pm: |
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Greg-
You must really be in the loop ! |
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