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Joe R.
Citizen
Username: Ragnatela
Post Number: 437
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 9:43 pm: | 
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Case: Do people with jobs "squirt out" babies or do they "deliver" them at the luxury suite at St Barnabas. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1389
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:05 pm: |
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(The sound of reality going right over Lydia's head)
But at least with corporations you are gaining mutiple benefits in return by offering them incentives.
I always found it ironic that people act like we are doing corporations a favor for allowing them to exist. What •••-backward thinking. Yes, without us buying their products, corporations would hurt but we would also hurt with corporations.
And the welfare moms are giving us what besides wasted space?
-SLK |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1542
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:12 pm: |
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People with jobs tend to be able to support the children they produce. People without jobs, on the other hand, well... how DO they pay for food, clothing and medicine?
I have several friends who would dearly love to have more children, but they simply can't afford to do so. Guess what? THEY DON'T HAVE THEM.
The Minuteman project is pretty straightforward; they're trying to enforce the border between the US and Mexico. Thanks for the tax advice; their website states very clearly that donations are not tax deductible. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1390
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:17 pm: |
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Lydia,
And another thing. If those poor people stopped making so many lousy life choices and made a couple smart ones they could possibly be making a mint at one of those corporations by now...
-SLK |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 681
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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The Minuteman project is pretty straightforward; they're trying to enforce the border between the US and Mexico
Pretty straightforward, just KKK members finding something to do.... |
The Soulful Mr T
Citizen
Username: Howardt
Post Number: 1913
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:38 pm: |
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Badda-BING! |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1391
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:42 pm: |
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Big Poppa-
You just blew your entiring posting credibility and integrity with your last ignorant post.
Congratulations.
-SLK |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 682
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 10:44 pm: |
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Who cares what you think, SLK.
Congrats! |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1393
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 11, 2006 - 11:01 pm: |
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Poppa-
Great attitude.
You attack a group of people that are taking matters into their own hands because they feel like no one is addressing the problem and you refer to them as the KKK?
And what exactly are they doing that is so wrong? Keeping tabs on the border. Oh lordy, what a crime...
And you are right, I don't give a rat's ••• what anyone thinks, just offering my two cents.
-SLK
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Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 683
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 8:25 am: |
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If those macho minutemen really wanted to make a difference in the world, why don't they focus on something that requires more urgent attention.
What about crime (hell, based on comments on MOL, they should put up a small contingent in CHS!)?
What about child abuse?
What about fund raising for research on cancer, diabetes, etc?
What about Habitat for Humanity?
But no, they (and you) believe this to be more worthwhile. Why is that? Most of you on MOL are intelligent, business-savvy people. Some run their own businesses and others work for large companies. Therefore, I would expect everyone to understand basic budgeting concepts and managing limited resources.
Yet, many posters on this board feel that illegal immigration needs to be stopped immediately and wholeheartedly. All illegal immigrants need to be rounded up and sent back home. I'm not exaggerating, read some of the other threads. I've asked repeatedly "at what cost", and from where should we redirect the funding.......no one answered. Why? Probably, because they agree that it isn't as simple as spending all the necessary money the US government doesn't have.
So, again, why do they feel this issue is so important to be dealt with at whatever cost? Why did Case feel his $20, $30, $50, whatever donation was better spent on the Minutemen instead of Battered Women's Shelters, Research Foundations, MADD, etc?
The answer, in my eyes, is because this issue has hit an emotional nerve with many Americans. There is a sense that the "Others" will take over (losing our "linguistic and cultural unity"). In otherwords.....xenophobia. Right now, this is outwardlooking (US vs illegals). However, that same mentality has been and could again be directed inwards (vs. blacks, latinos, gays, etc).
So, disrespecting the minutemen by calling them bigots? Give me a break!
That being said.....
I am not for an open-door immigration policy. I am for a plan that will be effective and sustainable:
-Amnesty for a portion of the current immigrants
-Guest Worker program (needs determined via analysis by industry/region)
-Fines/Penalties imposed on businesses for hiring illegals
-welfare restricted to legal citizens.
-repatriation of illegal immigrants
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mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 6143
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 8:38 am: |
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To quote Lydia, "If they aren't filing tax returns, they aren't paying income tax, but most illegal immigrants' salaries are so low that thousands (millions?) would qualify for returns that they aren't claiming."
This leads me to a question:
I know that I pay $XX,XXX in income tax. I certainly don't get anywhere near the $XX,XXX back in returns after filing, whether I have kids or not.
If workers are being payed "off the books", then they are not paying federal and state income taxes. But if they were on the books, wouldn't the taxes deducted from their salaries be more than their returns, so that there would be a profit towards the tax pool? Which we sorely need?
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mjh
Supporter
Username: Mjh
Post Number: 517
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 8:50 am: |
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The majority of working illegal immigrants are not paid "off the books". They use false social security numbers, and tax and social security deductions are taken from their paychecks.
The majority of "off the books" payments come in the form of people like ourselves, paying day laborers, babysitters, and housecleaners in cash and paying no taxes. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1547
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:08 am: |
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Big Poppa,
"What about crime"?
Correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't crossing the US/Mexico border without documentation and entry permission from the US Government a crime? |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 684
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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Of course it is, Case. I'm not arguing that.
But, is it as important as focusing our attention to other more serious crimes? that's my concern, a misdirection of our limited resources.
If we implement a program to reduce the number of illegals that we could then deal with, then a feasible solution might exist. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 317
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 1:38 pm: |
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Man some of you posters can really make me want to cry.
By the way I cannot go on welfare to the same extent as a citizen but I have paid into the system for 17 years. I am a greencard holder.
To mem: If you make below a certain income you get all your tax deductions back plus a child care credit.
The fact that illigal immigrants pay rent and buy food makes them pay their share of property taxes and sales tax and yes most of them pay alot of money to get a fake social security number in order to qualify for a drivers license. An illegal immigrant does not use the welfare system because they require too much documentation (birth records, marriage licenses).
Why not go through legal channels you ask..cause there are no legal channels if you are from Mexico or Honduras and some of the other countries that are considered not preferred. You go on a waiting list till you die.
Why dont' all of you stop using illegal labor before you shoot of your mouths. Mow your own lawn, don't go to drycleaners, refuse to eat at restaurants were half the kitchen is illegal, don't go to work cause your building cleaning personal is probably illegal, stop eating chicken, beef and pork cause food processing is predominately done by illegal aliens (it pays •••• and is pretty bloody and grueling). Stop eating those american grown vegetables cause most likely the day laborers who picked them are illegal, so is most of the harvesting industry. Once you got all these horrible people out then you can give these jobs to the unemployeed Americans (if they even take those •••• jobs)but be ready to double the salaries and pay triple for the product.
Do you people really think that an illegal immigrant wants to be illegal. Their American dream consists being legalized, qualifying for jobs that pays better and have benefits. To raise their children in a place were education is not a priviledge reserved for the rich. What has happend to us all...it's a disgrace.
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3094
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 2:14 pm: |
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Bajou,
I am not unsympathetic to the plight of illegal immigrants. However they have chosen to come to this country illegally. They knew it was illegal when they made the decision, and they probably know the consequences if they are caught.
If you want to change immigration laws, that's all well and good. But don't reward people who have broken the law, simply because you disagree with the law. If you don't want to punish them for it, that's a valid position. But to reward them for it, to me, is absurd and will only lead to an increased inflow of illegal immigrants.
Why bother having borders if we are not going to control them? It is not feasible to have completely open borders. No country has them, nor could any country last with them.
So what do you suggest we do? You want to make those that are here already legal. What do you want to do with immigration laws? What do you want to do on day 2, after the current crop of illegals are legalized? What of the next 5 million who come in?
I'm not saying that the only solution is to permanently shut our borders. And it has become evident to even the most strident isolationist that our immigration policy is a joke. but both sides of the table need to be addressed - the people here, and those that will come tomorrow.
BTW, Emma Lazarus is not one of our forefathers. She is a poet who wrote "The New Colossus", describing the Statue of Liberty, in the late 19th century. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 324
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 3:20 pm: |
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Oh Rasto then call her formother.
I told you my suggestion.
Make it possible for poor wanna-be-immigrants to apply for working-visas. These are the people that want to come her and do the dirty jobs that non of us want to do. We are fostering immigration policies that bring in people who are highly educated and really take positions away from the average American worker. Whe instead we need the cheap labor...who are you kidding...did you read the article I attached yesterday? This country cannot function without the cheap labor and you know why illegal immigrants barely participated ...cause they knew that's the way to get caught.
So Rasto are you going to stop using cheap labor in support of your statements?? You be sitting in your house with not many places to go.
Why don't we force people on welfare to work..} |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3102
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 3:39 pm: |
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There are programs that make welfare recipients get jobs. They are workfare and welfare-to-work programs. They are state-run, and vary from location to location.
I do not directly use illegal immigrants. I do not have an illegal nanny, cleaning lady, or gardener.
The dry cleaner I use does their work on site, and I would be surprised if they used illegal labor. if you can show me a dry cleaner that you are sure does not use illegal labor, I'd patronize them.
I have no control over who picks the fruit and vegetables that I buy. I fully understand the ramifications of getting rid of all illegals.
I think you are lumping anyone who disagrees with you into a single bucket of opinions:
"Who are you kidding?" With respect to what? You didn't reference anything I said. Which statements are you referring to when you say "So Rasto [sic] are you going to stop using cheap labor in support of your statements??" I made no statement that we should deport all illegal aliens. You also wrote "you know why illegal immigrants barely participated..." Participated in what? What are you talking about?
My question is what to do to stem the flow of illegal immigrants. If we make it easier for people to come into the country, there will still be illegals. There is simply no way that a country like ours can openly admit millions upon millions of low skilled immigrants annually.
Oh, and the reason we give preferential treatment to highly educated immigrants is the theory that they will increase the number of jobs through innovation or industriousness. I don't know the details of it, but the rationale is sound to me. If you disagree, that's fine. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 328
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 4:51 pm: |
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You are totally right... My mind was running away from me. the barely participated comment referred to the May 1st protests.
We are fine then cause I disagree. Half the anti immigrant momentum is created by the notion that the immigrants take away jobs from Americans.
You are right again..you can't stem the flow of illegal immigrants. Not when they are desperate enough to risk their life to come here. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1551
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 12, 2006 - 9:23 pm: |
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Your mind, or your mouth?  |
efull
Citizen
Username: Efull
Post Number: 21
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 8:58 pm: |
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Oh people, what is going on here! I am ashamed.
First of all did we forget that the "forefathers" came to North America a country that was already occupied by indigenous people and then stole it from them?
I hate ignorance, whether it be groups like the Minutemen or just people claiming to love this country sooo much and really don't understand the history.
The Mexicans or South Americans trying to come over the border have more attachment historically to this country than those screaming to police its borders. They were here 1st and if that is the battle cry then it needs to be rethought by the current screamers.
I agree with Big Poppa as to who they are.
I always explain it to people like this:
My husband and my 3 sons come up to your beautiful house where you and your spouse are nice and welcoming. We see all your wealth and nice things, we don't have that back home, we want better, we think God wants us to have better.
So We then take you and your"non warfaring" spouse and we stick you in the basement. We can do that cause we're bigger and we're stronger and of course God says so. We then bring our cousins down and we decide the basement should be ours as well and we put you into a closet, until hopefully you wither away. Then we say see they we're worth a damn anyway.... we are justified!God says so!
Little do we know he hasn't even begun to speak yet.
Now if that sounds okay to you, then give me your address.
I really don't want your address,I'd rather believe that people like Case,Rastro don't ieve anywhere near me.
However, in my heart of hearts I know that if the majority of the immigrants coming into this country were from France, or Switzerland,(blonde haired, blue eyed) you same people would roll out the red frickin carpet.
Which means only one thing.
Also Case, what are you saying about yourself that you can't learn to speak Spanish, people with you obvious superior intellect typically have excellent skills at adapting to language and culture.
Or Maybe ????????
Also(there's so much to this and its too easy) close to 80% of the people on Welfare in this country are white. Go look it up. As I said ,I hate ignorance.
Most immigrants come here work and start businesses and truly live out the creed that this country was supposedly founded on. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1401
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 9:04 pm: |
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efull-
What did you say?
-SLK |
gotoffadaroof
Citizen
Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 701
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 9:32 pm: |
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Yeah!! WTF did efull say! |
Smarty Jones
Citizen
Username: Birdstone
Post Number: 626
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 9:46 pm: |
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What a bunch of Crackpots.....although, it would be nice to have a Minutemen Chapter here guarding CHS from Irvington and Newark "illegal immigrants" :-) |
efull
Citizen
Username: Efull
Post Number: 22
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 10:06 pm: |
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You heard what I said, now how about an intelligent response. Where was I wrong? And as to a chapter guarding CHS, there already was one and it was the principal and you see what we did with her! |
Smarty Jones
Citizen
Username: Birdstone
Post Number: 628
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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Efull, you are right, you deserve an intelligent response....My interpretation of your story is that you are trying to explain what happened to the American Indian.....I don't think the story of the American Indian is applicable here, however. Different situation, different subject.
On the Hispanic Immigration/Migrant Workforce, I think you are absolutely right. It's nothing but GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY. We need to remember our roots, particularly those of us who live so close to the enscription in the Statue in the Harbor "Give us your tired, your weak, your hungry massess" cuz we'll put 'em to work!!! 4 things have made this country great- Capitilism combined with Smart People, Immigrants, and Working Women.
I'd so much rather have Mexican workers come here and work in a controlled environment (doing a job Americans DON'T want for a minimum wage) then staying in Mexica and taking a job an American DOES want, for $2 an hour. I'd further prefer we annex the whole country, but frankly I don't think Mexico is ready for that yet, because they seem to think that living an impoverished, challenged, backwards life is a better way to live. What do I know? |
Sauna Queen
Citizen
Username: Goodneighbor
Post Number: 57
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 13, 2006 - 11:50 pm: |
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Mr. Big Poppa ... you are giving this audience too much credit. How many of you vilifying immigrants have done your homework? This is so reactionary.
Bijou...your post puts this into perspective...Mow your own lawns...repair your own homes...cook your own food
Where is the big wall that is going to stop Ford, GE, and the Hotel Chains from going across the border to pay cheap wages? Where are the Minute Men who can patrol to end the influx of assembled goods produced by Mexicans once assembled by Ohioans?
These companies have driven down wages in this country and virtually impoverished citizens south of the border. Apparently these conditions drive citizens of Mexico to cross the border at any cost.
Does anyone remember NAFTA? Why is it that after the "free trade agreement" we have increased immigration?
I suggest you do your homework and stop being emotional and reactionary. Go to www.cia.gov - Worldfact book.
Please note that although Mexico has a 3.6% unemployment rate (US 5%), the poverty rate is 40% (US 12%). You do the math.
Stop criminalizing poor people.
Immigration is an old issue and is disguised as a new issue. It is another distraction used against the public (sorta like gay marriages, abortion). Meanwhile there is a war going on that nobody likes, gas is going sky high and there are criminals in congress and in the cabinet.
..things that make you go hmmmmmm
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efull
Citizen
Username: Efull
Post Number: 24
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, May 14, 2006 - 11:43 pm: |
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Smarty Jones -interpretation of your story is that you are trying to explain what happened to the American Indian.....I don't think the story of the American Indian is applicable here, however. Different situation, different subject.
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Smarty- I was not trying, I did. I think many historians would agree it was an accurate, somewhat less harsh account of what happened, and the Native Americans are related ancestrally to many of todays Mexicans so its not a different situation or subject it is a continuation of what I feel is further abuse. As my grandmother would say the "salt in the wound"
I think Sauna Queen is dead on, I often think about every news account that there has been on misspending on Capitol Hill, by Democrats and Republicans alike, where is the thread and outcry on that? Can we hire these Minutemen to guard our tax dollars and make sure they are properly used and don't go to prescription drug habits, secretaries under the desk, $1000 toilet seats....etc?
I agree after reading again with Big poppa, "what makes this such a pressing issue over the things that affect us everyday in our own backyard that we do nothing to help? I truly feel it is a case of "the complexion of the issue and not the complexity"!
Case, are you still there
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Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1559
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 8:32 am: |
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Sure, I was just waiting for the furor to die down. I must say, 24 posts and wow! You're really hitting your stride for a new user.
Also Case, what are you saying about yourself that you can't learn to speak Spanish, people with you obvious superior intellect typically have excellent skills at adapting to language and culture.
Or Maybe ????????
That's really clever! You know, the way you implied that I'm not intelligent because I don't want to speak Spanish? It was really great the way you did that. Again, so few posts and SO good!
While I always appreciate a condesending post concerning my ignorance about history... I know history pretty well. Yes, "we" took this country from the native americans. Manifest Destiny, right? Boo hoo - I'm overcome with guilt.
You want to come to America and enjoy the rights of an American citizen? Great! Learn English. Stop whining. Don't tell me I have to adapt to your culture... you adapt to mine.
Clear enough? |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11505
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 8:53 am: |
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The thing that truly scares the living daylights out of me is that it now appears Bush is going to send National Guard troops to police the Mexican border in an effort to improve his popularity.
First, it is unfair to the NG troops who are already spending around one out of three years in Iraq on average and second, I can only imagine how troops freshly back from Iraq are going to react, expecially when they are pissed off at yet another deployment. Shoot first and ask questions later? |
Smarty Jones
Citizen
Username: Birdstone
Post Number: 635
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 9:07 am: |
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efull, you may be making good points, but you are taking away from your own credibility when you go off on tangents, linking the plight of the American Indian to that of Mexico.
It's ludicrous, and until you re-direct your attention, reasonable people wills top listening to your otherwise very good points. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 6148
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:42 am: |
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eful,
You said, "close to 80% of the people on Welfare in this country are white. Go look it up. As I said ,I hate ignorance."
So I looked it up:
"Racial Shift Among Welfare Recipients
The proportion of white welfare recipients declined significantly following welfare reform (from 33.6 to 23.8 percent) while Hispanic representation among welfare recipients increased significantly (from 20.5 to 29.9 percent). Although black representation remained constant over the two time periods (at roughly 43 percent), the share of low-income non-welfare recipients who were
black increased following welfare reform (28.9 vs. 33.8 percent), while the proportion of other racial/ethnic groups either decreased or remained the same. This finding suggests that black welfare leavers fare worse than others after leaving welfare."
www.iwpr.org/
www.iwpr.org/pdf/D459.pdf
Where are you getting your data? |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1564
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 12:35 pm: |
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I'll give you a hint, mem: chances are that eful needs to stand up when 'retrieving' data.
Get it?
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3ringale
Citizen
Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 200
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 6:09 pm: |
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Putting the Guard on the border is just another meaningless gesture, as Steve Sailer explains:
The Washington Post reports:
"One defense official said military leaders believe the number of troops required could range from 3,500 to perhaps 10,000, depending on the final plan. Another administration official cautioned that the 10,000 figure was too high." [Bush Weighs Deploying Guard to U.S. Border, by Lolita C. Baldor, May 13, 2006]
Sounds impressive!
But do the math
Our Mexican border is 1952 miles long.
There are 168 hours in a week, so each Guardsman would be on duty on the border for, say, one quarter of that or 42 hours per week. (That is unreasonably optimistic, considering how much work time these days is devoted to training, leave, sexual harassment seminars, diversity sensitivity workshops, and the like).
So, if each one of the 3,500 National Guardsmen was on patrol an average of, say, 21 hours per week (which is 1/8th of the 168 hours in a week), that would provide one soldier per 4.5 miles of border.
For some reason, I'm not reassured.
http://vdare.com/sailer/060514_bush.htm
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Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1845
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 6:22 pm: |
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For anyone who really supports tightening our borders, the most effective route would be to go after anyone who employs illegal aliens.
Nannies, yard workers, housecleaners - seriously, how many people get tax ID #'s and pay on the books right here in M/SO?
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efull
Citizen
Username: Efull
Post Number: 25
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, May 15, 2006 - 11:17 pm: |
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Mem , thank you for the correction, I am nothing if not able to say I errored on the number. I saw some different numbers which in looking at it the data is collecting the white and hispanic number together, due to the change in the 2005 census on classification for Hispanic (which was usually white Hispanic and now there is other). But at any rate we could speaking about 60-65 % if we coupled those vs. 40-355 black. I guess it gets much harder to break down ethnicity as we become much moreof a melting pot.
Case, maybe my data is floating around somewhere with your spewings on human beings "squirting out babies". Why don't you go retrieve it?... Get it!
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Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1573
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 7:22 am: |
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Aww... the new poster misses me and wants my attention! 
I guess it gets much harder to break down ethnicity as we become much moreof a melting pot.
So... you weren't completely in error about your quoted 'statistics', you just assumed that everyone in the USA was already inter-racial? Or it wasn't YOUR error, it was the 2005 census?
Though you never know, efull - when some unemployed woman drops a sprog a year for the welfare money, maybe it IS harder to break down ethnicity. |
Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 847
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:01 pm: |
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I tried to access the link that started this thread. It's dead.
http://www.minutemanproject.com/donations.asp
Oops. Is the check cashed?
J.B. |
gotoffadaroof
Citizen
Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 704
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:22 pm: |
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Check out the site @ http://www.minutemanproject.com
A bit slow to load this PM, but certainly still around to give us many more posts of angst! |
Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 851
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:29 pm: |
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Damn! I thought I had killed the thread. Beware when I ask about coffee, though.
I killed the bear thread with that one.
J.B. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 925
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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Scam alert. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3148
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 16, 2006 - 11:12 pm: |
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I love this one.
Anyone read the US vs Militia books? I forget the author. Pulp fiction, but who knows...
http://www.minutemanproject.com/news/?p=33
The putrid stench of cowards and traitors fill the nostrils of the American people once again. Excerpts from an article by ASSOCIATED PRESS:2:54 a.m. May 9, 2006
LOS ANGELES - The U.S. Border Patrol is alerting the Mexican government to the locations of civilian border patrol groups when the organizations help detain suspected illegal immigrants or use violence against them, according to a published report?
U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Mario Martinez told the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario that the policy is meant to assure the Mexican government that migrants‘ rights are being observed?TJ Bonner, president of the Border Patrol agents‘ union, said members have long complained that the Mexican government has undue influence over U.S. enforcement policies.“That‘s not a legitimate role for any foreign nation, ” Bonner said.
In response to this article,Jim Gilchrist Founder of the Minuteman Project was quoted to say:
“I am outraged that there are those within our own nation who have stooped to the depth of betraying law abiding citizens in their effort to secure our nation through the Observe and Report Minuteman process at the border. This is no doubt an attempt by some to discredit the patriotic actions of good hearted citizens who believe that the Federal Government is refusing to secure our borders. Furthermore, I believe this is in direct response to the overwhelming success of the Minuteman Project calling attention to the issue of insecure borders and failed immigration policy.“
Posted Tuesday, May 16, 2006 |
Case
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Migrants... I guess that reads better than illegal alien. |
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