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     Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1874 Registered: 5-2001 |
"Facts" You're on the case - what's your point? Nothing happened? Something happened and you didn't observe a police presence at 5:05? A woman was assaulted. This thread was started to remind everyone to be aware of their surroundings - no matter the weather or time of day. 6yearez came out of this in one piece and passed her experience on to other people so that we don't read it in the headlines. You and Glock need to blame the victim - ugh. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 535 Registered: 4-2006 |
Lydia: Let me explain my post to you since you don't seem to get it. If something like this happens the police generally run cars through the area for awhile. I noted I did not see one patrolling or parked. One of the employees who gets a lunch break and spends the time outside in the lot also told me that they didn't see any police cars when they were outside on the break. People should be cautious everywhere. I found it curious there was no police presence given what was posted. Stop being so obtuse. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1471 Registered: 10-2005 |
FvF- Oh deary me, it wasn't just anyone who was assaulted, it was a woman silly. I am by no means blaming the victim here, but I find it interesting that Lydia makes such a distinction. Would the crime be any less if a man was assaulted? Just wondering.... -SLK | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 968 Registered: 7-2005  |
I'm not blaming the victim. But she did put herself in a situation where a carjacking/ kidnapping was very easy. She said it herself. "My keys and bag were tossed into the front seat. That's the only thing I would never do again, and it was careless to leave those things there, given that I was in the back seat and vulnerable." Swish. | ||
| 6yearrez Citizen Username: 6yearrez Post Number: 171 Registered: 9-2001 |
Hi all, Feel free to quote me. I take nothing back. It was stupid of me to leave my keys and bag in the front. Anyone could have taken them or driven off with me in the back seat. The guy who "assaulted" me did not touch those things. He did not want them. If I had my keys in my pocket I could still have been carjacked. The same exact incident could have happened in my own backyard. The possible scenarios have been playing over and over in my head all weekend. Anyone who has lived through this knows what that's like, and it's not pretty. I am reading the posts here to add helpful information, if I have any, and to correct misinformation. I have PL'd Lydia and will continue to do so, to ask her to speak for me if I have anything more to add. I don't really want to post any more because it stresses me out. I am not a liar, I did the same "stupid" things any of us might do when we get a little comfortable in our own space (and my car is my second home, given the amount of time I spend there transporting kids, waiting in carpool lines, etc.). I have in the past, in fact, purposely locked myself into the back seat when adjusting car seats. I am by nature a very cautious and somewhat overprotective person. But even I know that it is impossible to keep my guard up perfectly 100% of the time. But we can all do our best to watch out for each other. I know that's what my friends at Motion are doing. So please respect Lydia's postings if she says something is from me. She is a good friend, and if she says she is speaking for me, she is telling the truth. Thanks, and stay safe. | ||
| 6yearrez Citizen Username: 6yearrez Post Number: 172 Registered: 9-2001 |
I just checked my profile and found an outdated email address (!). I apologize if any of you have tried to contact me. I wasn't ignoring you! You can PL me, I have corrected the address. Thanks. | ||
| kevin Supporter Username: Kevin Post Number: 704 Registered: 2-2002 |
Just curious, what part of the parking lot did this happen in? Right in front of the Motion Fitness doors? To the right or left? I am wondering if there were any witnesses that don't want to get involved. Many times there are people sitting in their vehicles in the parking lot in front of the Motion doors. To the left of the Motion doors, the Whole Foods employees hang out at the top of the stairs while they are on break. This is probably where the employees park as well as it being the Whole Foods customer overflow lot. Towards the back of the parking lot where it is usually empty, there are sometimes cars parked here and there with people reading, eating, sleeping and doing who knows what. Being that this happened right before noon, chances are someone saw something. | ||
| Case Citizen Username: Case Post Number: 1636 Registered: 2-2005 |
I don't think their problem is that a woman was assaulted... I think the problems here go deeper than gender. Glock is proving himself to be nothing more than a joke, and I'm honestly confused about Fact and his observations about police presence after the incident. I'm sure there's a point somewhere... | ||
| 6yearrez Citizen Username: 6yearrez Post Number: 173 Registered: 9-2001 |
Kevin, One more post then I need to sleep- If you walk up the big staircase from Whole Foods, pass the area where employees are often hanging out... Go straight, passing the couple of rows of cars on your right. Cross the driving lanes... go straight up the row. That's where we were. Not off in a corner. We were in an active section of the lot.(If you walk out of Motion, it's just a couple of parking rows to the right and we were up maybe about 7-8 cars?) Two people ran into the building with me. One was the person I had called out to directly, and I'm fairly certain this person gave a police statement. My best guess is the police checked out anyone else that was hanging around by Whole Foods. Really good point. | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 969 Registered: 7-2005 |
So, Case...because I proved you wrong I'm a joke? | ||
| Scully Citizen Username: Scully Post Number: 521 Registered: 8-2005 |
SLK: 'Oh deary me, it wasn't just anyone who was assaulted, it was a woman silly.' Because it WAS a woman. If it were a man I'm sure she would have dropped the 'wo...'. Odd time to go all PC! | ||
| Case Citizen Username: Case Post Number: 1638 Registered: 2-2005 |
Here we go.... Glock, when did you 'prove me wrong'? Was it after your diatribe attributing all the problems in the black community to the evil white man? Or when you suggested that it would be easy to get a CCW permit in NEW JERSEY, of all places? Perhaps it was your "Yo MTV Raps" assertation that "CCW permit = good"? I'd love to explore your fantasy about the 'post hardcore felony' hostage taker. Was THAT where you 'proved me wrong'? Now, I realize you won't address any of this stuff. You'll move on, trying to change the subject, looking for another topic of conversation and debate. Sadly, the message board's postings will remain available for all to read for a very long time. Calling you a joke is giving you the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro  Post Number: 3200 Registered: 5-2004  |
FvF, since you are so concerned that someone made up this incident, why not call your hometown police department and ask them about it? Maybe you should ask THEM why there is no stepped up police presence, rather than insinuating that this incident did not take place. | ||
| mlj Citizen Username: Mlj Post Number: 245 Registered: 6-2001 |
How about sending or delivering your personal letter to the managers of CVS, Whole Foods, and the fitness center, etc. expressing concern and need for improved security in their parking lots? As an alternative to spending time and energy on this thread arguing with each other, debating use of pistols, etc. and blaming the victim, I suggest that perhaps getting signatures of others on the letter might be more productive in the long run. I agree with Bob K - people are loading groceries and getting their children into car seats, and assisting elderly parents. So obviously you cannot simply get into your vehicle and lock the door behind you in seconds. Of course, you have to be aware of your surroundings at all times, but realistically, who among us is not distracted by a whole host of matters and/or problems weighing on our minds? I park in these lots several times a week, and rarely do I see security presence. I like KMK's post about mobile police booth (I think could be private security, not necessarily police, I would be surprised if Millburn Police would man such a booth) with platform and remote cameras or something of the kind. | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7781 Registered: 5-2001  |
I think that the only people here blaming the vicitm are those who speak from alternate orifices. Everyone else is sharing personal safety tips and checking in on 6. 6 - glad you are OK. Don't pay attention to a couple of gnats who are legends in their own minds. You can't get bogged down in their insecurity issues. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6187 Registered: 5-2001  |
I wish someone would post a description of this guy. He's at large and who knows where he'll strike next. | ||
| doulamomma Citizen Username: Doulamomma Post Number: 1440 Registered: 3-2002 |
Glock: "Swish"? This isn't a game - real people (as opposed to video game characters) are involved here - maybe try being less concerned about being clever (your opinion - not mine) & more concerned with graditude that nothing worse happened. SLK: Should Lydia have said "humanoid"? The emphasis on gender was yours alone... Factvfiction: Maybe Oliver Stone would be interested in a screen play about the Motion Fitness parking lot conspiracy... | ||
| Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 6375 Registered: 12-2001  |
mem, it may well be that in the confusion and hollaring that occured 6 couldn't get a good description and rather than post something she isn't sure of she is not posting anything. And while this guy may or may not still be out there doesn't mitigate the fact that, like cockroaches, for everyone you hear about there are a thousand more. I don't think this person is preying on that lot. It sounds like an opportunistic experience. I am glad you are ok 6 | ||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1875 Registered: 5-2001 |
"facts", Glock and SLK - SLK - Your implication of sexism? Too stupid to even get into. "Facts" - There were increased daytime police patrols after the attack, and there are always evening and weekend security. Dunno what to tell you "facts", just because you didn't see something doesn't mean it wasn't or isn't there. The turn this thread has taken has upset 6yearrez, and the "blame the victim" vibe some posters have taken is bizarre. It says a lot about the selective compassion of people like Glock. FYI - 6 never posted a description of her attacker, as Glock reported falsely. We're lucky to live in a safe part of the world - where random acts of violence are still shocking. The nice thing about this thread is the goodness, concern and safety suggestions expressed by almost everyone towards 6Yearrez. To borrow another poster's tag line: Be well all. Lydia | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7786 Registered: 5-2001 |
It's also possible that 6 was asked not to post a description in order to avoid any potential conflicts down the road, should there be an arrest and prosecution. It would be nice if, were there any helpful details, MPD released the info. Lydia - you said it so well. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1476 Registered: 10-2005 |
Lydia- Here comes the -ist label. I am being sexist? The fact that you dwelled on the point that the victim was a woman caught my attention and prompted my sarcastic reply. We are all smart enough to figure out what the victim's gender is without your help, thank you. -SLK | ||
| Crazy_quilter Citizen Username: Crazy_quilter Post Number: 301 Registered: 2-2005 |
SLK -- i don't read any dwelling going on in Lydia's posts. Sounds like your own issue to me. should we always say "person"? when referring to humanoids (ha ha doulamamma!) Glock -- i've spent too much time trying to figure out where you got the Puerto Rican description from. Can you tell me what you are quoting from there? | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 971 Registered: 7-2005 |
I love how everyone still says I'm "blaming the victim". I'm just pointing out a fact that the victim herself agrees with. | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 3809 Registered: 12-2004  |
Not quite, and clearly you are the only one that doesn't realize that. So you just go on believing that if it makes you feel good. | ||
| Case Citizen Username: Case Post Number: 1640 Registered: 2-2005 |
See, Glock? Calling you a joke was actually being kind! | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 540 Registered: 4-2006 |
Rastro- It doesn't involve you, it happened in MSH, so what do you care? The PD is not going to tell a citizen what is going on in an active investigation and you can't get any info from an OPRA request about it either. Like you addresed the subject of your S.O. reval to me as none of my concern, this ain't yours. Just go back to being "witty" about NSA wiretaps and Bush. Lydia- So we have "undercover" patrols? And so the MPD wants to encourage another attempted carjacking so they can catch the perp, even though he/it might try again when they may not there? Also, several employees I have spoken to have not heard one word about an attempted carjacking. Think their employers could be sued if something happens to them and they did not notify them? Something strange about all this, that's all. No Oliver Stone or Michael Moore nonsense. Case- You did your part in posting what you thought was helpful, although unless you are a cop, you certainly creep me out as a wanna-be. It seems you want to beat Glock into the ground for his take on this subject, forgetting people post for fun or are deliberatly inane. It's not your place,mine, or anyone else's to control a thread. Lighten up. | ||
| Lydia Supporter Username: Lydial Post Number: 1883 Registered: 5-2001 |
"facts" The patrols have lights on the top of their cars and writing to explain that they are security guards - I don't know where you see the strangeness in the situation. You've spoken to "several employees" - really? Talk to the management at Motion Fitness and Whole Foods - I did. As of this afternoon, the managers at both Motion and WHole Foods had sent out memos to all their employees, as well as cc-ing the company that owns the building and requesting/demanding round-the-clock security. Your credibility is about as solid as your ironic Nom de Nette. "Facts" vs Fiction? Where have you presented any truthful facts? | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 544 Registered: 4-2006 |
Lydia- I meant POLICE PATROLS. The security patrol is always around in the evening and the car there on the CVS side during the day. Do the security people have GUNS in order to arrest a suspect or stop an assault dear? It is a police matter once an incident report has been filed and an investigation commenced, and even if it is a private lot the MPD has the right and ability to access it. As of 5:30pm not one of the employees I talked to knew about it. When I go in the area tommorrow I will ask about your claimed "memo". Please also post who you spoke to. It's not a matter of my credibility Lydia, it is a matter of you being able to read a post and understand what it says, again. I did not claim nothing happened, I did say it was curious that in the times I have been there I have not seen any POLICE presence, given the seriousness of the reported act. Our PD is very good, and is attentive even to what other towns would consider minor issues. So it suprises me that a watch commander does not have marked cars rotating through the lot, primarily to reassure residents and shoppers. I would think I would have seen one, given the number of times I have been there. | ||
| The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1482 Registered: 10-2005 |
Crazy quilter- ok, maybe a better word to use is "emphasized." -SLK | ||
| crabby Citizen Username: Crabbyappleton Post Number: 636 Registered: 1-2004 |
would have saw one? Oh New Jersey. | ||
| Case Citizen Username: Case Post Number: 1644 Registered: 2-2005 |
So, you don't want to control the thread - good dog. Here's a biscuit. Thanks for your advice to lighten up. I'm glad you're no longer questioning whether or not this incident did, in fact, take place. Don't worry about Glock - he's just like you... when he screws something up, he'll ignore it and wait for it to blow over! | ||
| Glock 17 Citizen Username: Glock17 Post Number: 972 Registered: 7-2005 |
Wrong again. | ||
| Case Citizen Username: Case Post Number: 1646 Registered: 2-2005 |
Actually, Glock, it seems that I was correct: Here we go.... Glock, when did you 'prove me wrong'? Was it after your diatribe attributing all the problems in the black community to the evil white man? Or when you suggested that it would be easy to get a CCW permit in NEW JERSEY, of all places? Perhaps it was your "Yo MTV Raps" assertation that "CCW permit = good"? I'd love to explore your fantasy about the 'post hardcore felony' hostage taker. Was THAT where you 'proved me wrong'? Now, I realize you won't address any of this stuff. You'll move on, trying to change the subject, looking for another topic of conversation and debate. Sadly, the message board's postings will remain available for all to read for a very long time. Calling you a joke is giving you the benefit of the doubt. Although... your concise rebuttal IS pretty hard to counter! | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 2494 Registered: 5-2001 |
Case, I know YOU know this. But please give it up. It's not worth your otherwise valuable time and input on this and other threads. Really. Let it go. It really is not worth it. | ||
| kevin Supporter Username: Kevin Post Number: 709 Registered: 2-2002 |
At 6:30pm tonight, the security guard was doing his job and was even driving around the Motion side of the parking lot. Three MPD were blocking traffic on Millburn Ave across from the Natural Cleaners, right near the shopping center. I'm not sure what they were involved with but they were definitely in the area. Fact, you mentioned twice that you spoke with "employees" - several of them...Employees of what? | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3208 Registered: 5-2004 |
Fact, MPD won't give you details, but they will acknowledge whether an incident took place. Or maybe call the paper? The Start Ledger or your local rag (is it the Item?) should have information if they do any kind of police blotter. It may have taken place in Millburn, but it happened to a SOMA resident. So it does concern me. If it happened to you, I might not be as concerned. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 549 Registered: 4-2006 |
Rastro- How is it that I knew from your other posts that you remained such a humanist when it came to people who don't share your usually predictable political and social views? Anything can be an "incident", and anyone can file an incident report with the police. This has been claimed to be a real carjacking attempt. Quite serious and quite different. I do find it strange that people don't seem to know about it who work there and marked PD cars have not been going through the lot. Let's see if it is reported in the Item or The News Record. Doubt it. Case- Nice to see you have a place to work out your obvious frustrations in life. A punching bag might be better for your overall health though. | ||
| mem Citizen Username: Mem Post Number: 6195 Registered: 5-2001 |
factvsfiction, What is your argument about here? You think this was all made up? Confusing. | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7800 Registered: 5-2001 |
There are rocket scientists working in the produce department at WF who can't identify a mango. I wouldn't pin the proof of criminal on the awareness level of local employees. That makes about as much sense as using an astrologer to set foreign policy. Oh, wait. Never mind. Reagan did that. | ||
| Rastro Citizen Username: Rastro Post Number: 3210 Registered: 5-2004 |
So just to be clear, you are calling the victim a liar because you do not observe what you personally would expect to see in the aftermath. And you believe someone would take the time to file a false police report about acarjacking attempt. And given what you've seen driving around, that's more likely than a carjacking having taken place. Why do you doubt it will be in the Item or the NR? Because it didn't happen, or because you don't think the newspapers would cover it? I can't speak for hte Item, but he NR actually does have a Police Blotter section where they report on crime. Actually, you have no idea what my political and social views are other than that I dislike President Bush and his actions. My disdain for you arises not from your politics, but your inability to carry on a reasonable discussion or debate, or to stay on topic. |
