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I'm Only Sleeping
Citizen
Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 175
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 3:47 pm: | 
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I have no idea if it's rare or not. But there's a big difference between filing a report and giving it the major splashy treatment they gave it. Did you actually see the report?
I think we're spending too much time discussing what was actually a pretty small point, so I'll let it go at this point. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14491
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 3:57 pm: |
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OK, I think I see what's going on here. Imonlysleeping is commenting on the newsworthiness of the story, i.e. what makes good news and what doesn't. And everyone else is taking her/him to say this isn't something for us to be concerned about, which she/he didn't say.
I don't care what's newsworthy. I think TV news is a totally lost cause. It makes me furious, so I avoid it altogether.
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greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 7838
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 4:18 pm: |
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I wonder if your home being on the news being described as "on an immaculately manicured lawn in front of a semi-palatial tudor" raises your property tax?
Somewhere in Town Hall, the address is being looked up. "Hey, there's no permit at that address for a semi-palace. That's worth about a 10% increase, right?" |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6389
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 4:37 pm: |
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Just talked to a cop in the village. All the bad guys are in custody.
And a car chase from Newark through the suburbs is catchy. Its ratings. It's viewers (I'monlysleeping you seemed to have watched it  ) but is it news? The editor of the station seemed to think so.
And Mr. Reingold, I have the same reaction to television news as you. It is infuriatingly rotten. |
I'm Only Sleeping
Citizen
Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 176
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 4:50 pm: |
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I can't imagine this little story is going to have any impact on ratings. But my question here is what MAKES this story news? Not the crime itself, I don't think. And not the chase either, since there wasn't any footage of that. So what is it that makes the editor of the station think it's big news?
I dunno, we'll find out soon enough if they still think this is big news or if on reflection they've decided it's not that big of a deal (speaking from a news decision-making perspective, not from a living-in-Maplewood perspective, an acccurate distinction that I thank Tom for pointing out). |
Joan
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Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 7492
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 5:17 pm: |
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Channel 2 just ran the story on the evening news. One part of the story mentioned the complaints from Maplewood residents about the high speed at which the police cars were traveling, followed by a disclaimer that none of the police cars were traveling faster than 40 miles an hour. No mention was made of the fact that most of the portion of the chase in Maplewood was in a 25 mph zone. |
sk8mom
Citizen
Username: Sk8mom
Post Number: 444
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 5:41 pm: |
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Armed individuals have just committed a crime of violence -- against children, it so happens -- and then flee the police at high speed into the next town. Don't these fleeing alleged armed, violent felons present a great risk of danger? They could take a hostage, start shooting at the police, push their way into a home, whatever. What exactly should the police have done differently? |
Brett Weir
Citizen
Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1581
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 5:50 pm: |
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LilLB- That Pursuit Policy discussion centered around a stolen car. This morning's chase involved a car with two armed men who committed multiple robberies at gunpoint. The policy is designed to expand police authorization to pursue incrementally based upon the seriousness of the offense committed as well as the immediate threat to police and the public. I'd say today's chase was probably well within the parameters established.
CHECK IT OUT:
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/vehpurs_2001.pdf |
campbell29
Citizen
Username: Campbell29
Post Number: 454
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 7:00 pm: |
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40 mph, my •••.
I was travelling down Elmwood at probably 35, first car was at going at least 60, chase cars were right behind. They all blew by - even the police cars that were further back. I'm sure they had to go fast in order to keep up with the car with the perps. Who seriously expects that if the cops are in pursuit, that they are going to let a suspect get away so that they can obey some sort of speed limit? Unfortunately, Maplewood isn't contructed so that the police can utilize a low speed chase strategy. |
The Notorious S.L.K.
Citizen
Username: Scrotisloknows
Post Number: 1507
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 9:35 pm: |
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eatshootsandleaves-
LOL!
I took care of the "illegal student." I now have free lawn and pet walking service for eternity.
-SLK |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 7839
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 9:43 pm: |
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I'm thinking that since they are all traveling one behind the other, having 10 cop cars going that fast isn't any more effective than having a couple; especially since they were being met by other cops coming from the other directions.
Next time I get stopped for speeding, I'm going to use police MPH. 'Cause if that was 40 on their speedometer, my 60-70 ought to correlate.
It's not about going 25mph; it's about common sense for public safety. Parameters or not.
The other thing we were talking about this morning is that it was a good time to go to Newark and commit a crime since so many of their cops were here.
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Michael S. Koenemund
Citizen
Username: Kb1ckf_981
Post Number: 56
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 26, 2006 - 11:50 pm: |
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You know most of you always have to find something to complain about, be glad that you have a good group of police officers and support staff that are trying to keep your town safe, I no longer live in town but I still have major ties to Maplewood/ South Orange. They got the guy(s) and that is some more of the bad element off the street, BE GLAD. Yes, someone may have gotten hurt in the chase, BUT THEY DIDN'T and the job got done.
LIVE WITH IT, Unfortunately Maplewood isn't Mayberry anymore.
This is solely my opinion and not necessarily that of anyone else I know (although I know people must feel this way) |
Bill232
Citizen
Username: Bill232
Post Number: 174
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 6:54 am: |
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Greenetree- "Its about common sense for public safety"
The intention to capture four thugs that have just committed a half dozen ARMED ROBBERIES so that it does not happened again is not regarded as a 'concern for public safety'. Come on. The concerns of this whole thread are going off track. It should be directed at the four pieces of c--p that started this incident the moment they held a weapon to head of the half dozen individuals that were robbed coming home from school. Well done MPD and NPD.
Nicely worded Mike K. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1692
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 8:54 am: |
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It's a tough question. Obviously you wouldn't want a high-speed chase for every little thing that happens... but as stated above, armed robberies are NOT little things.
I think Newark has a 'no pursuit' policy for stolen cars for just that reason - it must be frustrating as hell for the cops. |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11641
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 12:21 pm: |
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Does anyone really believe the police chase was conducted at 40 mph? Heck, the traffic on Elmwood usually moves at close to that speed at rush hour.
While many would like to post signs at the Newark border that say, "What happens in Newark, stays in Newark", this is unrealistic. Anyone else remember the old Bonnie and Clyde type gangster movies where the bad guys head for the county line and the sherrif can't continue the chase?
The good news is that nobody got hurt. It would have been ashame if one of the perps was injured.  |
JKOH
Citizen
Username: Jkoh
Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 27, 2006 - 11:12 pm: |
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you know, after reading this entire thread, I will chime in and say THANK YOU to all the Newark, Irvington, South Orange, and Maplewood Police that collared these jerks. One ran through my driveway, was tackled in front of my house, the other across the street in my neighbors driveway.
I don't like seeing fleeing suspects running for their lives through my driveway.
It doesn't make for a good morning. My 4 year old had been in that driveway one minute before getting the newspaper. Armed or people who are beleived to be armed being pursued by the police ten feet away from my family isn't small news anywhere. This never happened in Brooklyn. Not by my apartment, at least. It was pretty traumatic. Not to mention having to answer an inquisitive 4 year old as to why there were so many policemen in our yard, and why that guy dropped his jacket there.
It is a big deal. and don't get all comfy sitting wherever you may be; one of my clients who lives in Millburn told me about a friends daughter who was robbed at gunpoint a few months ago on Wyoming ave. in the evening. |
Dobler88
Citizen
Username: Dobler88
Post Number: 111
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 29, 2006 - 10:31 pm: |
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JKOH, I think I saw your daughter two minutes before it all happened, getting the paper at the edge of your driveway. I dont want to be too descriptive or make you uncomfortable, but the little girl I saw was a very cute dark haired child, grabbing a paper....and the house is on right side of oakland as you are walking down from prospect.
I couldn't get her out of my mind all day--the timing was amazing.
And I do want to say after all of this that if I came across as critical of the police, it was not my intention. I certainly hope this never becomes the "norm."
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Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 401
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 5:55 pm: |
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My I just remind everyone of the camera thread when lots of people thought that they was not necessary considering the crime level we have. What if the criminals had not been apprehended and we'd need to get a good look at them.
I live on Vose Avenue in South Orange and unfortunately we are getting used to cars flying down the street heading for Orange. Beats trying to take off via Scotland Road which has more traffic and traffic lights. It has become a favorite for car thieves. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3258
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 - 11:19 pm: |
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While I am not completely opposed to cameras, there is no way a camera would have allowed for identification (or even features beyond POSSIBLY skin or hair color) of those driving on the road at 40, let alone ahtever speed they were really going. |
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