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notehead
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Username: Notehead
Post Number: 3383
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:02 pm: | 
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Right now I can hear a high-level project manager hollering at some other people in his office. Even when I am really angry at somebody at work (which is, fortunately, rare) I express myself through what I choose to say, rather than by shouting. I just don't see the use of raising my voice. Mistakes will be made, things will go wrong, people will misunderstand each other or have different priorities, but ultimately we all want to get our work done and support the company. It's really a shame that some people can't keep that in mind and stay calm.
On the other hand, some people feel that it is actually better to get loud and let it all out, so that they can release the pressure they feel and move on (both at work and in their lives at home).
Do you find it necessary to holler at people at your job, or work with people who do? |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 424
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:06 pm: |
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Frankly I find such behavior absolutely unprofessional and uncalled for. It is a shame that a person who has reached a high-level position feels that this is appropriate. I work for a big company and this behavior would never fly here at my office. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1607
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:07 pm: |
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I do my very best to avoid yelling in all cases. (Actually, I do my best to avoid confrontation in just about every way.) Sometimes though it must be done to get a point across if all else fails. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6439
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:08 pm: |
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When I produced the first NY Comedy Film Festival my "boss" used to do that. Yell and move on. Didn't matter who he yelled at either. He just would get pissed off at a situation and yell at whoever was in the way. And since in the beginning it was just him and me in the office I was usually the recipient of the shouting. Even if I had nothing to do with what made him so fired up. It was his way of not sitting on the anger/frustration. It took me a while to catch on and not a few talkings to to him saying "dude, don't yell at me for something Warner Brothers screwed up, I had nothing to do with it". When I realized this was his manner of dealing, when we took on more people and interns I always gave them the "he-is-not-yelling-at-you-he-is-yelling-through-you" talks.
different people handle things differently. But you could say that all that noise was disrupting your work, in a jolly manner mind you. |
Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1051
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:25 pm: |
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If I was a high-level project manager. I'd holler if I felt like it. That's why you are the high-level project manager and not the grunt. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3288
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:31 pm: |
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Until you learn how ridiculous that statement is, you will remain a grunt, and not a "high-level project manager." |
Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1054
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:32 pm: |
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You miss the point. You can't do that as a grunt. Won't work. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 9705
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:45 pm: |
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Treating people like grunts isn't going to get them to work harder. It will make them look for other employment. Then you end up with a company of jerks yelling at people who have no self esteem. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3289
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:56 pm: |
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No, you miss the point. If you believe that hollering at someone is a way to get them motivated to do what you want, it is unlikely you will rise to the level where you would have the chance to yell. |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1400
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:56 pm: |
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I CHOOSE NOT TO YELL AT ANYBODY! WHEN I GET UPSET WITH SOMEONE I HANDLE IT IN A PROFESSIONAL MANNER BY TELLING THEM MY EXPECTATIONS AND EXPLAINING HOW THEY •••••• UP |
Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1056
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:00 pm: |
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Oh boy this thread was so much fun |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 426
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:01 pm: |
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Hoops what's with the harsh typing you sounded much nicer on my thread...
And Glock: Wait till you get your first real job and you eill realize how wrong you are. |
Arnomation
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Username: Arnomation
Post Number: 547
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:05 pm: |
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That's ....my stapler.... set.... the building on fire... |
Case
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Username: Case
Post Number: 1731
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:06 pm: |
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Just because you have to wear a name tag doesn't mean it's not a real job. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3291
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:09 pm: |
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But if you have to ask "Do you want fries with that?" you're not going to be a high-powered project manager any time soon. |
Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1057
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:15 pm: |
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You don't know that, Rastro. Many people take cruddy jobs while working on their degrees and/or while finding a job in their chosen career. swish. |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 428
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:33 pm: |
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Oh sorry glock I was under the impression that the SAT's are still an issue for you.swish |
Soparents
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Username: Soparents
Post Number: 672
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:41 pm: |
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Shouting and yelling at an employee/associate/etc is inexcusable. In a lot of cases it is an "I can shouter louder than you" situation used to intimidate, and others it is to cover up the fact that the shouter isn't clever enough to convey their frustration etc with intelligently strung together words...
I don't like it - never did, never will.. |
red
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Username: Redy67
Post Number: 5617
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 4:51 pm: |
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I just want to know if he was wearing enough flare.... |
Virtual It Girl
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Username: Shh
Post Number: 4531
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 5:11 pm: |
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Ugh, my boss at my last full-time job was a yeller. I couldn't stand it, and I'm a yeller! He would just scream at everyone. There were only 3-4 employees, and 2 of them just looked away, I couldn't tolerate it. I don't recall him yelling at me, but one time after hearing him berate my colleague (3 of us shared a large studio space) I turned around and started yelling back at him. I couldn't hold it in any longer. It actually helped. Everyone just stood there with mouths wide open, and I told him he was verbally abusive.
Then I got knocked up and left. |
Soparents
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Username: Soparents
Post Number: 675
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 5:12 pm: |
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Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 437
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 5:26 pm: |
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Hopefully not by that boss cause then you would have conceived a little yeller!!! |
Virtual It Girl
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Username: Shh
Post Number: 4534
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 9:08 pm: |
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Eww, no, but it was a good excuse to get out of there! |
Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1061
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 10:35 pm: |
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DARN RED. DIDN'T YOU GET THE GOSH DARN MEMO ABOUT THE COVERSHEETS ON YOUR TPS REPORTS!? |
Jersey_Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 963
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 11:44 pm: |
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Some people work better if they are afraid of getting yelled at. They don't have an internal drive to do a good job.
Some follow the carrot, others avoid the stick. Some managers identify which type you are and you get what works: carrot or stick.
It's rarely that well thought out though.
J.B. |
Joan
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Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 7541
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 8:03 am: |
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Yelling at subordinates may feel good to the person doing the yelling but it is very counter productive. It is subordinates who feel appreciated and confident in their jobs who will be the most effective/productive. If a manager yells too much (and even once may be too much in many circumstances) subordinates are apt to avoid him/her rather than making the manager aware of job related problems or even messages that have been left for the manager. This can lead to serious job-related problems for the manager. Also, yelling is loud and disturbs everyone within ear shot which can be a lot of people if the person is yelling loud enough.
We don't have a problem of the type Notehead and Duncan are referring to in my office but we do have one person in our office who talks way too loud in normal conversation. A number of us are working on trying to get him to speak more softly. |
Scully
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Username: Scully
Post Number: 573
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 9:14 am: |
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Joan, that could be medical. Is anyone close enough
to him to suggest that get get his hearing checked?
Years ago a co-worker took it down an octive after getting
a hearing aid. |
Joan
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Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 7542
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 9:16 am: |
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Scully: Good idea. We will look into it. Thanks much. |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 442
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 5:47 pm: |
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JB: i truly hope that you are not in a high level position with that attitude. I mean what the ef are you taking about with sticks and carrots. These are coworkers no matter what level and if you hire people that "require" either sticks or carrots to get the job done then you are at fault for hiring the wrong person for the job.
Please disregard this post if your job entails herding mules and donkeys because then your managerial skills would be perfectly approriate
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Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3296
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 4:17 pm: |
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Bajou,
While I disagree with yelling, being a good manager requires understanding what motivates people. For some it requires positive reinforcement, for others, engative. But yelling is neither. |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 598
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 5:46 pm: |
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Notehead-
Just put a number of xanax tablets in the water cooler. That should make the office fairly copasetic.
Rastro- Positive and accepting people skills helps get you into higher management too. Added that because I thought that one might escape you. |
tabby
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Username: Tabby
Post Number: 298
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 6:56 pm: |
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I used to have a nasty co-worker many years ago. She was a bully, but office management did nothing about it because she was very good at her job.
That kind of behavior is unprofessional and should not be allowed. |
red
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Username: Redy67
Post Number: 5665
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 7:42 pm: |
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I had a coworker that was like that as well AND not good at her job. Management did nothing about it because they were too scared.... |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3300
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 10:38 pm: |
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FvF, I can always count on you to not pass up the chance for a snide comment.
Oh wait. I must be mireading you. You're never the one to start with snide comments. it's always someone readin too much into what you post. Oh, and nice change from your orginal - "Rastro- A good personality helps too. Added that because I thought that might escape you." |
Factvsfiction
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Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 604
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 11:36 pm: |
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Rastro:
I believe those are key elements of business and management success that you missed mentioning.
It seems from my business experience, no doubt less than your own, that people who frequently get promoted have good personalities overall. Helps them to deal with both bosses and workers in an amicable and effective way, and prevents them from becoming too negatively focused on others' personalities or perceived shortcomings to the detriment of their own performance and interaction with people.
Successful managers also are positive in their approach and outlook. By an accepting attitude I mean they accept the pluses and minuses of the employees they are given and work to motivate them without regarding or treating them as inferiors, intellectually or otherwise.
I have to say it has been good to see some truly nice people get ahead this way in the business world. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3303
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 11:39 pm: |
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I was not talking about what makes someone successful. And I doubt anyone took my post to be an exhaustive list of attributes of a successful manager or leader.
And what, exactly, does ths mean?
"It seems from my business experience, no doubt less than your own..."? |
ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 2156
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 11:57 pm: |
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My first job out of graduate school was at a small, husband & wife owned company. The husband, the president, was a yeller. And by yeller, I mean cursing, slamming phones, humiliating, and trying to drive people (me) to tears. He would embarrass employees in front of one another and in front of clients. Eventually, I had to use a subversive yet effective technique to get myself fired.
Years later, I interviewed at another firm in the same general industry. When my interviewer saw that company on my resume, he asked if that were "TV"'s company, and when I said yes, it was, the interviewer said, "I heard he's a psychopath."
So...it wasn't just me. That doesn't make it right, or tolerable. It was an incredibly difficult place to work. Just because someone CAN yell does not give them the right to do so. |
Jersey_Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 975
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 3:48 am: |
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Bajou,
Regarding: sticks, carrots, mules, donkeys and employees. It is a common METAPHOR about motivation.
See Winston Churchill's use of it regarding foreign relations:
http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/thus-be_every_device_from_the_stick_to_the_ca rrot/174830.html
I thought everyone knew that, sorry. I speak, actually, from observation. My personal managerial style is of the positive reinforcement type. But it has limits; I've seen the same employees much more attentive to a coworker who is "harder to please" to put it nicely.
J.B. |
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