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Glock 17
Citizen Username: Glock17
Post Number: 984 Registered: 7-2005

| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 7:52 pm: |
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I didn't choose to avoid the whole issue. I chose to avoid people like you who obviously don't (and don't want to.) understand the situation. |
   
Case
Citizen Username: Case
Post Number: 1657 Registered: 2-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 8:36 pm: |
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Hmmm... what part didn't I understand? You're a whiny teenager who blames all the problems of the world on white society. Perhaps I am misquoting you, but you'll find your exact words up above. Of course... you COULD explain 'the situation', but I'm sure you're too busy. Right? It's not that you can't justify your comments - you just don't want to do so. |
   
Factvsfiction
Citizen Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 557 Registered: 4-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 8:58 pm: |
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Glock- Please excuse Case. As an adult poster, and in IMHO, he seems to be working out his personal issues online. Whether I agree or disagree with your comments, the concept of free speech says you have the right to make them. Otherwise we should all live in Iraq or China. |
   
Case
Citizen Username: Case
Post Number: 1658 Registered: 2-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:04 pm: |
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Fact, Given the high number of "anti Fact" posts lately, perhaps you should be excusing yourself... but of course, you won't. It's much easier to look elsewhere, isn't it? Perhaps you could revise one of your previous quotes: "You really don't like me - you REALLY don't like me!".
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Glock 17
Citizen Username: Glock17
Post Number: 985 Registered: 7-2005

| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:08 pm: |
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I know, Fact. He followed me all the way to this thread. The though of the shrine dedicated to me that most likely resides on his desk, sends shivers down my spine. *shudder* |
   
Factvsfiction
Citizen Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 559 Registered: 4-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:22 pm: |
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Case- I have pointed out the chip on your shoulder before and IMHO, your obsessive need to control what other people say on a thread you have an interest in. You seem to have an authoritative personality, but won't answer me as to whether you are a police officer or not. Lest I be misunderstood, I have a number of friends in different levels of law enforcement, and respect the job and its difficulties. Most people who have lived a bit understand the need to live and let live. Without any sarcasm intended, I think you need to revisit that. |
   
Case
Citizen Username: Case
Post Number: 1659 Registered: 2-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:24 pm: |
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Awww.... it's so cute that you two found each other. Kindred spirits, huh? Hey Glock, where's your solution to the problems with Black America? Are you done with it, or has your Xbox gotten in the way of finishing the answer? Perhaps you suspended work on the answer in favor of practicing your quick draw in front of the mirror! Not that you're avoiding anything... it only looks like you're pulling a bitch move, in reality you're "taking the high road".
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Case
Citizen Username: Case
Post Number: 1660 Registered: 2-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:31 pm: |
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Fact, I'm sorry, I didn't see the post where you asked me if I was a police officer. I'm not sure how I could have missed it - you post so infrequently I would have thought the question would stand out. No, I am not a police officer. I have, however, spent 1 year as an instructor for a women's self defense class. This was done as part of a training requirement at a karate school; black belt candidates were 'volunteered' for a variety of classes, and those were some of the ones I covered. While that experience may not be as impressive as having 'friends in different levels of law enforcement', it does give me a certain real-world experience with the topics originally under discussion. Regarding your earlier post about my being "a wannabe"... I haven't noticed that, frankly. Perhaps when I start talking about my friends who are cops, or when I speculate on how local watch commanders should deploy marked police cars, I will revisit that theory. For now, though, I'm going to have to say 'not even close'. It's just SUPER that you respect the job of a police officer. I could wish that you had a little more respect for the victim of the incident described in this thread, but... you don't need to hear that from me: many others have already criticized you for your words - unless, of course, you hadn't noticed?
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Duncan
Supporter Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6379 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 9:45 pm: |
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FVF the fact that you had to call some friends in the department implies you didn't believe the original post. No other way to read that, given your history. And Glock. Learn that when you f*&k up and saying something and it is brought back to you in another post, the best thing is to say, Yup I said that. Own it or deny it, but don't avoid it or you do look like a pissy little kid. And you don't want that rep right? |
   
Factvsfiction
Citizen Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 563 Registered: 4-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:05 pm: |
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Duncan- If you actually read my earlier posts you would be able to put it in context. Basically I questioned what happened because employees in the area appeared to know nothing about it. This is the type of thing people become aware of quite quickly given the seriousness of the alleged crime. When you refer to "given your history" however you pretty much reveal yourself as one of the type of posters I referred to above. Not interested in what was actually written, but wanting to attack for previous posts you didn't like. Case- I will withhold my personal opinions,and not respond with a smarmy and arrogant reply similiar to your own. The only thing I would again suggest is that you consider my earlier post about "live and let live". |
   
weekends
Citizen Username: Weekends
Post Number: 107 Registered: 1-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:10 pm: |
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This thread could be used as a case study in how quickly and how far an on-line discussion can devolve. |
   
Case
Citizen Username: Case
Post Number: 1664 Registered: 2-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:11 pm: |
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In other words, fact, everyone who criticized you on this thread was wrong: they weren't seeing the big picture. I guess we all failed to 'put your posts in context', hmmm? YOU were right, but everyone else (and there were more than a few besides myself!) were the ones who were wrong. To be honest, Fact, you were more interesting when you were nothing more than a political sqhill... though I have to admit, you DID seem to have the brains to shut your mouth when this thread conclusively turned against you. So... congratulations? |
   
Factvsfiction
Citizen Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 564 Registered: 4-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:15 pm: |
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Case- I have to say I am glad you are not in law enforcement,since you'r pretty infantile. When I see an intelligent post from you I will think differently. |
   
Case
Citizen Username: Case
Post Number: 1665 Registered: 2-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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I guess this one didn't qualify, since you didn't even comment on it: I could wish that you had a little more respect for the victim of the incident described in this thread, but... you don't need to hear that from me: many others have already criticized you for your words - unless, of course, you hadn't noticed? Or perhaps you really DO think that everyone just 'misunderstood your posts'? That you weren't wrong at all? |
   
Aquaman
Supporter Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 913 Registered: 8-2001

| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:21 pm: |
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Most ironic Post/Poppyhead of the year award goes to factsvsfiction: "I try to make my posts, such as they are, generally short and humorous" Haw. Put a fork in it folks, this thread is done. |
   
Factvsfiction
Citizen Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 566 Registered: 4-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:41 pm: |
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Aquaman- Are you having your candidates patrol the lot in an attempt to garner some votes as the "law and order" people in the race? I think your time would be better spent putting up lawn signs for them. The last time I drove through Maplewood they had very few if any up. Your opponents many more. A "sign" of things to come? |
   
Factvsfiction
Citizen Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 567 Registered: 4-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:46 pm: |
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Case- If you want to create things I didn't say about the person this incident happened to, it just speaks to your childishness. I refuse to entertain anything you say anymore until there is some intellect and reasoning applied to it. Sorry bud. |
   
Case
Citizen Username: Case
Post Number: 1666 Registered: 2-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:57 pm: |
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Wow.... So you're so delusional that you won't even admit that multiple people on this thread have criticized you for your comments? I'm tempted to do some cut-and-pasting, but why? Just scroll up! There's no need for me to 'create' anything... it's all right there: your ridiculous posts, and the overwhelmingly negative responses. I have to say that I'd like to take credit for the final bitch-slap here, but that honor has to go to Duncan. Then again... since you seem to be trapped in the land of Cleopatra.... I notice that you've reached out for some support on this thread. Great job - but when the best you can do for an ally is Glock, you've really got to consider that you've reached rock bottom. Anyone else want to support Fact here?
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Rastro
Citizen Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3227 Registered: 5-2004

| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 11:01 pm: |
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ROFLMAO!
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Wendy
Supporter Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2502 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 11:47 pm: |
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Rastro, we all know you're Case's alter ego. Why else would you find Case's last comments so funny. Your own comments clearly don't matter as don't Duncan's or the myriad others who have pointed out the disrespect and insensitivity - particularly towards the victim - of FvF's and Glock's posts. Now go get a life Rastro/Case.  |
   
mjh
Supporter Username: Mjh
Post Number: 553 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 7:36 am: |
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Naricissists don’t understand when they are being satirized. It’s a part of their cognitive defect. Sadly, there is no cure.
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Duncan
Supporter Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6380 Registered: 12-2001

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 7:39 am: |
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why doesn't my post matter? As I see it, someone posts that there was an attempted carjacking in a lot. The victim confirms this. And because someone with a reputation for being incendiary and genreally condescending has to check with law enforcement because his friends that work in the area aren't about to jump on the gossip bandwagon. Perhaps the police asked folks there not to speak about it until more info was gathered. But no matter how it went down, FVF implied by it's post that he had to call law enforcement that he didn't believe the account of the victim. I then posted something to that regard, so how does that make my post not matter? And why is pointing out someones utter insensitivity toward another person in this town wrong or invalid? At one point either FVF or Glock (I'm not gonna scroll back) basically said that 6 got what she deserved. Following that logic we return to the old saw that if a woman is wearing a miniskirt and in a bar she deserves to be raped. Right? Wendy, please clear this up for me, I would like to know why my post and the posts of so many others dont matter? I'm out most of the day but will check back so I can understand. And so I can figure out how implying the actual victim of a crime a liar does matter. And I will repeat... Own your posts. If FVF can't understand how it's post regarding having to call law enforcement because of the friends he has doesnt smack of disrespect then well...you are defending the indefensible. |
   
mjh
Supporter Username: Mjh
Post Number: 556 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 7:55 am: |
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Duncan, I took Wendy's post as sarcasm. |
   
Case
Citizen Username: Case
Post Number: 1667 Registered: 2-2005
| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 8:14 am: |
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Hmmm. I actually DID exchange email with Rastro earlier yesterday, but I can't prove that I'm not him - though it DOES present an interesting challenge in logic. I'm not sure if Dave would agree to this, but as far as I'm concerned I'd be fine with Dave stating that Case and Rastro are, in fact, two separate people. (You might want to leave out my actual IP address, Dave, but do whatever you think is best). Well - to be fair - Dave could assert that our posts are always from seperate IP addresses, not that Rastro and I are two different individuals. I suppose I could have multiple network connections in the house and post Case from my DSL and Rastro from my cable modem. (Actually, that might work. Hmmmm. I hope I haven't given anyone an idea.) At any rate, there ARE two of us, Wendy. I promise! And I bet he and I would disagree on a wide variety of topics if we were ever to meet. And Duncan - I cannot imagine how anyone could disregard your post (the short one regarding fact having to call the police). I agree with the previous poster; I suspect when she says that your post doesn't matter she's referring to the "don't argue with a brick wall" rule. As in, "Duncan, don't waste your time - those two will never pull their heads out of their asses". But hopefully Wendy will confirm that. And if she doesn't I'll send my evil minion Rastro to her house. (Now THAT was kidding!).
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Nancy - LibraryLady
Supporter Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3482 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 8:56 am: |
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There is a small article in today's S-L about the attempted car-jacking and asking for any information witnesses may have. |
   
Wendy
Supporter Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2503 Registered: 5-2001
| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 9:55 am: |
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Oy vey. I was channeling FvF with a soupcon of Glock thrown in - satire, etc. Duncan your post was relevant and right-on. Case, channeling means pretending to post like someone else. Didn't I sound like the person or persons I was attempting to be? If not, back to the drawing board for me. Maybe I should have vetted this in front of witnesses first, preferably employees of MOL, who should have noticed my failed attempt at sarcasm. |
   
Aquaman
Supporter Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 914 Registered: 8-2001

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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This was, as reported in the paper, an attempted abduction. Not a car-jacking. Perp could have taken the car, but didn't. Perp didn't want the car. Perp wanted the woman. That is a much much more serious attempted crime. There's really no excuse for people trying to be "funny" or witty on this thread. Let's drop the jabs about lawn signs and screen-name outing, OK?
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Case
Citizen Username: Case
Post Number: 1672 Registered: 2-2005
| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 11:32 am: |
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Wendy, You absolutely sounded like you were kidding. I was concerned that people would think I was really Rastro, though. I only have a few accounts on MOL that I post under: case, monster, Tom Reingold... but NOT Rastro. Just to get this out there: the person involved with the incident is doing great, we've exchanged a few emails and it sounds like she's got everything under control. It IS a good lesson for all of us, and fortunately it had a happy conclusion. |
   
Rastro
Citizen Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3228 Registered: 5-2004

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 11:45 am: |
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What a minute. I'm Tom Reingold. |
   
Glock 17
Citizen Username: Glock17
Post Number: 987 Registered: 7-2005

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 12:25 pm: |
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Duncan you miss the point that 6 said this herself as well. OH mY BUT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO POST THAT, DID YOU? Women should take it as a safety lesson. Don't walk on dark streets at night by yourself. Don't leave your doors unlocked, etc. etc etc. That's all. I'm not justifying the attack on the victim nor am I being disrespectful/insensitive. This is the real world. Bad stuff happens to good people all the time. The trick is to take it, and use it as an example so that it won't happent to them or others again. |
   
breal
Citizen Username: Breal
Post Number: 900 Registered: 6-2002
| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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Glock, the victim did nothing wrong. She was just EWBF, existing while being female. Yet you seem intent on finding fault . . . with HER. I hope you are never a victim of a crime, and if you are, that some moron doesn't suggest that you had it coming. |
   
Rastro
Citizen Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3232 Registered: 5-2004

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 1:05 pm: |
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Glock, the first mention of "Puerto Rican" in this thread was by you. Not by 6. |
   
Case
Citizen Username: Case
Post Number: 1674 Registered: 2-2005
| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 2:05 pm: |
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I'm disgusted - you're all obviously picking on Glock because he's black and you want to keep him down. Damn you all! I, on the other hand, pick on Glock because he says stupid things and has a wannabe gangster username. Therefore I am morally superior to all of you. Although I have to admit Glock's last post is a big departure from his earlier nonsense. I guess it's true: "It Takes a Village" to raise our children. |
   
Glock 17
Citizen Username: Glock17
Post Number: 988 Registered: 7-2005

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |
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What does my username have to do with being a gangster? |
   
Mayor McCheese
Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1538 Registered: 7-2004

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 2:21 pm: |
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He's a gamer not a gangster. The word glock probably comes from some video game that warped his fragile unstable mind as a young child. |
   
Glock 17
Citizen Username: Glock17
Post Number: 992 Registered: 7-2005

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 2:49 pm: |
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I love how you all think you have a clue what I am. None of you know me. And Case, at 18 I'ma legal adult...not a child. |
   
Rastro
Citizen Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3233 Registered: 5-2004

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 2:57 pm: |
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Glock, no comment about the fact that YOU were the first person to post that the perp was a Puerto Rican, not 6? No one is saying you are legally a child. You simply act like one. |
   
Factvsfiction
Citizen Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 572 Registered: 4-2006
| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 3:14 pm: |
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In reading the posts that followed my last, it is clear that people proceed to read posts influenced by their like or dislike of the original poster, add their own claims about what was written by that poster as being fact, and/or add their interpretations of what was written as being the intention of the original poster. Basically signs of poor reading and intellectual sloppiness. And perhaps, malicious intent, as in the event one doesn't like a particular poster they want the whole group to feel the same way (?) Duncan is a prime offender on sloppiness. He notes his dislike for me early in his post, probably due to the fact he didn't like my politics in another thread or two, and does not note my response to Rastro back in the thread that I missed the post of the person involved in this incident when I originally asked if something had in fact happened. The thread was started by someone other than the victim if you all might recall. (Duncan, would you please tell me WHERE I specifically stated I was calling friends in the police department of MSH or perhaps Maplewood?-I didn't post that, apparently that is what you wanted to INFER). Once again, in simple english for the slow and the deliberate misleaders among you, my posts were predicated on the lack of knowledge of the employees of the incident and what appeared to be the police response. For those few knuckleheads among you, where do I directly state, and as my opinion, that the poor woman lied in a police report? In actuality I am kind of outraged about this incident, given what I think should have been done,(notification, passing out flyers to customers). One of the interesting things I have noticed from posting here is that some posters look upon the free speech comments of others as some sort of direct challenge to their manhood or sense of self. People, this is the internet. So far I have regretfully found one poster,IMHO, always needs a pacifier, and another IMHO, always needs to be right, even going so far as to find an online dictionary at fault when his wrong claims about the ethnic background of a particular nation were pointed out to him. I am sure they disagree of course. That is one of the functions of a chat room or forum. To the rest of you on MOL I apologize that my detractors had to hijack this thread to make it more about me than the subject. I will not respond further and help them clutter it up even more. |
   
CFA
Citizen Username: Cfa
Post Number: 1646 Registered: 5-2001

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 3:24 pm: |
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Maybe his name is Glock because he likes guns. Check out www.glock.com |
   
Mayor McCheese
Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1541 Registered: 7-2004

| Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 3:27 pm: |
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I believe it was established that he does not like guns. |