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newone
Citizen
Username: Newone
Post Number: 398
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 4:14 pm: | 
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Greentree - 
Good one! |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 3018
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 4:32 pm: |
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Newone - Yeah, but a land line they 'll send the cops right to your house, lets say if you just have time to dial. |
newone
Citizen
Username: Newone
Post Number: 399
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 5:00 pm: |
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I understand you themp, I meant if the lines were cut prior to entering the home - I don't know if that would register at the PD and send them out. |
Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1992
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 5:05 pm: |
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I used to work for a total gun nut, he demanded that all of his employees (all two of us) learn how to fire and clean a weapon.
A day at the firing range was interesting. I was surprised at the really powerful "kick" that comes from a relatively small weapon like a .22. When I fired a .45 I was knocked completely off-balance and my arms were thrown back with enough force that I was not in control of the weapon for several seconds.
I came away with mixed feelings - on one hand, shooting a weapon with that much power was exciting, I didn't like it exactly, but it was...something - powerful is the best word, but there's more to it.
On the other hand, the whole experience rattled me and wiped away any ideas I had that shooting a gun is simple. It's not just about pointing and pulling the trigger - it took me a long time just to pull slowly without jerking the muzzle into the air. Even at close range I rarely hit the target.
I never felt safe with all the guns around my bosses' house either. He was a fashion photographer and we did a lot of 3-day shoots at his country house - one day one of the models surprised me in the garden with a .45 aimed at me -
"Freeze!" (I almost fainted) "Ha ha! It's not loaded!"
Yuks all around for sure. I went back to waitressing after that one. |
newone
Citizen
Username: Newone
Post Number: 400
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 5:26 pm: |
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Lydia - I would have beat the crap out of that model!!!  Broke the cardinal rule of gun use - never point at anything you don't intend to shoot. Your old boss sounds like a jerk also for allowing that to happen. From what you said about the range and about your boss - I'm sure he did not show you how to correctly hold and fire a weapon. There is virtually no recoil at all from a .22 and .45s are quite stable to handle (a female friend of mine was punching good groups on a target the first time shooting my .45). |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14760
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 5:47 pm: |
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Lydia would have been justified in shooting the model dead.
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Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1996
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 7:52 pm: |
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Tom -
lol!
But I was un-armed and after the shooting range debacle I doubt I could have hit her (no desire to, I just wanted to leave in one piece) Plus once I tattled to my boss she did get a lecture on gun manners.
It did freak me out enough to leave "the boss" and his crazy gun-totin' ways. |
Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1130
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 8:51 pm: |
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I have some friends who went to a place in Vegas where people can shoot machine guns. One of the women who did it started crying. It was too powerful and deadly, for her, not fun.
The people who worked there said that her reaction was very common.
Shooting clay pidgeons could be fun, but seriously owning a gun and making a hobby of being capable of shooting and killing people no matter what the reason, is not really a fun way to spend your free time. It's morose.
J.B. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1151
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:30 pm: |
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Hey, I'm of draft age. What better time to get a headstart on learning how to handle firearms then now? |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3391
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 11:00 pm: |
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If you're going to buy a gun, buy a nail gun. That way you can use it to build stuff around your house when you're not pointing it at intruders.
And Glock, you're of Draft Registration age. We don't have a draft in this country. |
Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1141
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 11:03 pm: |
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Glock,
I think you mean, "what better time than now."
Stay in school.
J.B. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1154
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 11:07 pm: |
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Yeah then than...sorry school's out for the summer.
Rastro...there is no draft now...but tomorrow...the day after that...who knows!!?!
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Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1143
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 11:23 pm: |
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Glock,
It would be "'then' then." If you're accepting my correction. Or you mean, "then/than school's out for summer." If you're disregarding it.
There's a reason to learn this stuff. You posts don't convey your opinions clearly if you don't know how to write properly.
You have opinions. Do them the justice of being well written. Some can say, "I didn't have a proper education," in the past tense. Yours is the present tense; pay attention in school.
MOL is watching.
J.B. |
Phenixrising
Citizen
Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1734
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 8:06 am: |
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the presence of a gun in a household is a serious addition. All possible dangers should be identified and contemplated before buying a firearm.
DITTO!
Years ago, my younger sister was interning at a trauma Hospital in NYC, she recieved a 3 year old patient that was shot in the head by a gun another cousin that had found in the home. It was an illegal gun. She described how this child was the most precious and cute little boy she's ever seen. The boy was declared brain dead and beyond help. Even though my sister had work on various trauma patients, this one really bothered her.
This incident happened 2 days before Christmas.
Legal or illegal, you better think TWICE before buying a gun in your home.
N.Y. Boy Shoots Himself With Father's Police Gun
Monday, May 01, 2006
MASSAPEQUA, N.Y. — The 10-year-old son of a New York City policeman shot himself in the head while playing with a gun and was hospitalized and on life-support Monday, authorities said.
Tyler Dunne's mother and 8-year-old sister were home with him when he got hold of the .38-caliber gun, hidden in a basement closet, around 6:15 p.m. Sunday, according to Lt. Dennis Farrell, commander of the Nassau County Homicide Squad. Nassau County is east of New York City on Long Island.
The boy had used a stepladder to reach a top shelf in the closet, apparently looking for a ball his mother had taken away from him earlier in the day, when he happened upon the loaded gun, Farrell said. He and his sister were playing with the gun when it accidentally fired.
Their mother heard the shot, ran to the basement, discovered her wounded son and called the emergency dispatcher. Tyler was listed in critical condition, according to Shelley Lotenberg, spokeswoman for the Nassau University Medical Center in East Meadow.
The boy's father, Joseph Dunne, 38, a 14-year veteran of the New York Police Department, was at work when the accident occurred.
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This kid eventually died later.
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1157
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 8:35 am: |
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The first gun was illegally owned and probably unlocked. The other gun was unlocked in a basement closet.
Guns don't kill people. People being stupid gets themselves (or others) killed |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14764
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 8:37 am: |
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So if I understand you, you can be PERFECTLY safe. All you have to do is follow procedure PERFECTLY and NEVER make a mistake. Is that right?
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1159
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 8:43 am: |
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Well lets see...both of those deaths could have easily been avoided. Don't keep your gun unlocked would be death number one (in addition to not having illegal guns). And don't leave guns unlocked would be death number two.
Also teaching kids to be afraid if/when they find a gun, and to report it to an adult immediately is generally good too. |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14766
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 8:46 am: |
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All people make mistakes, even you and I. Owning a gun means a mistake is more likely to be deadly than not owning a gun.
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1160
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 8:50 am: |
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In 2003 (the most recent year for which data is available), there were 30,136 gun deaths in the U.S:
16,907 suicides (56% of all U.S gun deaths),
11,920 homicides (40% of all U.S gun deaths),
730 unintentional shootings (2% of all U.S gun deaths),
347 from legal intervention and 232 from undetermined intent (2% of all U.S gun deaths combined).
In 2004,
42,636 people died in car crashes in the U.S.
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Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14767
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 8:53 am: |
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I'm not sure it makes sense to compare deaths from guns with deaths from car crashes. We use guns and cars for different reasons.
Now, if we compared choking deaths from broccoli with choking deaths from beef, it might be interesting.
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Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 14768
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 8:56 am: |
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And vehicle deaths are usually reported in passenger-miles. How many deaths occur for each person travelling 1000 miles? That kind of thing. So what's the equivalent of a passenger mile with a gun? And if you're implying guns are safer than cars, can I just ditch my car and ride my gun instead?
I'm not totally anti-gun. I just think you're not advocating for guns well.
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1162
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 9:00 am: |
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I'm drifting. Parents wouldn't give their teens a guns, right? So why do parents give their kids V8's or luxury sportscars (ugh CHS student parking lot...drive by it during the school year)? Beats me. Seems just as dangerous as giving the kid a rifle. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1163
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 9:05 am: |
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Oh and to the "unintentional injuries amongst children" statistic...
Firearms are involved in 0.65% of accidental deaths nationally, and in 1% among children. Most accidental deaths involve, or are due to, motor vehicles (40%), poisoning (17%), falls (15%), suffocation (5%), drowning (3%), fires (3%), medical mistakes (2%), environmental factors (1%), and bicycles and tricycles (1%). Among children: motor vehicles (45%), suffocation (16%), drowning (15%), fires (9%), bicycles and tricycles (2%), poisoning (2%), falls (2%), environmental factors (2%), and medical mistakes (1%). |
Lizziecat
Citizen
Username: Lizziecat
Post Number: 1285
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 9:45 am: |
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So, Glock, if your parents give you a car, you're going to turn it down, right? |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1165
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 9:51 am: |
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The things that I have problems with first time drivers having are SUV's and Sportscars. |
dOd
Citizen
Username: Dod
Post Number: 100
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 11:23 am: |
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Home security...
Locks that work and are used. Most thieves get in because the windows and doors are unlocked.
Security lights around the perimeter of your home.
Get a large dog from working lines and have it properly trained. Most people have and inherent fear of dog bites and will leave for homes without dogs.
dOd
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K_soze
Citizen
Username: K_soze
Post Number: 443
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 12:00 pm: |
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Getting a dog for the sole purpose of home security is just as stupid as getting a gun for the same. |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 3023
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 1:24 pm: |
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"Guns don't kill people. People being stupid gets themselves (or others) killed"
Apply that argument to lawn darts. Should the ban be repealed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawn_darts |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1173
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 1:29 pm: |
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Yeah. |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3394
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 1:32 pm: |
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They should not be banned, but you should need to register them (lawn darts). |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1174
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 1:33 pm: |
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Well why is it that there are no background checks when buying a car? |
dOd
Citizen
Username: Dod
Post Number: 101
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 1:33 pm: |
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K_soze,
how so?
dOd |
Cougar86
Citizen
Username: Cougar86
Post Number: 5
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 1:50 pm: |
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Is there a backround check before purchasing Lawn Darts? |
Ligeti Man Meat
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 697
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |
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I bet 99% of burglars will leave if a dog starts barking aggressively. There are too many houses without dogs to target.
I'm in the process of compiling stats, but my hunch is that the combination of a well-lighted house, locked windows/doors, a good watch dog and alarm are each far more likely to predict a safe outcome than a gun. |
dOd
Citizen
Username: Dod
Post Number: 102
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 2:15 pm: |
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And so far, no one has been able to pull a dog from my hands and point it at me.
Just don't tell your insurance company you have a protection trained dog.
dOd |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1175
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 2:52 pm: |
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If masked bandits are looking for a place to hide..and they have broken into your house..they'd probably just shoot the dog and keep going. |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 3024
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 3:53 pm: |
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Guns are uniquely useful in the commission of crime - more so than cars. That's why we treat them differently. Isn't it amazing what making distinctions between things does to slippery slope arguments? it ruins them. |
dOd
Citizen
Username: Dod
Post Number: 103
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 3:59 pm: |
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So they're bandits on the lam?
With masks?
And they've broken into the house without rousing the dog?
And now faced with the charging animal would shoot the dog (that won't raise the local neighbourhood watch) and continue on to hide in my basement?
Is that the scenario?
I would have thrown in "high on PCP" for colour.
It is very difficult to shoot a moving object. But I'll give these masked marauders the benefit of the doubt and assume they're ex snipers. In the time it takes them to assess the situation, aim and fire and kill my dog, I'm gone.
The dog has done its job.
dOd |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3397
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 4:33 pm: |
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Who made a "slippery slope" argument? |
themp
Supporter
Username: Themp
Post Number: 3026
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 5:14 pm: |
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"why don't we make people pass a background checks to buy cars if background checks are so great" is sort of a slippery slope argument.
I saw Stossel on TV the other day "If the minimum wage is good, why not make it $25?"
That's like saying "If penicilin (sp?) works, why not quadruple the dosage?"
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Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1179
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 5:31 pm: |
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"Well why is it that there are no background checks when buying a car?"
Is a lot different from "why don't we make people pass a background checks to buy cars if background checks are so great".
I was asking a legit question.
You could have at least have waited until this section of posts had archived to purposely misquote me. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11883
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 5:35 pm: |
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Actually you have to have a license to drive a car and I am not sure you don't have to have one to buy. |
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