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Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1775
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:46 am: | 
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We all know what took place on 9/11. On 3/11 (2004), the Madrid train bombing and now today July 11, (7/11) a train bombing in Mumbai, India killing 135.
100 feared dead in train blasts
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kevin
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Username: Kevin
Post Number: 789
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 1:29 pm: |
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You can get a free slurpee today if you stop by any 7-11.
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Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1639
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 1:30 pm: |
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The death toll is now at 130. horrible. |
Chris Prenovost
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Username: Chris_prenovost
Post Number: 990
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 1:51 pm: |
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There is no defence against terrorism. |
kevin
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Username: Kevin
Post Number: 791
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 4:01 pm: |
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Phenix - I was going to suggest that you take 12 days off per year, but remembered that the London bombings were on 7/5.
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Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10078
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 4:02 pm: |
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And India's last large scale train terror bombing was on 3/12. |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4469
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 4:15 pm: |
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"There is no defence against terrorism."
Actually, there is. See Rome's treatment of Carthage a few years back. Of course, much of what Rome did back in the day would land them in the dock at The Hague International Tribunal nowadays. However, if push comes to shove, I am sure the Geneva Convention won't prevent the application of effective counter-terrorism solutions. |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1000
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 4:17 pm: |
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Now it's 145 and there was a train accident in Bangladesh that killed 33. What a horrifying day for India. |
Slim Jim
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Username: Arrakis
Post Number: 26
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 5:11 pm: |
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Monday, their proposed nuclear warhead missle test failed and now this. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3547
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 6:00 pm: |
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Tjohn, I wouldn't call that a defense, though. It's more retaliatory - after the fact. It prevents the next attack from that group, but not he next group. There is a visceral satisfaction in annihilating one's opponent. But is it the right thing to do?
G-d destroyed all of Sodom and Gomorrah because they were not good people according to the morals of the time. Should we do the same? |
tjohn
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Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 4470
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 6:12 pm: |
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Rastro,
It depends on the level of violence. If N. Korea struck one of our cities with a nuclear weapon, I would think it appropriate to make a good faith effort to eliminate all life in N. Korea.
On the other hand, a more measured approach seems appropriate for the less severe terrorist activities we are dealing with on a daily basis. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3548
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 7:54 pm: |
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I agree. It is a shame that all those innocents would have to die to prove a point. But I accept that it would be necessary.
But it would not stop terrorism. Just those particular terrorist.
I agree with Chris that terrorism cannot be prevented. But it can be reduced by "application of appropriate force." |
Mustt_mustt
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Username: Mustt_mustt
Post Number: 594
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:01 pm: |
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Indian intelligence sources believe that the bomb blasts were the brainchild of a Kashmiri militant outfit called Lashkar-E-Toyeba and the Student Islamic Movement of India which has become radicalized over the years. Mumbai was chosen for the same reason NY was - it's the financial capital of India. 170 people perished in the blasts today as they were returning home from work and the toll is likely to climb. The seven blasts took place on the Western line in the city which carries the more affluent to their homes in the suburban parts of Mumbai. It was absolutely amazing to see citizens taking over the rescue efforts immediately after the blasts even as the cops and other officials were trying to comprehend the enormity of the event.
India and Pak (which hosts the LET) have been having regular peace talks and I suspect the Mumbai incident will set things back a bit. |
Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1777
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 8:33 am: |
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Mustt-mustt
Bingo! Thats the connection (9/11, 3/11, & 7/11), to hurt all 3 financially.
“The attacks also reawakened fears of terrorism amongst investors with most European stock markets falling between two and three percent on 11 March. Stocks dropped in London and in New York, with the U.S. Dow Jones Industrial Average diving after speculation of involvement by al-Qaeda. Airline and tourism related stocks were particularly affected by sharp declines in share prices. In Tokyo, stocks opened sharply lower the next day.”
This is India’s fear today. I’m sure investors are bracing themselves for the worst. We saw what happened to our economy after the 9/11 attacks. |
Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1778
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 8:36 am: |
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And India's last large scale train terror bombing was on 3/12.
Dave,
One of the worst attacks was in March 1993, when more than 250 people were killed after at least 13 bombs were detonated around Mumbai in a day that became known as "Black Friday," well before 9/11 or the 11 connection.
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Mustt_mustt
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Username: Mustt_mustt
Post Number: 595
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 8:56 am: |
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Phenix,
The 1993 blasts were in response to the demolition of the Babri Masjid (a mosque built by the first Mughal King Babar) by Hindu nationalists.
Interestingly, all the suspected terrorist outfits have condemned yesterday's blasts and again, my theory is that they are doing it at the behest of the Pakistani govt which does not want to hurt its already sinking reputation with regard to fighting terrorists and have the composite dialogue on Kashmir being put in jeopardy. The next few days will prove to be crucial as the Indian cops sift through the evidence. Btw, despite the blasts, the Indian stock market did reasonably well today.
The latest toll is 190 dead. |
Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1779
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 9:29 am: |
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Btw, despite the blasts, the Indian stock market did reasonably well today.
Thats good news! And yes, It will be interesting to see who's going to take responsibility for this. |
Mustt_mustt
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Username: Mustt_mustt
Post Number: 596
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 12:03 pm: |
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Phenix,
I posted an interesting and very revealing article on how Afghanistan has become the turf for Pak and India to fight a proxy war and how the US has "warned" Pak to stop supporting the Taliban there. I am surprised that none reacted to the piece but I guess it's too far too removed from our own domestic political realities here in the US. The attacks in Bombay had the classic signature of Al Qaeda and here again is my theory: The Al Qaeda which depends on the ISI (Inter Service Intelligence Services of Pak) has linked up with local Kashmiri outfits to carry out these blasts. That said, most Indians do not recognize the fact that Kashmir is a political problem and that it needs to resolved with the intervention of the US and not on a bilateral basis between India and Pak. At this point Pak does not want to jeopardize the same of 34 F-16s, hence its immediate condemnation of the incident which took place yesterday. I am speculating that the Pak govt has deliberately distanced itself from the State's intelligence apparatus. I could be wrong but then at this point I can only theorize. |
Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1781
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 2:24 pm: |
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The attacks in Bombay had the classic signature of Al Qaeda and here again is my theory: The Al Qaeda which depends on the ISI (Inter Service Intelligence Services of Pak) has linked up with local Kashmiri outfits to carry out these blasts.
Mustt,
I have no doubt that perhap Al Qaeda had a hand in this. Here’s another theory from a former senior intelligence official .
“One former senior intelligence official, Ajit Doval, said the blasts were too sophisticated for the Kashmiri groups to have carried out on their own.
"This is the work of groups which are targeting India as a whole and are not Kashmir specific and are pursuing the larger jihadi agenda," said Doval, who maintains strong contacts in the intelligence community. "They are targeting countries and societies, particularly democratic ones, which they consider to be the antithesis of their version of Islam."
By Associated Press
July 12, 2006 |
Lucy Smith
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Username: Lucy123
Post Number: 227
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 2:35 pm: |
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They are now saying that 3 of the timers were hidden in pencils...does that mean soon we won't be able to bring pencils on airplanes? |
Phenixrising
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Username: Phenixrising
Post Number: 1782
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 3:18 pm: |
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Lucy,
It shows the sophistication of technology. Its pencils now, a lipstick case, hair barret all could trigger a bomb. Who knows? Scary.
Mustt,
Adding to your theory. I read this after you posted. Wow.
"Analysts say that these similarities, as well as the sophistication of the Mumbai attack, suggests ties to international Islamic terror groups, perhaps working through a local militant outfit.
"[The attack was] well planned, orchestrated, simultaneous [and was] designed to inflict maximum loss of life. It's probably the handiwork of a well-equipped, well-funded, terrorist group that hews to the Al Qaeda school of thought," says Sajjan Gohel. "In the region, only Lashkar-e-Tayyaba has such capabilities."
Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT), one of more than a dozen Islamic rebel groups fighting Indian security forces in Kashmir since 1989, has been blamed by police for a number of past attacks on Indian soil, including a set of bombings in Bombay in 2003 that left 44 dead. In past years, police have uncovered a cell tied to LeT in the Bombay suburb of Thane. The group is the most sophisticated of the militant outfits fighting to wrest Kashmir from India, and it is accused of having ties to Pakistan as well as funding from outside.
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