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Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1108
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 5:32 pm: | 
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Walking the acquired dog the other day. He seems to be smelling a big wet patch,what I think is from our big rain storm, I walk a little further and see a fresh teeny-itty-bitty green sign blending into the lawn, placed at the most obscure part of the property saying " pesticide treated beware" or some crap.
I know that #$#% can cause cancer in animals, and I am REALLY pissed at the idiots, for not posting a LARGER sign so I know NOT to walk my dog there.
Later about 6pm I drive bye and I see their kids are playing on the lawn! In BAREFEET !
Another observation, we have a medical doctor in the vicinity who is CONSTANTLY treating the lawn, like every 2 weeks with chemical garbage. What is up with that?
I am sure both nutbags are also "environmentalists". |
James
Citizen
Username: Gymtagart
Post Number: 18
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 5:46 pm: |
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You're walking your dog on a lawn that somebody else maintains, and you're complaining about how they maintain the lawn??? |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8505
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 5:47 pm: |
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My theory is that since we live in the state with the largest number/concentration of Superfund sites (is that program still in existence?), developments built on landfill made with toxic crap (Hovnanian/chromium) and oil refineries spewing god-knows-what into the air, lawn chemicals are the least of our problems.
Although I would draw the line at letting kids romp on the lawn. Our poison service uses the white flags and places several around the property. I leave them up for days, just to be sure. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1111
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 5:50 pm: |
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James-
on a sidewalk.
As I understand it, it is supposed to be used by the PUBLIC. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1112
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 5:53 pm: |
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greentree-
Is this an example of child abuse?
( preparing to add DYFS to speed dial) |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8508
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:13 pm: |
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What would be the abuse? Letting them play on the newly-toxic lawn or not letting them play on it? |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1115
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:17 pm: |
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The first. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1500
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:19 pm: |
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DYFS would just throw them in a closet after beating them. Let the kids play on the lawn. Who knows, that sign could be old and someone forgot to take it down. |
Glock 17
Citizen
Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1501
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:19 pm: |
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They dont spray the sidewalk, btw |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1116
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:23 pm: |
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Glock-
They spray it all, the workers are illegals. No comprende.
The sign was fresh I did not see the day before.
I support animal rights ,like all the hot supermodels do. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1213
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:25 pm: |
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Facts...I am with you on all this pesticide crap. However your dog has no business on another persons lawn. Hate to say it but that's what it is. |
flugermongers
Citizen
Username: Flugermongers
Post Number: 705
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:30 pm: |
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I hate people who use pesticides. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1117
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:30 pm: |
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Bajou-
And I support Austria by excessively imbibing their wines  .
El doggy was not on their lawn but on the part between the sidewalk and the street. Most towns consider that PUBLIC property.
No more gruner or weissburgunder ! Austria must pay !  |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8509
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:32 pm: |
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I guess this means that you are crossing me off the list of people you'd like to meet. Not that I was ever on it.
I tend to save my strong emotions for people I don't know who are child-molesters, rapists, Nazis, etc. |
flugermongers
Citizen
Username: Flugermongers
Post Number: 706
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:34 pm: |
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lol.. nooo I like you greenetree.. I am very adamant about the fact that chems ruin the earth, cause cancer, and are, in the big pic, useless. it's terrible |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1118
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:36 pm: |
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We wonder why we have such high cancer rates in NJ.
Bizarre to me that a dr. would treat their lawn up the wazoo ! |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8512
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:40 pm: |
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Even more bizarre that a doc would smoke. And yet more than a handful do.
Flug- 
It's pretty much my only environmental sin. |
James
Citizen
Username: Gymtagart
Post Number: 21
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 6:53 pm: |
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"on a sidewalk.
As I understand it, it is supposed to be used by the PUBLIC."
But 40 minutes later, its:
"El doggy was not on their lawn but on the part between the sidewalk and the street." |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1120
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 7:12 pm: |
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James-
Sorry I am not as anal in description as you. |
James
Citizen
Username: Gymtagart
Post Number: 22
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 7:49 pm: |
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I didn't describe anything. You may not be anal in your descriptions, but you certainly demonstrate characteristics frequently associated with that part of anatomy. Complain. Its a soapbox, after all.
But get your story straight. |
Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 2079
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 8:32 pm: |
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Facts -
You don't really have a dog - do you?
Interesting that with the many dog-oriented subjects you start one rejecting pesticides - yet most of your posts are hyper-conservative and never once have you cared about the JAC, the new dog run, or finding a lost pup.
Your Nom de Nette is specious, and because you have no soul, you only fool some of the people some of the time.
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lamojo
Citizen
Username: Lamojo
Post Number: 184
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 8:36 pm: |
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We don't use pesticides anymore on our lawn (but we did use 'em to get rid of a bees nest not too long ago).
Did anybody see the article in last week's Home Section of the NYt about the guy who is trying to get Americans to return their front lawns to native plantings? If I could convince DH to go along, I'd definitely do this. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1123
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 9:30 pm: |
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Lydia-
Are you still obsessed with the politics of women walking up Durand?
How do you know what I do about pet issues?
Frankly, you sound a bit creepy.
100-200 cats in you home? |
K_soze
Citizen
Username: K_soze
Post Number: 552
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 10:21 pm: |
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Fact, how do you know the the workers are illegals. No comprende ?
Nice stereotyping How bout this, try keeping your dog off their lawn. That little strip is NOT public, the town has a right to work on it if they have to but it's the homeowner's property. Those signs are put up mainly because they're required to do so, I've never heard of an incident here in NJ where someone fell ill solely because of lawn treatments.
I hate people who use pesticides
Hi, how are you doing. Since you already hate me I'll tell you that I loooooove those mmm mmm yummy pesticides, infact I'm calling Chemlawn right now to tell them to double my dosage...kill everything around my grass but keep that baby green
In all seriousness I have a little over 2 acres of lawn and landscape to take care of, I'm obsessive compulsive about it, I mow the lawn at least twice a week, I use a 16 zone irrigation system to water it twice a week, I treat the grass 4 times a year(not the 7 that the chemlawn guys try to do, I think that's a little too much) and I treat the trees and shrubs 4 times a year. If I don't Japanese beetles will devour my trees, gypsy moths will finish off what the beetles didn't eat, grubs will run ramped and the grass won't stay plush and green. I'm sorry, but I take pride in the way my property looks so if using chemicals 8 times a year is
so bad then sue me when everyone in NJ comes down with that new Dr. Greenthumb cancer.....but I don't think that's ever gonna happen.
That being said I (and I'm sure anyone else who cares about his/her property the way I do) would not appreciate a dog being walked on my grass, even if it's just that little strip by the road. I know it's a good chance rover's gonna dump out on it and that would just burn me up.
BTW, I own all the necessary equipment..zero turn, baggers, sweepers, aerators, edgers, spreaders, tillers and more AND I do all my own work so none of you nagging types can complain I'm employing those pesky illegals |
combustion
Citizen
Username: Spontaneous
Post Number: 264
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 2:28 am: |
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K, I was led to believe that the strip between the sidewalk and the street was town property, but that the homeowner was responsible for it's maintenance. Okay, so maybe I'm splitting hairs on this one. I'll have to check my deed.
I have pets, but I use pesticides in my yard too. The neighborhood cats love to hang out in my yard and in warm weather it's always full of fleas. If I didn't spray, it would get pretty bad.
When I walk my dog I always walk her on the street or sidewalk, never on someone's lawn. Not because of pesticides, but just for common courtesy.
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Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1127
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 7:00 am: |
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K_ soze-
You are not walking your dog on someone's lawn if you are walking on a sidewalk
in front of their house. The existence of the sidewalk gives you the right to use it as a member of the public.
People would have to walk on the streets and not use sidewalks, which of course, are there for them to use. By extension you shouldn't be on the sidewalk at all. So that would exclude women with baby carriages too.
My dog walks on the sidewalk and is allowed to smell and do his thing between the sidewalk and small strip of property that abuts the street. And I immediatly pick up any offending by-products. |
K_soze
Citizen
Username: K_soze
Post Number: 559
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 9:59 am: |
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Combustion - There is an easment that allows the town and other utility companies to work on that little area and sometimes even a few feet beyond the sidewalk but it's yours. Who do you think the code officer is giving the ticket to if it's left unkept...you or the town? I'm sure if I called the DPW and asked them to mow it they'd think I was nuts.
Fact - I suggest you scroll up 2 posts and re-read. Nowhere do I mention not being on my sidewalk. The women with baby carraiages comment is out right retarded. The point I was trying to make is I take great care of all my lawn...even that little strip..and when I have to I use chemicals to do so. If someone feels the need to walk their dog on my LAWN, then don't complain if it's been treated.....and don't be surprised if I throw on my sprinklers if I see him squating |
Scully
Citizen
Username: Scully
Post Number: 791
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 10:09 am: |
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K_soze. TWO acres?!! And you maintain it yourself? When do find time to do ANYTHING else? Your post makes me tired just reading it! |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3608
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 10:09 am: |
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FvF, I thought you folks in Short Hills didn't have sidewalks? 
You know what? "There outta be a law!" |
The3ofUs
Citizen
Username: The3ofus
Post Number: 51
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 11:45 am: |
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In Maplewood, the curb strip is public like the sidewalk but must be maintained by the homeowner. If a homeowner fertilizes his lawn, it follows that he would fertilize the curb strip so it doesn't look like crap compared to his fertilized lawn. As a conscientious dog owner, you should be paying attention AT ALL TIMES when outside if you are concerned about the dog's health. To blame it on the homeowner is ludicrous. Plus you are obnoxious. |
K_soze
Citizen
Username: K_soze
Post Number: 561
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 12:25 pm: |
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Plus you are obnoxious  Nice bonus shot
Scully - about a quarter of it is conservation land so it's really not that much, besides I like doing all that stuff. I've been told that'll change as I get older but for now I've got plenty of energy. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1147
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 9:56 pm: |
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My... my... the hostility of "lawn lovers".
the3ofus- If you read my post you will read that the lawn "sign" was un-observable. That was my complaint. Clearly your comprehension shows that it does take the three of you to come up with a post.
k_souze- " I take GREAT care of ALL my lawn". ( took some license with the emphasis)
Um... well... ok, if that is what makes you happy. Does it have to be a particular shade of green? Do leaves on your lawn make you really, really mad? Do you let your kids play on it on special ocassions? Not that I am saying there is anything obsessive complusive about people really being into their grass you understand...
Rastro-
In the poorer sections, but as my dog frequently runs with me our concept of neighborhood is quite broad. Are you suggesting you have better sidewalks and defecation potention in SO? Is your house close by? |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3616
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, July 21, 2006 - 10:15 pm: |
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Actually, I would think the "better" sections would NOT have sidewalks.
If you want to let your dog •••• by my house, more power to you. I'll put out the DDT.  |
The3ofUs
Citizen
Username: The3ofus
Post Number: 53
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 8:37 am: |
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UH ALL FICTION, if the sign was unobservable (no hyphen needed, einstein) you would never have seen it and we would have one less thread started by YOU. I stand by my assessment that you are obnoxious and I will wager my house that I'm not the only one that feels this way on MOL. |
combustion
Citizen
Username: Spontaneous
Post Number: 265
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 9:46 am: |
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K,
I'm not trying to be nasty, you know I luv you, but, well, did you read my post? I said the homeowner was RESPONSIBLE for maintenance, which is why the homeowner would have to mow the grass, and also why the homeowner would receive a summons for neglecting that area. Ownership and responsibility are two different things. This also applies to sidewalks. I don't own my sidewalk, yet I'm still responsible for it's maintenance, and liable if someone is injured due to my neglect (someone slips because I didn't salt in the winter, etc).
Trees, however, are another matter. Trees on the strip between the sidewalk and the curb are the responsibility of the town. You cut the grass, they top the trees. |
kevin
Supporter
Username: Kevin
Post Number: 810
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 11:54 am: |
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FVF - your quote early on regarding pesticides, "They spray it all, the workers are illegals. No comprende."
I hope that you are aware that the state of NJ requires the person applying pesticides to be licensed. If you are truely concerned, you should file a complaint with the DEP against the company who is using illegals to apply pesticides. If you do not know which company it is, just give the DEP the address of the property and they will investigate it. They take it seriously. (609) 984-6568
http://www.state.nj.us/dep/enforcement/pcp/bpo-licensing.htm
Do I need a Commercial Pesticide Applicator license?
Most people who apply pesticides as part of their job or on a for hire basis need to be licensed as a Commercial Pesticide Applicator. A license to apply pesticides is required under the above circumstances, whether the pesticide can be obtained from the local garden center or a licensed pesticide dealer. Examples are exterminators, landscapers, tree sprayers, or pet groomers. These people all need to have a Commercial Pesticide Applicator license along with a Pesticide Applicator Business license.
Do I need a Pesticide Operator license?
If a person wants to apply pesticides as part of his/her job or on a for-hire basis without becoming a Commercial Certified Pesticide Applicator, he/she may become licensed as a Pesticide Operator. However, the Pesticide Operator must work under the direct supervision of a Commercial Pesticide Applicator. The Commercial Pesticide Applicator does not have to be present for a Pesticide Operator to apply most pesticides.
How do I get licensed?
In most cases Commercial Pesticide Applicators must fulfill the training requirements (see 7:30-6.2) prior to applying for the exams. After completing the required training the applicant must take and pass a minimum of two exams, a Core exam & a category exam. (To be licensed in Categories 10 - Demonstration & Research, or Category 11- Aerial, you must pass Core and one additional category exam). Private Pesticide Applicators and Certified Pesticide Dealers take one exam. It costs $10 to take each exam. The Commercial Pesticide Applicator and Certified Pesticide Dealer's licenses expire on October 31 of each calander year. The Private Pesticide Applicator's license is valid for five years. New Jersey also accepts reciprocal certification from other states which allows the person to use his/her out-of-state certification to get a NJ license. A waiver for users of the sterilant ethylene oxide (EtO) is available (see quetion 8.)
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Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1154
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 - 5:20 pm: |
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3ofus-
If I was "Einstein" I too would be peeing on your lawn, if you read the biographies of the man, he was a bit absent-minded ( oh no the dreaded hyphen!) As a parent don't you think letting the kids play on a lawn that requires a warning is a problem.? Sorry you don't like me, guess my " politics" is a problem for you, but you know what? Someone has to make some alternative threads that don't come down to sodo@%zing every democratic politician.
Rastro-
Your obviously (?) are not a dog lover, but I appreciate your strong support of Israel in other threads. Don't worry if I lived in SO I would walk my dog where the trustees live
Kevin-
That is good info to know. Hope we can talk real estate in the coming months given our re-assessment. |
K_soze
Citizen
Username: K_soze
Post Number: 565
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 8:20 pm: |
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Q&A to FAct -
Does it have to be a particular shade of green? - Yes and no, not too crazy about one shade over anothe but I do want it all to be the same. Last season I had a few patches that needed reseeding, when the grass came up it was different..I went crazy for a few weeks but a tow behind spreader filled with dried blood cleared that right up, now it's all green again
Do leaves on your lawn make you really, really mad? - Not really, they're usually not down long enough for it them to be an eyesore...mulch-vac-sweep
Do you let your kids play on it on special ocassions? - My girl can run around as much as her little heart desires, that's one of the reasons I keep it so nice. For people to enjoy
Not that I am saying there is anything obsessive complusive about people really being into their grass you understand - You're not the first to "not say anything about obsessive compulsive lawn people" It's fine with me, whatever it takes to keep it looking nice (read: better than everyone else's on the street) |
K_soze
Citizen
Username: K_soze
Post Number: 566
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 8:29 pm: |
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BTW, I don't let my daughter play on the lawn if it's been freshly treated. I think any parent would have a problem letting their children "play on a lawn that required a warning" however these warnings last 3 days max, after that you can roll around in the grass all you want. Until of course you roll over a pile of hot steamy dog nougat......not on my lawn though |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1308
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 9:14 pm: |
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K-Soze I got some to spare if you are running low  |
K_soze
Citizen
Username: K_soze
Post Number: 567
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, July 23, 2006 - 11:06 pm: |
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lawn or dog pies? |
combustion
Citizen
Username: Spontaneous
Post Number: 269
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 1:33 am: |
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dog nougat?
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K_soze
Citizen
Username: K_soze
Post Number: 570
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:18 am: |
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ewww, corn or nuts in that nougat? get it off my lawn!!!! |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3617
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 11:07 am: |
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FvF, Actually, I'm quite the dog lover. Just don't tell my wife and kids. And I'm not sure how the ASPCA would react, either...
Now cats, those I love too. With a nice bernaise sauce. It's tough to get rid of all the hair, though. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 1182
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 6:08 pm: |
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K_ soze-
Thanks for your reply. It sounds great! Seems that lawn care anonymous 12 step program really worked !
Rastro-
Have you ever had liver with a good Chianti?
If I had your wife's e-mail I would suggest she get you a St. Bernard that would slobber over everything, including your keyboard, or a "hunting" dog if you are going to move to Alabama. After your re-val you just might want me to walk my dog where your trustees live . Just say the word. |
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