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Parkbench87
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since this seems to be the hot topic lately - I want to get your opinions. What do you think about a woman working a full time job? Do you think it is her right or do you think she should stay home and let her husband be the sole bread winner?
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buzzsaw
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

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Glock 17
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I say let 'em work. But if women really want equal rights, they need to stop accepting special treatement.
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mjh
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

As long as they don't expect to get paid as much as men, and as long as they don't whine, I think it's just great.

Oh, and no bossy women allowed.
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buzzsaw
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Glock - is that a joke?
(say yes)
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Ceidefields
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 12:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Let's be realistic about the situation. Given the house prices in any decent neighborhood and the costs of living in general, I think staying at home is really only an option for the better off amongst us. The rest of us need two incomes to keep afloat.

And Glock 17, what special treatment? I'm a working mom and I've never encountered special treatment in the workplace in my life. Oh yeah, unless you count the 40% pay cut my employer forced on me after my son was born and I could no longer work a 16 hour day and had to cut back to a ten hour day. That was special treatment.
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ken (the other one)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If I was married, I would be more than happy to have my wife work full time and I can be Mr. Mom and raise the kids.

That, if I was married...

Ken
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Hoops
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

answering this question could get plenty of men here is big trouble with their spouses.
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greenetree
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I've been looking for a husband to support me for years. I haven't yet found a guy whom TS would accept, tho.

This working thing sucks. I'm not as smart as the men around here and I'm tired of having to work twice as hard to prove myself. When I meet Mr. Right (and he must be a Doctor, Lawyer or Investment Banker) I might work a fun little job so that I can have some Money of My Own and Feel Worthwhile.

Excuse me now, Wally and the Beaver are home and I have to fix their lunch....
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Glock 17
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No, not a joke. A women could easily say a co worker groped her when he never did it, take it to court, and win with absolutely no evidence. You can't flip that situation around.
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blackcat
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

And if they're not female they can say its a racial, age or ethinic thing, right? Duh...
Man, are people bored today?
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crossroads
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My wife has been a PROUD stay at home Mom for 23 years. It worked out well and now that the kids are off to college she's contemplating stepping down to a day job.
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Chris Prenovost
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If the woman can bring home the bacon, by all means let her do so.

But if BOTH parents work outside the home, be prepared for some serious issues down the road with the kids.
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Bajou
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What a stupid question! Why would you think that it is your decision (or why ask for our input) to make. There is only one person who deceides if they go to work or stay at home.

I think the average great "bringing home the bacon all by myself" guy should sit down and calculate what he would pay for a cook, a cleaner, a personal secretary, a personal shopper and a nanny. When you covered these salaries then you really are a single provider.

Frankly this might sound bitter but I would tell every young mother..stay home for a year but then go back to work...even if its only part time. Your husband can become unable to work or leave you or pass away and then you suddenly will be the single provider for your family. I have seen this and once you are out of the work force for 5 years you can forget coming back in at anywhere close to the money you were making.

Why don't we worry about all the lazy assed guys who walk out on their families and do not pay their fair share. There are thousands of single women out there that have to support their families all by themselves with no other half gretting them at the door with dinner ready and the laundry done.

The only people that can say they bring home the bacon by themsleves are single parents.

Glock: What makes you think that most girls would make that up?? Plus to use one of my favorite posters favorite word. Grope my As* pal and se*ual harrassment charges will be your smallest problem!
The american economy would collapse if there were no female workers!
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Bajou
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

OOOHHHH sorry that was a rant and a half....

Note to self: Check your hormon levels...
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greenetree
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You mean this thread isn't meant as a joke?

There's no way that this is a serious question.

Besides, banning women from the workplace won't stop men from being falsely accused of sexual harrassment. Some guy could say that you tried to grab his wanker while he was taking a piss in the men's room.

Clearly the only answer is that no one should have any coworkers. It would certainly make the company holiday party much cheaper.
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Parkbench87
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 2:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greentree,

I meant is as a joke (see breastfeeding thread). I guess the heat is getting to everyone
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greenetree
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

With your usual posting style, I thought so. The responses are quite telling.....

The next one should be "Sexual Harrassment in the Workplace".
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buzzsaw
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don't worry - Glock's tin foil hat is in the mail.
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red
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen at all times!
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argon_smythe
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Women in the workplace is no joke, Parkbench87. For shame!

Now women voting, now there's a joke! Especially security soccer moms who drive big SUVs too fast down our tree lined streets!!!

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Lizziecat
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I thought this was an issue that we decided back in the '60s. Women work. Men work. Equal pay for equal work. Both parents should take care of the children. Both spouses (spice?) should take care of their home. What's so hard?
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combustion
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't think women should be in the workplace. Now, if I could only convince hubby of that...
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greenetree
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 3:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Combustion - if that were to happen, the backlash against lesbian couples applying for public assistance would be devastating.

Ha! I knew that I could find it! A good, solid link between economics and the evils of gay marriage!

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Bajou
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 4:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Now that I think about it...women should be barefoot and naked in the kitchen...with the handsome personal trainer that the "bringing all the bacon home by himself" husband supplied.




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combustion
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 4:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ugh, not for me. I like my men a little darker and scruffier. Like this...






I'd stay home and raise his babies!!
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Soparents
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 4:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

.....and with a great big weapon too....

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sportsnut
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 5:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"I think the average great "bringing home the bacon all by myself" guy should sit down and calculate what he would pay for a cook, a cleaner, a personal secretary, a personal shopper and a nanny. When you covered these salaries then you really are a single provider."

Wow, where to begin with that one.....

Like most families in this area my wife and I share all of these responsibilities - sometimes not so equally. I shop, I do most if not all of the cooking, what little cleaning we do - we share, I take care of 95% of all child related issues (Pick up/drop off, Drs., play dates, birthday parties etc). Not sure what you meant by a personal secretary as my wife and I are pretty self sufficient and we do our own shopping. My wife couldn't afford to pay for what I do and I couldn't afford to pay for what she does so we share doing it.

I know this was a joke thread but man some people have some serious issues.
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red
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 6:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

sportnut--I think salary.com or a website similar to that estimated what a housewife would make. It came out to $139,000 a year or there abouts.
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Case
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I love that statistic. Fine, let the average 'housewife' haul her out the door and find that $139,000 per year job.

Then she can subcontract her housekeeping duties at home to illegal immigrants at a substantial savings. Even if she subs out the bedroom duties (wink wink) I'm sure she'd still show a clear profit. You never know - the husband may go for this idea whole-hog, as long as he gets to change the 'subcontractor' on a regular basis.

Enough with the housewife salary nonsense, please.
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greenetree
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 9:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Case, are you actually married to a SAH?
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Bajou
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sportsnut: If you share the duties and you sound like you do a heck of alot more then it doesn't apply to you.

Case: I know plenty of housewifes who wouldn't mind the subcontracting deal and have done so for years.

This is a thread joke so calm down.....
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Peter G. Magic
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 10:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Glock, in recent years there have been plenty of sexual harassment cases brought by men. Where have you been? Some of the more interesting ones I remember is the guy who sued successfully for getting groped on a Texas oil rig out at sea ... and then there are the men who sued Hooters for not being hired. Imagine them in those outfits! LOL.
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Mr. Big Poppa
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Women in the workplace....no problem with that at all....as long as the workplace is a strip joint!
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Bajou
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Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ohhh Mr. Big Poppa....I have missed your posts LOL
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Case
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Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 8:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Gosh, Bajou, this is a joke? I thought it was 100% serious - thanks so much for letting me know. I'll try to pay closer attention from now on! (Tell me, the country you come from... does it have a lot of overhead power lines or lead in the water supply or something?).

And no, my wife works - I think its good for her to have outside interests, so I let her have a job. I know its indulgent, but that's just the kind of guy I am.

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greenetree
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Posted on Wednesday, July 19, 2006 - 8:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How much of her salary do you let her keep? It's not good for a woman to have too much money, you know.
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Spinal Tap
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 4:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I think whoever earns or has more earning potential should be the breadwinner and if a couple legitimately needs two incomes to make ends meet for their family so be it. You do what you have to do.

However, one thing that does chap my behind are people, and we have friends like this, who claim they both work to “make ends meet” but in reality are supporting a particular lifestyle they desire. For example, Lexus instead of Toyota, Viking instead of GE, West Palm Beach instead of Belmar, second hand furniture thrown together versus a living room right out of the pages of Home and Garden. I’m sure some out there will know what I’m referring to. My spouse and I are fortunate that we can live (and save some) on one income that’s a little above the median in Maplewood but we make sacrifices. I don’t know how many times we have had to turn down offers from our dual earner friends for dinner out because we’re broke. Then some of these same people then have the gumption to call my spouse and ask to pick up their child at day-care because the child has a temperature of 102 and the Tylenol they pumped them full of before drop off has worn off. I think in some cases the whole “make ends meet” line is an excuse parents use to assuage their guilt.

Also, is the second income really worth it? Once you subtract the increased income taxes, child care, work clothes expenses, commuting expenses, having to eat out more or get take-out because you can’t cook at home as much, etc., etc., is what you’re left with from the second income really worth it?
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notehead
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 4:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My only problem with letting women work is that if they're earning money then we sorta kinda hafta let 'em vote, too, which is ridiculous.
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greenetree
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Posted on Thursday, July 20, 2006 - 5:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

But if you switch to new-fangled, electronic, gadgety voting machines, we won't understand them so we just won't bother to even try to vote.

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