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Cynicalgirl
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 8:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'll admit it: I'm not a coffee nut. Most days, I have a mug and a half at home in the morning of whatever, generally Chockful of Nuts. I seldom buy it out. Yesterday, though, I stopped at a DD on the way home from a fasting lab test. Ordered a cup of DD with half and half and one sugar. It was REALLY great! Better than most stuff I've had at out with friends from work who are coffee fanatics.

Mind you, I know enough to hate Maxwell House and such. So, what's the deal? Is it how often they make it, type of coffee, or ??? 'Course I know some will object to DD altogether, but just curious..
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Southorangemom
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 8:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

My taste buds prefer Dunkin Donuts over Starbucks.

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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 8:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dunkin Donuts is the best coffee franchise on this planet. The coffee does not stand for more than 18 minutes (I believe). It's always hot and fresh, not bitter like Starbuck's and you don't have to worry about how you're dressed when you go in there (unlike Starbuck's).
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Cynicalgirl
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 8:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Glad some others share my experience. Do you think I could replicate it at home if I bought some? Or, is there something about their brewing...I have a decent drip coffee maker, with a water filter thing (Braun). But, I don't want to be disappointed!

I could get into coffee more if it tasted like this! I'm not up on bean types and all of that. What's their alleged deal in that regard?

Wine I know about, and have decided preferences on, etc. Just not coffee. I do like the odd iced coffee drink, but am more prone to save my morning leftover, add milk, sugar and sometimes a bit of choc syrup or cinnamon or vanilla if in the mood...not up on all the lattes etc.
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Carl Thompson
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 9:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dunkin' Donuts made a push some years back to feature fresh, good tasting coffee, and they definitely succeeded. I beleive it was motivated, at least in part, by competition from Starbucks.

I've become a fan DD's coffee and seek it out, especially when travelling. My problem, however, is that I become weak in the presence of DD’s Munchkins (donut holes), so sometimes it’s difficult for me to get out of there with only coffee. Its’ a tough life.



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Nancy - LibraryLady
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 9:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I try,(keyword try,) only to go into DD to purchase 2 pounds of coffee to make at home/work. Otherwise a donut or two will slip into the bag with the coffee.
It really is the best and brews up real well at home. I use the filtered water from my fridge and it is as good as what you get in the store.And the price is reasonable as well.
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The secret to great coffee at home is the beans (you've got that covered) and the method. The water has to be really hot to brew properly. Drops don't ever get there. There are only two ways to do this: percolator and French press. Perk is superior; Faberware makes a nice, simple one for $50 (less with the ubiquitous BB&B coupon) where strength is controlled by amount of coffee, not brew time. It's never bitter and steaming hot. French press is almost as good, but cools off too fast by the time it's done. So, even if you pour it into a thermos, it's too cool.

We've gotten so addicted to perked coffee that we took ours on vacation with us this year. Along with a bag of DD. I like Peet's decaf, but it is expensive.

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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The cleanliness of the pot is also important. If the pot isn't cleaned properly, old coffee oils build up in it and turn the coffee bitter. With the electric drip pots that have become so popular, it is impossible to clean the inside tubes. Also, the electric drip pots force the hot water through the coffee grounds too fast, which leeches all of the acid in the beans into the coffee--making it bitter.

I prefer to use an old fashioned manual drip pot--which I inherited from my mother. You put the coffee grouds in the basket and pour boiling water into the top. It drips through slowly, and the coffee comes out smooth and mellow. We also take our pot on vacation. You can get the same results with a Chemex pot and filter paper.

I always clean the pot with soap and hot water. Just rinsing isn't good enough.
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ess
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Though I am a self-confessed Starbucks addict (well on the way to recovery), I prefer the coffee at Dunkin' Donuts. There is nothing like an iced vanilla with milk (I get decaf, actually, and it is delicious) on a hot day. There's none of that burnt flavor at all. From a cost perspective, DD is also the better choice.

I still prefer Starbucks when talking loudly on my cell phone while reading the NY Times and working on my laptop -- in my tennis garb, of course -- but DD has much, much better coffee.
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Virtual It Girl
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm sorry. I can't drink it. It tastes like nothing to me, and if I ask for sugar, they put way too much (and I like it sweet).
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Cynicalgirl
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I could almost see me buying the noted percolator, greenetree. My a.m. is pretty hectic so I can't go to any approach that requires watching it or multiple steps. I'm the type who puts the pot together the night before and then hits the button in the a.m. while groggy. I shall take this under advisement!

VIG, what's your poison? Are you a stronger coffee fan? Just curious. I'm guessing that coffee, like wine, is a lot about personal preference. I was just struck forcibly by how much I liked the DD the other day.

I think I'll buy some DD, try it in my current pot, but consider the percolator angle. That would require, though I guess, either getting into a filter on the faucet (somewhat likely) or bottle water (highly un).
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Pippi
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I proudly join the ranks of the DD fan. I brew it at home and get loads of compliments on my coffee. (VIG - I am now wondering if I have every served it to you!) I have no brewing secrets to share, Cyn. Sorry! I have a regular Cuisinart pot and at various times, I have purchased both the already ground beans and the whole beans. Good luck!

VIG - FWIW, I put my own sweetener in when I buy it in the shop.
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Ink
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 1:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I became a DD convert when a friend challenged my snootiness about it. Now, I never go into Starbuck's in town, and always enjoy the anti-Starbuck's vibe of DD. Also, the people who work behind the counter at DD are very nice.
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Spinal Tap
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 2:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dunkin Donuts all the way. Unfortunately, the wife loves Starbucks so that makes me love Starbucks too.

Best coffee I've ever had below. Better if you ever actually get to Veracruz but the beans do it justice at home:

http://www.laparroquia.com/inicio.html
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combustion
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 3:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like the desserts and the Frappachino's at Starbucks, but the coffee is way too bitter. If (big IF) I drink coffee, it's usually Dunkin Donuts or from home. I've never actually made Dunkin Donuts coffee at home, I usually buy beans from Trader Joes. If you're going to make coffee at home, always grind your own beans, but I'm sure I didn't have to tell you that.

Thread drift...
I'm more of a tea person, and I love Chai. I currently drink Stash Chai. Anyone have any recommendations for other brands?
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jab
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 5:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm not a coffee drinker at all, but really like chai at Starbucks. The chai at Dunkin donuts is way too sweet. When I used to be able to drink coffee I was a Dunkin Donuts devotee. I even named my tiny kitten adopted from JAC but housed at the time at Maplewood Animal Hospital (on Springfield Avenue across from Dunkin Donuts) Munchkin (our 2-year old tabby has now topped 15 pounds). My husband always goes to Dunkin Donuts, because he thinks that Starbucks coffee is too strong. So, on any given Saturday, we are the people who stop into Cait & Abby for muffins then head our separate ways (Starbucks vs. Dunkin Donuts) before meeting at a bench in-between.
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Pippi
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 5:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

combustion - I've tried Big Train Chai. it's yummy!

bigtrain.com
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las
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 5:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Stopped at DD for a medium iced coffee with milk this morning...what a way to start the day!
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 6:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


Quote:

from Wall Street Journal -
Dunkin' Donuts last year paid dozens of faithful customers in Phoenix, Chicago and Charlotte, N.C., $100 a week to buy coffee at Starbucks instead. At the same time, the no-frills coffee chain paid Starbucks customers to make the opposite switch.
When it later debriefed the two groups, Dunkin' says it found them so polarized that company researchers dubbed them "tribes" — each of whom loathed the very things that made the other tribe loyal to their coffee shop. Dunkin' fans viewed Starbucks as pretentious and trendy, while Starbucks loyalists saw Dunkin' as austere and unoriginal.

Early research showed consumers wanted nicer stores, but revealed a potential problem: the loyal Dunkin' tribe was bewildered and turned off by the atmosphere at Starbucks. They groused that crowds of laptop users made it difficult to find a seat, Dunkin' says. They didn't like Starbucks' "tall," "grande" and "venti" lingo for small, medium and large coffees. And, Dunkin' says, they couldn't understand why anyone would pay as much as $4 for a cup of coffee.

"It was almost as though they were a group of Martians talking about a group of Earthlings," says Justin Holloway, an executive vice president at Hill, Holliday, Connors, Cosmopulos Inc., the advertising agency that helped Dunkin' with its research. One customer told researchers that lingering in a Starbucks felt like "celebrating Christmas with people you don't know." The Starbucks customers Dunkin' paid to switch were equally uneasy in Dunkin' shops. They bristled when workers dumped standard amounts of cream and sugar in their coffee, instead of letting them do it for themselves, choosing their own amounts. "The Starbucks people couldn't bear that they weren't special anymore," Mr. Holloway says.

Dunkin' researchers concluded that it wasn't income that set the two tribes apart, as much as an ideal: Dunkin' tribe members wanted to be part of a crowd, while members of the Starbucks tribe had a desire to stand out as individuals. "The Starbucks tribe, they seek out things to make them feel more important," Ms. Lewis says. Members of the Dunkin' Donuts tribe "don't need to be any more important than they are."

Coffee makes up 62% of sales. Dunkin' says it is continuing to improve its coffee. Last year, it created a special advisory council to travel across Central America in search of higher-quality beans.

Dunkin', which has about 6,800 stores world-wide, says operating profit grew 35% in the two years that ended in 2005.

Dunkin' says it sells 2.7 million cups of coffee a day in the U.S. A Starbucks spokeswoman says it sells about four million.

Starbucks, with roughly 11,000 stores world-wide, had revenue exceeding $6 billion last year. The Seattle-based chain created what it calls a "third place" — outside the home and office — featuring couches, eclectic music and art-splashed walls. It's part of the reason customers are willing to pay more for Starbucks coffee. A 10-ounce cup at Dunkin' Donuts costs $1.19 on average, while a 12-ounce cup at Starbucks costs $1.40 to $1.65, depending on the location.

Other chains mimicked Starbucks while Dunkin' stores remained essentially the same. Four years ago, McDonald's began a major redesign in areas where there was a high concentration of office workers, adding earth-tone colors and replacing fluorescent lights with single lamps that dangle over tables at restaurants. The fast-food chain is testing espresso beverages and last month rolled out a stronger coffee blend. In some stores it sells a blend made by Seattle's Best Coffee, a Starbucks brand.

Dunkin' executives made dozens of decisions, big and small, ranging from where to put the espresso machines to how much of its signature pink and orange color scheme to retain to where to display its fresh-baked goods.

They decided early on that Dunkin' would keep its goal of moving customers through its cash register line in two minutes; Starbucks, by comparison, has a goal of three minutes. Dunkin' customers said they didn't want any changes in store design to result in longer waiting times.

Out went the square laminate tables, to be replaced by round imitation-granite tabletops and sleek chairs. Dunkin' covered store walls in espresso brown and dialed down the pink and orange tones. Executives considered but held off on installing wireless Internet access because customers "just don't feel it's Dunkin' Donuts," says Joe Scafido, chief creative and innovation officer. Executives continue to discuss dropping the word "donut" from its signs to convey that its menu is now broader.

Dunkin' sought to add hearty snacks to appeal to meal-skipping customers. Focus groups liked hot flatbreads and smoothies, but balked at tiny pinwheels of dough stuffed with various fillings. Customers said "they felt like something at a fancy cocktail hour," Ms. Lewis says, and weren't substantial enough. Dunkin' increased the size and will market them as "bites" filled with pork and other ingredients.

Dunkin' stores have never had piped-in music. The company hired Muzak LLC to "architecture" a sound that was upbeat but "won't annoy people," Mr. Scafido says. The result is a soundtrack including pop-star Jessica Simpson, classic-rock group Queen and hip-hop singer Beyoncé Knowles — as well as artists that are familiar at Starbucks, such as Stevie Wonder. "It's not the Starbucks sound," Mr. Scafido says.

Most customers say they like the increased natural light from larger windows, the expanded menu and the new coffee bar that includes stainless steel pitchers of cream and skim milk that customers use on their own — a first for Dunkin' Donuts. Franchisees are footing the $150,000 bill for remodeling each store.

Dunkin' Donuts plans to expand in the East, adding stores in Charlotte, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Fla., Nashville and Cincinnati. It doesn't plan to start building out on the West Coast for about five years. Mr. Luther says there's one city it has no plans to enter: Seattle.


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Cynicalgirl
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 6:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave, thanks for that. It's really interesting. I had wondered about the marketing, and would've imagined that some of the superficial stuff that makes the Starbucks image would be anathema to some parts of the Dunkin' Donuts clan, and vice-versa.

It's probably pretty tough to do the Target shuffle where you manage to appeal to working class and middle America types, as well as the chic-er end of the pool. I'll bet there's a Harvard Business School case on this one...
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Cynicalgirl
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 6:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Maybe if they created special shops and called them "Duncan D's" or something -- kind of a two-track marketing thing.
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Virtual It Girl
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 7:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Cyn,I definitely prefer stronger coffee, so I usually drink at home. I am very thrilled with French Italian Espresso from Porto Rico Coffee. I used to like Starbucks, but over the past few years have found it too bitter or burnt tasting, so now when we get starbucks we get a few shots of espresso.

Pippi, I may have had coffee at your house once. We will have to do a test one day!

I can deal with coffee I find too weak, I just put cream in it, but my preferred is black.
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 10:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Another interesting article about DD vs. Starbucks from last year:

http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/bizfinance/biz/features/15139/index.html
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Arnomation
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Posted on Sunday, July 30, 2006 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't drink coffee but everyone I know that used to rave about Dunkin' Donuts coffee now drinks Quik-Chek coffee
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Ima Perplecks
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Posted on Monday, July 31, 2006 - 8:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Quik-Chek is pretty good and you can hand pick it.
but I am with Virtual It Girl. Dunkin always tastes
like nothing to me. Love Starbucks but have found
if you get the wrong variety being brewed (there's
a choice)you might not think you are a Starbuck's
lover. Might want to try their various brews. I like
the bold ones.
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ess
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Posted on Monday, July 31, 2006 - 9:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The NY Magazine article was pretty interesting. The dichotomy between DD and Starbucks is really a classic example of segmentation marketing.

All kidding aside, I do enjoy getting a drink in Starbucks and hanging out there and talking, knitting, what-have-you. When I am with my son, the baristas give him a cup of whipped cream. (When I am with my daughter, I have to take out a second mortgage to get her a fruit plate.) It is more of a destination. The only thing it lacks, really, is an enjoyable cup of unadulterated coffee.

In my opinion, the coffee at Dunkin' Donuts is far more enjoyable. Plus, not being a purist, I like the flavored varieties that are offered there. It's just that I wouldn't want to sit around at a DD. That's not the point of it, anyway.

If Starbucks served DD coffee, all would be right in the java world.
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Bob K
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Posted on Monday, July 31, 2006 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The only flavored coffee I like is DD's French Vanilla. I like Starbucks for fancier coffee drinks and sometimes the high cafine level is really needed. However, I like DD coffee.

Recently we have been buying their muffins and we like the corn and the blueberry ones very much.

I am in a twelve step program to cure my addiction to their Boston Cream donuts. :-)
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Posted on Monday, July 31, 2006 - 1:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I like DD coffee, too, and am not too crazy about Starbuck's. But I got addicted to Tim Horton's coffee when I lived in Canada, and still long for it. And their donuts are better than DD, too. (TH is like a Canadian DD - but better.)

As to percolators: The coffee may taste good, but using the metal filter basket allows some sort of thingy-whatsit to end up in your coffee, that causes high blood pressure or some such having to do with cardiovascular stuff. (this is a very technical explanation, I know - sorry if this is speaking over some people's heads.) The paper filters in the drip makers take it out. That's why earlier studies showed that coffee was bad for your health, but later studies haven't found it.
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Bajou
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Posted on Monday, July 31, 2006 - 1:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Do this once a month and your coffee is never bitter:

http://www.wikihow.com/Clean-a-Coffee-Pot
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Posted on Tuesday, August 1, 2006 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Heard on the radio this a.m., the DD buyer who buys a daily cup spends on average $1400 per year at DD and Starbucks buyer $1600. Me I'm only an occasional user.

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