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Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1531
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 3:59 pm: | 
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Not for the weak hearted!
http://www.noveal.org/sci_evidence.htm
Sign the online petition if you agree and care. |
MeAndTheBoys
Citizen
Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 4329
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 4:21 pm: |
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Bajou, I agree and care, but now I'm afraid to follow the link, in light of your warning "not for the weak hearted!" I am, I'm afraid, extremely weak-hearted! |
Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 1756
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 4:24 pm: |
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I like veal. Too bad for the cows. We've got the thumbs. |
Brett
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Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 2604
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 4:26 pm: |
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I lived in CREAM Ridge, lots of cows and veal from there. I never saw a farm like that in my life. I guess it happens somewhere, but not where my veal comes from. |
Monster©
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Username: Monster
Post Number: 4489
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 4:28 pm: |
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how can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat? |
Señor Moment ©
Citizen
Username: Howardt
Post Number: 2391
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 4:39 pm: |
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"NO to veal" |
Lydia
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Username: Lydial
Post Number: 2126
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 5:03 pm: |
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I'm signing the petition -
Speaking of humane animal farming - I've found a handful of local-ish farmers who feed their animals all-grass diets and all that good stuff. On Tuesdays at the Millburn Farmer's market there's a really nice farmer, his meat is better and less expensive than Whole Food's, and he takes special requests for my dogs and cats (grass-feed beef and chicken liver for 50 cents a pound)
Feels good to get fresh meat for a good price + pay the farmer directly. |
eliz
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Username: Eliz
Post Number: 1665
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 6:19 pm: |
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Say NO to factory farmed veal - say yes (if you like it) to humanely raised veal.
http://idealbite.com/tiplibrary/tip.php?tip=20050824&title=Humane_Veal:_Maybe_No t_an_Oxymoron... |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8979
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 6:23 pm: |
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When I was driving thru farm country in Ohio a couple weeks ago, I passed a deer farm. I couldn't figure out why anyone would purposely raise deer, considering our situation here.
I was told that it is a venison farm. Breaks my heart; all those deer struck and killed by cars, starving, etc. around here and elsewhere they are being bred as food.
How screwed up can you get? |
Buttercup
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Username: Buttercup
Post Number: 101
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 6:30 pm: |
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I didn't check the link because I definitely can't handle any sort of animal cruelty, etc. I haven't eaten veal in years and I would never consider going back. It's a disgusting, awful process with those cows. |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1536
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 6:37 pm: |
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Dear Brett:
You wrote:
I lived in CREAM Ridge, lots of cows and veal from there. I never saw a farm like that in my life. I guess it happens somewhere, but not where my veal comes from.
Veal doesn't come from regular farms and I have just checked Cream Ridge. That area doesn't have a single veal farm and your veal is not coming from there. Veal farming is extremely specialized, very expenses and if you saw cows and baby cows (calves) walking around then that is not a veal farm. Veal is not white by nature. Veal is only white when the calve drink milk and are denied all other food. The kley is that you do not want the other tree stomaches to fully develope (which they would need for digesting grass). A normal calve starts experimenting with grazing after a couple of weeks. When you see cows and calves outside then these are usually milk cows and the females calves are kept until they are ready to give milk themselves or they are male and are lucky (rare luck) to be kept for breeding purposes or fattened for beef production. Unfortunately most male calves will be sold out to veal farms. These farms are not like any farm you know. There is not straw or hay. The calves are force fed a formula and tied up so they cannot move. The US is one of the last Western Country that allows veal boxes and teetering which means
the calves live their few short weeks locked in a small box and tied up so they have no chance of ever walking. The veal farmer does not want any muscle on them so by putting low beams across their backs it discourages even standing up. After a couple of weeks they cannot stand up at all anyway as they are completely atrophied.
But here watch a Veal Farmer video and website and the excuses they come up with why it is done this way:
http://www.vealfarm.com/veal-farm-tour/index.asp
Note the complete absences of cow fences and not grazed grass. That grass is cut not grazed on his property, which means they are not going out. Secondly the cow you see outside is a milk cow and not veal calve so the whole video is full of ••••.
http://www.vealfarm.com/industry-info/faqs.asp
Here are some more lies even though they do admit that they box and teeter them. A normal calve is also not removed from a cow in the first 8- 10 weeks.
European Veal Farming looks different now that they have banned the box and teeter rule.
Frankly I feel that if we are already going to kill babies then let them have a little time with their mother and other calves. So the meat might not be as white as chicken. I mean really...
To get the real "facts" about veal farming go to:
http://ohioline.osu.edu/as-fact/0007.html
Especially the sentence:
Do not feed veal calves dry feed such as hay or grain. These feeds result in less desirable finish and darker colored meat than meat from calves on a full-fed liquid diet. Veal calves should not be bedded with straw or corncobs. Slatted wood stalls measuring 24 to 30 inches by 66 to 72 inches are the preferred method of housing.
Now measure that out and picture a 150 pound animal tied up in that space for it's entire life.
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MeAndTheBoys
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Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 4338
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 6:37 pm: |
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As far as I'm concerned, any kind of "factory" farming is a disgusting, awful process.
I won't eat meat because I know I could never look a red blooded, breathing mammal in the face and kill it and eat it. I don't understand hunters who get a thrill out of shooting and killing an animal they proclaim to be a "magnificent creature!" Seems kind of like saying "Oh look how beautiful--let's destroy it!" On the other hand, my MIL, who was born and raised in the country in Colombia, S.A., has no problem wringing a chicken's neck, plucking it clean, cooking it and eating it. Far as I'm concerned, she can eat all the chicken she wants.
Then there's fois gras. Force feeding ducks by sticking a tube down their throat. Oooooh. Gotta get me some of that! |
swishliquor
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Username: Swishliquor
Post Number: 19
Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 6:37 pm: |
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If we all knew what goes on in meat processing plants none of us would eat meat. I saw a documentary some years ago titled, "Meat" in black and white. Many of the workers wore fishing waders because they were up to their knees in blood. As an animal lover I should definitely be a vegetarian. But I just follow my own shtick, in that I don't eat anything on the bone, don't eat anything that looks like its original state, and don't go near skin. It's all pretty gruesome, like a glutton in the middle ages tearing meat off the large bone with his teeth. |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1537
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 6:40 pm: |
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Dear Brett:
You wrote:
I lived in CREAM Ridge, lots of cows and veal from there. I never saw a farm like that in my life. I guess it happens somewhere, but not where my veal comes from.
Veal doesn't come from regular farms and I have just checked Cream Ridge. That area doesn't have a single veal farm and your veal is not coming from there. Veal farming is extremely specialized, very expenses and if you saw cows and baby cows (calves) walking around then that is not a veal farm. Veal is not white by nature. Veal is only white when the calve drink milk and are denied all other food. The kley is that you do not want the other tree stomaches to fully develope (which they would need for digesting grass). A normal calve starts experimenting with grazing after a couple of weeks. When you see cows and calves outside then these are usually milk cows and the females calves are kept until they are ready to give milk themselves or they are male and are lucky (rare luck) to be kept for breeding purposes or fattened for beef production. Unfortunately most male calves will be sold out to veal farms. These farms are not like any farm you know. There is not straw or hay. The calves are force fed a formula and tied up so they cannot move. The US is one of the last Western Country that allows veal boxes and teetering which means
the calves live their few short weeks locked in a small box and tied up so they have no chance of ever walking. The veal farmer does not want any muscle on them so by putting low beams across their backs it discourages even standing up. After a couple of weeks they cannot stand up at all anyway as they are completely atrophied.
But here watch a Veal Farmer video and website and the excuses they come up with why it is done this way:
http://www.vealfarm.com/veal-farm-tour/index.asp
Note the complete absences of cow fences and not grazed grass. That grass is cut not grazed on his property, which means they are not going out. Secondly the cow you see outside is a milk cow and not veal calve so the whole video is full of ••••.
http://www.vealfarm.com/industry-info/faqs.asp
Here are some more lies even though they do admit that they box and teeter them. A normal calve is also not removed from a cow in the first 8- 10 weeks.
European Veal Farming looks different now that they have banned the box and teeter rule.
Frankly I feel that if we are already going to kill babies then let them have a little time with their mother and other calves. So the meat might not be as white as chicken. I mean really...
To get the real "facts" about veal farming go to:
http://ohioline.osu.edu/as-fact/0007.html
Especially the sentence:
Do not feed veal calves dry feed such as hay or grain. These feeds result in less desirable finish and darker colored meat than meat from calves on a full-fed liquid diet. Veal calves should not be bedded with straw or corncobs. Slatted wood stalls measuring 24 to 30 inches by 66 to 72 inches are the preferred method of housing.
Now measure that out and picture a 150 pound animal tied up in that space for it's entire life.
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Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1538
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 6:41 pm: |
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Dear Brett:
You wrote:
I lived in CREAM Ridge, lots of cows and veal from there. I never saw a farm like that in my life. I guess it happens somewhere, but not where my veal comes from.
Veal doesn't come from regular farms and I have just checked Cream Ridge. That area doesn't have a single veal farm and your veal is not coming from there. Veal farming is extremely specialized, very expenses and if you saw cows and baby cows (calves) walking around then that is not a veal farm. Veal is not white by nature. Veal is only white when the calve drink milk and are denied all other food. The kley is that you do not want the other tree stomaches to fully develope (which they would need for digesting grass). A normal calve starts experimenting with grazing after a couple of weeks. When you see cows and calves outside then these are usually milk cows and the females calves are kept until they are ready to give milk themselves or they are male and are lucky (rare luck) to be kept for breeding purposes or fattened for beef production. Unfortunately most male calves will be sold out to veal farms. These farms are not like any farm you know. There is not straw or hay. The calves are force fed a formula and tied up so they cannot move. The US is one of the last Western Country that allows veal boxes and teetering which means
the calves live their few short weeks locked in a small box and tied up so they have no chance of ever walking. The veal farmer does not want any muscle on them so by putting low beams across their backs it discourages even standing up. After a couple of weeks they cannot stand up at all anyway as they are completely atrophied.
But here watch a Veal Farmer video and website and the excuses they come up with why it is done this way:
http://www.vealfarm.com/veal-farm-tour/index.asp
Note the complete absences of cow fences and not grazed grass. That grass is cut not grazed on his property, which means they are not going out. Secondly the cow you see outside is a milk cow and not veal calve so the whole video is full of ••••.
http://www.vealfarm.com/industry-info/faqs.asp
Here are some more lies even though they do admit that they box and teeter them. A normal calve is also not removed from a cow in the first 8- 10 weeks.
European Veal Farming looks different now that they have banned the box and teeter rule.
Frankly I feel that if we are already going to kill babies then let them have a little time with their mother and other calves. So the meat might not be as white as chicken. I mean really...
To get the real "facts" about veal farming go to:
http://ohioline.osu.edu/as-fact/0007.html
Especially the sentence:
Do not feed veal calves dry feed such as hay or grain. These feeds result in less desirable finish and darker colored meat than meat from calves on a full-fed liquid diet. Veal calves should not be bedded with straw or corncobs. Slatted wood stalls measuring 24 to 30 inches by 66 to 72 inches are the preferred method of housing.
Now measure that out and picture a 150 pound animal tied up in that space for it's entire life.
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eliz
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Username: Eliz
Post Number: 1668
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 6:48 pm: |
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Bajou - many stores/restaurants now carry humanely raised veal - it is pink - not white. The animals are fed grains and milk, not crated or tethered. |
Brett
Citizen
Username: Bmalibashksa
Post Number: 2605
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 7:00 pm: |
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Bajou,
Thanks for posting 3 times that I'm wrong, but please feel free to come to the Sathewates(sp) farm with me some day. And if we call 3 or days ahead, and they will provide us with fresh Veal. It is in fact a humane farm. I understand that there are some very discusting farms out there, but I can speak for the two farms that I have worked at as a child.
I understand you disagree, but some farmers treat their stock well |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2116
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 7:11 pm: |
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I try not to eat veal. I don't order it when I go out, and generally avoid it. I know it's a pretty harsh way of getting good meat. However, it is very delicious, and on those very very rare occasions when I do eat it, I thoroughly enjoy it. |
Sandi and Paul
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Username: Momsandi
Post Number: 119
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 8:15 pm: |
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I agree Mayor. I love veal but I don't like the way the animals are treated. I also occasionally have Peking duck which is even worse. Read about that process! I will now look carefully at labeling to see where any veal I buy comes from and I am sure I would not eat any meat if I knew how the animals were killed and treated in many instances. |
Monster©
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Username: Monster
Post Number: 4491
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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I just don't care |
hch
Citizen
Username: Hch
Post Number: 342
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 11:17 pm: |
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Beef is yummy. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1544
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 11:24 pm: |
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Dear Brett and the rest of the posters:
I am sorry about the triple post which I have no idea how that happened and I will delete the other two.
Brett: the farm you mention is a rare exception but it is also not registered as a veal farm (calf masting farm) with the Agricultural Department in New Jersey. I also grew up in the country and spent most of my childhood on farms. All the farmers I knew would have rather died then treat their livestock this way. A good farmer takes pride in his/her lifestock. I guess it is just like with puppy mills. A real breeder spends time and energy both physically and mentally to assure that their breeding stock is not quantity but quality unlike the puppy mills who could care less that most of their dogs end up in shelters or are passed from owner to owner cause they are physically and mentally messed up.
Veal has dropped drastically in price due to the fact that the truth about how it is harvested has surfaced. The internet is a powerful tool and can do alot of good but sometimes it takes some personal commitment from the people that are on the keyboards. How about all of us ask then next time you order veal if it is "pink" veal. If you are told it's white then tell them you'd rather eat something else. Ask you favorite restaurant to switch to pink veal.
I am not a vegetarian but I do think that if we are going to use these animals for consumption then we should at least have the decency to provide for a healthy environment while they are raised and for the most painless and fastest culling method.
I have personally refrained from eating veal for many years now and I will continue to do so but that is my choice. That is why I stated in the start of the thread that should you agree and care then sign the petition. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1545
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 11:28 pm: |
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Tried to delete the posts but it is too late. Maybe Dave or Jamie could do me the honors and delete two of the three identical posts.
Thanks |
John James Leuchs Jr
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Username: Clairvoyant
Post Number: 127
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 11:30 pm: |
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I admire your values, Bajou. Take comfort in the fact that many children are now vegetarian. When I was a child I didn't know any who didn't eat meat. The vegetarian movement is growing. I still admit to eating meat but I admire those who refrain and profess such values. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 2118
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 14, 2006 - 11:51 pm: |
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I think my problem is only with veal. I believe because I was told at an early age how they are treated badly, and that I shouldn't eat it. If it hadn't been for this nagging feeling since I was young I would enjoy veal much more often. To tell the truth, I don't seem to get bothered at all when I hear that other animals were mistreated in order to bring me my meal. Well, as long as I don’t have to see it.
As for being a vegetarian, I could never do it. Meat tastes too good. Way too good. The most delicious food that is on this earth is steak. Mmm...
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John James Leuchs Jr
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Username: Clairvoyant
Post Number: 129
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 12:28 am: |
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Mayor, I once threw a live lobster in a pot of boiling water. I know that it is not supposed to have a sophisticated sensory system, yet I imagined that I could hear it screaming. Now, I will only buy lobster already cooked. My dad would never eat chicken or turkey because he saw his uncles wringing the necks of the birds where he lived in the country. I take the coward's way out and avoid looking at the slaughter of any animals. But I profess to eating most kinds of meat and seafood. Yes, it tastes really good. |
tom
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Username: Tom
Post Number: 5509
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 12:44 am: |
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South Park got my kids to calling it "tortured baby cow." I can only make it when they're not around. There are a lot of food horror stories out there, from the sometimes sadistic ways that grown cattle is butchered, to the miserable conditions for chickens as well as people in poultry-processing plants. It's hard to be ethical when you don't really know what happened before your food was shrink-wrapped at the supermarket. |
Costanza
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Username: Vandalay
Post Number: 1759
Registered: 8-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:32 am: |
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Solozzo tells Capt McClusky to " have the veal, it's the best in the city". Looks like Michael Corleone agrees with Bajou. That's not tofu they're eating.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D8TDjE_n2DU |
Soda
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Username: Soda
Post Number: 4110
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:58 am: |
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Think globally. Eat locally.
-s. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3723
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 3:14 pm: |
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John, the "screaming" that you heard was most likely the sound of air escaping from the shell. But it's not for the squeamish to cook their own food live.
Personally, I don't eat veal. but I have no problem with others eating it.
I'm curious. Does pink veal taste more like white veal, or more like red meat? |
Matt Foley
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Username: Mattfoley
Post Number: 778
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 4:57 pm: |
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Not trying to be funny:I don't eat veal because it rhymes with eel. I got bit by an eel in the Delaware River when I was young. I have since equated both to not on my list of consumable goods. I suppose if veal were to be called anything else I may eat it. |
Monster©
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Username: Monster
Post Number: 4497
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 5:14 pm: |
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just call it baby cow, then you can eat it. |
Monster©
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Username: Monster
Post Number: 4498
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 5:18 pm: |
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I have baby chicken every time I eat eggs
When I go to the grocery store with my kids we like to go to the meat dept. and get dead cow, we get some strange looks when we yell with glee, arms outstretched & slightly raised , as we walk to the meat saying loudly "DEAD COW!", and put some in our cart. |
Scully
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Username: Scully
Post Number: 926
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 1:51 am: |
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Monster, your eggs are almost certainly NOT 'baby chickens' if you get them from a supermarket. I've read (could be wrong) that the chicken farm eggs are not fertiized. |
Monster©
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Username: Monster
Post Number: 4502
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 1:57 am: |
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close enough |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1919
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 10:27 am: |
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I thought this thread was say no to reval.
duh. |
Rastro
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Username: Rastro
Post Number: 3729
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 12:03 pm: |
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Scully, even WORSE! He's eating an EMBRYO! Had it been given the right enivronment, it could have been a real chicken. It might have been THE chicken. The one that becomes the link between mankind and chickens everywhere. It might have learned to communicate and help us bridge our differences.
Who knows, maybe Jesus will come back as a chicken. Not if Monster eats it, though.
BTW, Hoops, I read it that way at first, too. |
combustion
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Username: Spontaneous
Post Number: 393
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 1:31 pm: |
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Eggs aren't embryo's unless they've been fertilized. At some of your smaller mom & pop farms, this could happen, but not at your large commercial farms. They tend to not have roosters running around. I have seen (dead) baby chickens for sale at Wegmans. They're tiny, small enough to fit in your palm. And no, I'm not confusing Cornish hens with chickens. These are labeled "young chicken." It kind of freaks me out. I don't think it's inhumane, it just gets to me, no reason.
About the lobster, I've heard the air escaping theory. However, just the fact that it takes that poor living creature 45 seconds in boiling water to die does it for me. I don't care how simplistic their nervous system is, pain is still pain.
In regards to veal, I've know since I was a young child that it was inhumane. I don't recall having ever eaten veal in my life.
I am in no way a vegetarian, never will be. I do try to buy humanely raised animal products. Eggs from cage free hens, organic milk, etc. Yeah, I pay more, but I feel a little better. I'm not animal crazy either, if I'm out to dinner with someone and they get lobster or veal, I won't lecture them on what they're eating, I just choose not to eat that myself. Besides, I'm not perfect myself, I also eat at McDonalds and KFC. I'm sure their mass produced beef and chicken products aren't humanely raised and slaughtered. |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1551
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 2:55 pm: |
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Monster: don't put all your eggs, baby chicks and dead cows in one basket. Remember I have a cain.
Screw the veal ....please fix my puter |
combustion
Citizen
Username: Spontaneous
Post Number: 410
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 1:44 am: |
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Know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadillac El Dorado, hot- ••••••• -pink, with whaleskin hubcaps and all-leather cow interior and big brown baby seal eyes for headlights... yeah! And I'm gonna drive around in that baby doing 115 miles an hour, getting 1 mile per gallon, suckin' down quarter pound cheeseburgers from McDonald's in the old-fashioned non-biodegradable Styrofoam containers... yeah! And when I'm done suckin' down those greaseball burgers, I'm gonna toss the Styrofoam containers right out the side, and there ain't a goddamn thing anybody can do about it. You know why? Because we got the bombs, that's why... yeah! |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1593
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 10:44 pm: |
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Combustion
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Monster©
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Username: Monster
Post Number: 4562
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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yeah baby yeah.... |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1595
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:20 pm: |
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Monster....remember the cain!!!
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Monster©
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Username: Monster
Post Number: 4566
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 11:44 pm: |
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yeah baby yeah.... |
Michaela
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Username: Mayquene
Post Number: 251
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 12:42 am: |
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Haven't had veal since nearly 10 years ago when Ms. Wagner at CHS told us how it was made ... don't think she's there any more but that will be with me for life. |
Bajou
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Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1602
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 2:27 pm: |
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Fool that I am forgot I was talking to the Monster. I curse you with the hicup.. |
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