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     Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 2663 Registered: 7-2003 |
Normally this wouldn’t be an issue, the type of dog you choose is your business. A very nice family used to live in the apartment in front of us, one of her sons was sent to Iraq, and they decided to leave their other son with the apartment and move to Sea Girt. Well the son had two friends move in to help pay the bills (it’s a 2 BR). The first party that had went on till 5:30. I went over the next day and asked if they could kill the music around midnight, just because we could hear it pretty well all night (we share a wall). Well they did kill the music. The second party (on a TUESDAY) the music died at around 10pm, the party went on till after 3 am. So I grabbed a 6 pack went over and chatted with the guys on the balcony. Basically that 3:00 am was crazy on a week night, what can we do to figure this out. Saturday on the way to the city, a friend of theirs was peeing on the front lawn, I made a loud enough comment that every heard. Last night, they were walking a 9 month old Pitt Bull. A bunch of guys partying every night is not going to be able to reasonable raise a dog. Today they were walking him with a rope instead of a leash. I really hope I don’t have to move, we need 10 more months before we can get a house. | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 2031 Registered: 10-2004  |
I would not be able to tolerate that at all. Apartment living means at least being somewhat reasonable. Young men will stay up until the sun comes up. The fact that they are all new to living on their own means that this is not going to change. 10 months are going to pass by, but very slowly. Its good that you are as tolerant as you are, bananas aside. I wouldnt worry about the dog, thats the least of your worries. Pits dont make noise. These guys will not be 'reasoned' with because what you are trying to reason with is their way of living. They are already compromising with you because they turned off their music at a reasonable hour. I think you should ask CLK | ||
| cody Citizen Username: Cody Post Number: 1123 Registered: 5-2001 |
Any chance you could talk to the parents who moved to Sea Girt and ask them if they could clue their son in on apartment living? Tell them you think they have a great son, but you want to be able to keep living there, too. If you do it nicely, you may be able to handle it without alienating either parents or neighbors. | ||
| LilLB Citizen Username: Lillb Post Number: 2329 Registered: 10-2002  |
Can you complain to the landlord? I would be very concerned if people like this were living on my property. Since the family left the place to the son, perhaps the landlord doesn't even know this is going on? | ||
| Cougar86 Citizen Username: Cougar86 Post Number: 45 Registered: 3-2006 |
Its highly likely that the landlord does not know about the pit bull. Most if not all insurers in NJ will drop the insurance on a home if certain dog breds are there and the Pit Bull tops the list. | ||
| CLK Supporter Username: Clkelley Post Number: 2392 Registered: 6-2002 |
CLK only answers questions about University Admin. Actually CLK would call the cops. Not about the dog unless there ends up being a reason - but about the noise, peeing on the grass, etc etc. Have done this. Called the cops that is ... not peed on the grass ... My BIL once threw an axe at a guy who kept blasting his car stereo in front of his house. Does that help? (oh, he missed ... my sister says he MEANT to miss but I'm really not sure ...) WHY did I open this thread? | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 9324 Registered: 5-2001  |
Have you spoken to the management? I realize that you are trying to resolve this amicably, but if I recall, you live in a rather nice complex. I can't see that managment wouldn't be concerned about the quality of life of those paying substantial rents. Nor do I think that they would want to be sponsoring a "frat house". | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4476 Registered: 12-2004  |
Tell the kid, since you seem to have a good rapport, to chill or your going to have no choice but to take steps. Talk to the parents, it you are able, talk to the landlord. Not sure why the pitbull was the topic on the thread, as there are clearly lots of other concerns. A dog is a dog is a dog, and unless you suspect they are actively training it to guard or fight, or you've witnessed it acting aggressively, I'm not clear what the issue is with the dog. | ||
| hch Citizen Username: Hch Post Number: 373 Registered: 8-2002 |
My guess is that three unrelated people are not allowed to live in the same apartment due to local ordinances which try to regulate these situations since we are near a university. Check local rental ordinances or call landlord as suggested already. | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 9326 Registered: 5-2001 |
HCH may have your answer. You probably don't have to worry about them knowing that it's you; you can't be the only one with issues speaking up to the manager. I don't know that talking to them will help. As others (and you) have pointed out, they are cooperative. But they are also young guys living on their own for the first time. There are going to be things about their behavior that they won't get until they have their own 20-somethings living at home some day. | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 2666 Registered: 7-2003 |
Good question, why is the pitt bull in the thread. 1) Pitt’s are accepted at our complex. 2) I guess any powerful dog would be an issue here. Shepard, Pitt, Mastiff. The problem is that there are small dogs, children, visitors. The first thing they see is this Pitt. The other 2 pitt’s in the complex are great dogs. I fear this one will not turn out friendly. Hell it will need to party till 3 am. I don’t think I can get a hold of the parents. I never really knew them, just to say hi, nice weather, etc. Management knows about the parties, it’s only been a few weeks so I think that they are figuring out how bad it really is. I guess I can call the cops, but in the end…….. We have a nice Apartment; we’ve really made it a home. Lots of professionals live there, young couples, families. I really don’t want my parents to come to my house and see kegs on the balconies, Pitt bull barking (not sure if this one will), guys peeing on lawns, plastic cups, and crappy busted down cars. I really wanted to live in a nice place. I want these guys to get out. | ||
| S.L.K. 2.0 Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1979 Registered: 10-2005  |
Brett- Though it is a pain in the *** you have many options where you will win in the end. If it keeps up, keep talking to them, then if it keeps up, call the cops, and if it keeps up gather your neighbors and threaten to file a report with the police. If they don't comply then file the report. I went through these motions recently, although I didn't have to file a report. Remember what i said on another board-if your neighbors know you (and others) are paying attention, they may begin curbing their disuptive actions... -slk just refrain from the banana throwing again, remember the last chiding you got. A second time would probably send some MOL posters over the edge.  | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 2667 Registered: 7-2003 |
I may throw a banana, but I would never tell you guys again Oh yea, I forgot. The older man that used to live there had a handicapped spot right near the door. There is a sign and everything. Now these guys use that spot as their own, really irks me. | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 9330 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ask management what their plans are to deal with this, what they are currently doing and what the timeline for resolution is. Be firm, but leave the bananas at home. They probably realize that they need to nip this in the bud before all the desirable tenants start leaving at the end of their leases. And your threads do too get attention! I read everything with your name, Sweetcheeks.  | ||
| AES Citizen Username: Room_to_move Post Number: 56 Registered: 10-2005 |
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060206fa_fact This is an interesting, albeit long, article about pit bulls that appeared in The New Yorker. | ||
| crabby Citizen Username: Crabbyappleton Post Number: 776 Registered: 1-2004 |
You've got something with the handicap sign. CAll the parking ticket lady at town hall and report it. $200 fine. Ouch. | ||
| Tofugrl3 Citizen Username: Tofugrl3 Post Number: 64 Registered: 12-2005 |
I still don't see what the pitbull has to do with them partying all night. The title implies that it's the breed that's the problem, but you seemed to speak more of the guys and their party habits. Pits are some of the nicest dogs around. One of the best to have as a family pet. People that stereotype are the ones that give them such a bad rap. | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4478 Registered: 12-2004 |
Wow, AES, that is a really, really great (and long) article. Unfortunately, I think your average person would read the first paragraph, be completely horrified, stop reading and just go on believing that "pitbulls" are bad dogs. The bottom-line and real truth about the breed is buried so far down in the article, I'm afraid most people wouldn't ever read it! | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4479 Registered: 12-2004 |
Bravo, Tofugirl! | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 2669 Registered: 7-2003 |
Would you prefer a poorly raise Shitzu living next door, or a poorly raised Pitt? | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4480 Registered: 12-2004 |
The question is not as simple as that Brett. There are lots of other factors involved. I'm a little surprised, being that you seem to have an understanding of animal behavior, that you would take this position. | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 2670 Registered: 7-2003 |
Ok, how about I say it's %25 that the breed is a strong animal. %75 appearance. Seeing a Pitt on the patio along with empty beer cans, plastic cups and a dead hooker is not my idea of a welcome sight? | ||
| LilLB Citizen Username: Lillb Post Number: 2333 Registered: 10-2002 |
I understand the sensitivity about perpetuating the misunderstandings out there about pitts, but I took Brett's reference to mean that strong animals in the hands of irresponsible people is a bit frightening. I would agree with that. | ||
| juju's petals Citizen Username: Jujus_petals Post Number: 343 Registered: 5-2003  |
I see two kinds of pit bulls -- the kind walked on a leash with a collar and the kind walked on a rope or chain. Or it that two kinds of pit bull owners. | ||
| LilLB Citizen Username: Lillb Post Number: 2334 Registered: 10-2002 |
Brett - man....things are escalating fast - there's now a dead hooker over there?????? Definitely time to call the management. | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4482 Registered: 12-2004 |
The beer cans, plastic cups and the dead hooker would really upset me. The pitbull? I'd just feel sorry the poor pup had to live in a place like that. Having owned a pit for the last ten years and, as a result of owning the dog, come in contact with many other folks who own the breed, and knowing that all of the pits I've ever known were great dogs, great companions and great with kids, and, also as a result of owning the breed, done my due diligence in terms of research on the validity of the widely held stereotype about the breed (which in fact is not an actual breed, but a generic term covering three different breeds) and having worked for a vet and seen that all of the dogs that came in with behavior issues--particularly aggression--have been anything but pitbulls (or shephards or rottis or dobies, etc., etc.), and having just read the very intelligent, well-researched article that AES just posted the link to.......I don't look at a pit any differently than any other dog. And when Buster goes, chances are pretty darn good I'll get another American Staffordshire Terrier. | ||
| Brett Citizen Username: Bmalibashksa Post Number: 2672 Registered: 7-2003 |
I'd feel the same about a Rottweiler or Doberman | ||
| Mr. Big Poppa Citizen Username: Big_poppa Post Number: 866 Registered: 7-2004  |
Was the pittbull eating the dead hooker? | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 2033 Registered: 10-2004 |
Brett - would you prefer a live hooker? | ||
| Gordon Agress Citizen Username: Odd Post Number: 537 Registered: 8-2004  |
Careful how you answer that. | ||
| Kevin Supporter Username: Kevin Post Number: 849 Registered: 2-2002 |
Read your lease. Most standard apartment leases state that the person who signed the lease has to be the primary resident and no subletting is allowed. Also, people not on the lease who stay longer than x number of days are required to be put on the lease. Did the son sign a new lease or is he living on the same lease that his parents signed? Management should be able to enforce some rule listed in the lease if they want. | ||
| newone Citizen Username: Newone Post Number: 443 Registered: 8-2001 |
Definitely speak to the super and building owner. In my old apartment, there were 2 girls living next door and the one whose bedroom was next to mine had a different guy (i think) every night bopping her brains out  (usually after 1 am going into the wee small hours of the morning). It started sounding like a bad porn movie after awhile and I had to start sleeping on my sofa once the action started. Long story short, I complained a few times and the girls were finally evicted because of the noise complaints. no...I didn't ask to partake in the activities... | ||
| AES Citizen Username: Room_to_move Post Number: 58 Registered: 10-2005 |
MATB - I think the article is very insightful. Leave it to the New Yorker! I sent it to my bro-in-law who was thinking about getting a St Bernard for his family. According to the article, they bite more than pit bulls. Public perception, I would suspect, is quite the opposite, what with the "rescue" persona that is attributed to a St. Bernard. | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4490 Registered: 12-2004 |
Copied the article to a word document for future reference. IMHO, what it comes down to is that a majority of dogs, no matter the breed, will probably never bite. I love big dogs, but the slobbering alone would definately keep me from getting the St. Bernard! Then there's all that hair! | ||
| AES Citizen Username: Room_to_move Post Number: 60 Registered: 10-2005 |
When bro in law was talking about getting a St Bernard, all I could think about was the slobbering and shedding, but figured it was none of my beeswax what type of dog they got. Then my New Yorker mag arrived and I couldn't help but send the article to him. The breed debates that go on here and elsewhere mystify me in alot of ways. For example, we have labs. There was a recent thread here about American Field vs. English labs. Several people said "Dont get the American Field Labs. Too hyper! Did you read Marley and Me? They are ALL spastic!." Well, our newest pup is an American Field lab and she is the calmest, quietest pup we've ever had. And you know what? So where her parents. Breeding is key. There are no guarantees, for better of worse, when you decide to get a dog. One of the nastiest dogs I ever met was a Golden! | ||
| MeAndTheBoys Citizen Username: Meandtheboys Post Number: 4493 Registered: 12-2004 |
One of the nastiest dogs I've ever known was a Standard Poodle! And, in the years I've had Buster, we've come across a couple nasty Goldens, one of which I had to kick in the head to get him off my dog. | ||
| Jersey_Boy Citizen Username: Jersey_boy Post Number: 1774 Registered: 1-2006  |
If you have an interest, and a another six pack, you could engage these guys and help them with the dog training. A well trained dog is it's own reward. And would be more obedient and well behaved in general. It sounds like this crew needs some adult guidance. Brett, you have laid some quality ground work for these guys to think you're cool, but with some specific requests. I would try to build on that relationship toward your concerns. I doubt you're afraid to be stern about the consequences of their non-compliance. It doesn't need to be antagonistic. Setting limits with them could be downright paternal. And might work. From your posts, I think you could pull it off. I wouldn't say that about everyone. But, I think you could. Good luck, J.B. | ||
| combustion Citizen Username: Spontaneous Post Number: 499 Registered: 4-2006  |
I have a pit mix. My neighbor has a pit. My dog is the sweetest, stupidest, love sponge you will ever meet. My neighbor's dog is good with people, but will try to tear apart other dogs. It is not the breed that made these two dogs what they are, it's the way they were raised. I used to have a rottie. She loved anything small, babies, kittens, puppies. That dog was pure love. Only once did she ever attempt to attack someone, and that was because the person attempted to enter my mother's house without permission. You have some very valid complaints in regards to your neighbors. They are affecting you quality of life. However, I don't think the BREED of their dog is one of them. Any dog, improperly raised, can be dangerous. As my great-grandfather used to say, anything with teeth can bite. I knew someone with a lab mix, Buddy. When Buddy went to the groomers to have his nails trimmed, the groomer neglected to muzzle him, most likely because he was mostly lab and therefore "friendly." Buddy bit the groomer pretty good. | ||
| Mr. Big Poppa Citizen Username: Big_poppa Post Number: 867 Registered: 7-2004 |
Look, enough talk about the f'n dogs.... Let's talk about that hooker!!!! | ||
| Jersey_Boy Citizen Username: Jersey_boy Post Number: 1778 Registered: 1-2006 |
Yeah, and what was she doing so far from the train station at the Montrosen Park Historic/Red Light District where the oldest, ahem, most historic, profession still thrives. Supposedly... J.B. |
