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MSO55
Citizen
Username: Mso55
Post Number: 23
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, September 7, 2006 - 8:06 pm: |     |
I feel like I'd be more scared of The Gaurdian Angels than I am of the cruisers. This isn't even THAT big of a problem. I think we should keep gaurdian angels and cops out of the reservation as much as possible. It's the only significant forest/mostly natural area anywhere near us. I say we keep more of the aspects of modern day society out of the reservation if at al possible. Now, I know that if the men are prostitutes they fit into this category but they're not bothering people like the cops and (I think)the gaurdian angels would.
That being said, I don't really know anything about The Gaurdian Angels other than what I've read on this thread so i could have the wrong idea about them. Would someone care to explain them? |
Lizziecat
Citizen
Username: Lizziecat
Post Number: 1413
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, September 7, 2006 - 9:01 pm: | |
Frankly, the Guardian Angels sound as if they are little better than thugs themselves, and I resent someone taking it upon him or herself to invite them into our community. Their offer to go to peoples' houses and "explain things to them" strikes me as illegal harassment. Surely, there are better ways of dealing with the problem of sexual activity in the Reservaton than asking a quasi military organization which proposes using borderline criminal tactics to handle the problem. Has anyone considered that once the Guardian Angels come here we might not be able to get rid of them? What happens then? Do we just add another problem to the ones we've got already? |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1925
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 7, 2006 - 9:45 pm: | |
Worse yet, what if they send us gay Guardian Angels? The problem could become even worse. I don't think its worth the risk. |
Lizziecat
Citizen
Username: Lizziecat
Post Number: 1414
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 12:24 am: | |
If they send us gay Guardian Angels we'll just leave them in cars at Gleasons. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1788
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 12:36 am: | |
I am all with Lizziecat on that LOLOLOL
and then we tie a rabbid dog really close to their face and make them flail their arms.
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CFA
Citizen
Username: Cfa
Post Number: 1704
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 4:18 am: | |
I think Alleygater is way out of line with this Guardian Angel ••••. |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 2634
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 10:08 am: | |
Look it wasn't my suggestion to bring in the Guardian Angels so don't attack me or single me out. But I'm happy to hear the opposing side on just exactly WHY you think that bringing them into our community is one of the most idiotic ideas you've heard. I'd be happy to hear how and why you think it's retarded to have patrols through the park, writing down license plates and pretending to take the law into your own hands. Please let me hear your argument. Because I don't think I could be convinced, but I'd like you to at least try.
I also find it funny when people come late into a thread and don't bother to read any of the earlier posts. If you're going to be that lazy, may I suggest you don't make an arse of yourself and attack people and their posts? THANKS!!! |
CFA
Citizen
Username: Cfa
Post Number: 1705
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 4:33 pm: | |
"bringing them into our community is one of the most idiotic ideas you've heard"..... I never said that.
"I'd be happy to hear how and why you think it's retarded to have patrols through the park, writing down license plates and pretending to take the law into your own hands"....I never said that either.
Seems like you're the assssssss |
MSO55
Citizen
Username: Mso55
Post Number: 24
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 5:45 pm: | |
Oh snap. CFA just burned Alleygater. |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 2650
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 5:52 pm: | |
I never said that you said that. I did however imply that you should go back to the beginning of this thread and familiarize yourself on what people have said prior to when you jumped into the conversation. Since you apparently didn't understand me. I'll be more plain. Start at the beginning of this thread and read my first post to see how I really feel about this topic. |
Bajou
Citizen
Username: Bajou
Post Number: 1792
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 6:25 pm: | |
How can you even conceive of bringing in a group that has been extremely controversial, has no legal power, no legal business, no permission by the legal authorities and not been requested by the majority. I mean really! Hey be a man and do what you said you do. Stop and take down the license plate numbers like you suggested. I confront them all the time and if it becomes a regular occurrence then the stuff will stop. Post flyers on the trees that say "Not all JOHN's are welcome in this Reservation" or something like that.
I know we are supposed to leave each other alone but man you are really out there sometimes.
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Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 2651
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 6:58 pm: | |
Bajou, why are you even talking to me? I mean honestly? |
CFA
Citizen
Username: Cfa
Post Number: 1707
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 9:14 pm: | |
Time for me to archive this topic. Enjoy. |
pcs81632
Citizen
Username: Pcs81632
Post Number: 145
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 10:30 pm: | |
CFA - I'm with you. Outta here on this topic. |
Maplewoody
Citizen
Username: Maplewoody
Post Number: 1357
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 10:50 pm: | |
Guys have been having sex in those woods for 40-50 years...
I've talked to some of the old timers that go there!
(.....I've seen some Hetero BJ action in cars and the woods, and do you hear me complaining?)
Some of the married guys can't take their tricks home
cos their whiney wives are there!
Alleygator, kids should not be playing in those woods...there are tons of ticks.
Haven't you seen any deer covered with them?
Get over it, and walk in Memorial park, or stay on the paved roads at SMR!
I wish Guardian Angels would patrol Elmwood/MIdland area
and catch the bastards that ripped my wired sidewalk light out...twice! |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 2653
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, September 8, 2006 - 11:03 pm: | |
You can't see deer ticks unless they are directly in front of your eyes. They are literally like the size of a pinhead. The dangerous ticks that spread lymes disease are dramatically smaller than the big brown ticks that we have all seen crawling on our own and our pets bodies. So you most certainly didn't see lyme disease ticks wriggling on any deer.
And that is precisely why we need those Guardian Angels. They could help patrol our forest land and track the license plate numbers of those lyme disease infested deer that fornicate in our precious woods...gasp...in front of our children's eyes. It's a travesty. I actually have a call into a Guardian Angel group based out of East Orange that says they could most certainly help us with our problem. We just need to gather up 40 signatures of MOL users posted in this thread that pledge to join them in their nightly patrols through the park in search of dangerous tricks and ticks. Are you in? For the safety of your children. Who's with me?!? |
Maplewoody
Citizen
Username: Maplewoody
Post Number: 1358
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, September 9, 2006 - 6:51 am: | |
Alleygater...get a hobby! |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1928
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 9, 2006 - 1:44 pm: | |
Kids shouldn't play in the woods because (a) they might get deer ticks and (b) they might witness two guys blowing each other... is that pretty much the argument? |
Peter G. Magic
Citizen
Username: Pmagic
Post Number: 215
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 9, 2006 - 10:50 pm: | |
I am for arresting the chipmunks and deer too. Treat everyone the same! Seriously, as one who has observed, the only exchanges of money seem to occur between the women and men. Yes, there is some prostitution but it is hetero.
The reservation has always seemed to attract a group of men who need the treatment program, Sexual Compulsives Anonymous. As someone previously mentioned, the same cars and men are there day after day. Many don't seem to care about who they are with and go off with every age, shape, and size but it is not prostitution. The police do make arrests and they usually catch the ones who are closest to the road and more likely to be viewed by the public. Also, as previously stated on the former reservation thread, when the police made a serious attempt to stop these behaviors, they only made things worse with phony entrapments and by accosting innocent men in a lewd manner who were merely out walking. The license plate idea is a good one. It certainly isn't illegal. But this has been going on at the reservation for decades and it would be very naive to think that it can be stopped by a group of concerned citizens. |
Peter G. Magic
Citizen
Username: Pmagic
Post Number: 216
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, September 9, 2006 - 11:09 pm: | |
None of the reservation is safe for children by themselves, but most is safe for a parent and children to walk. There is one area - between the road and the end of the circle where bodies have been dumped in garbage bags, there is use of drugs (Hemlock Falls), and there is sexual activity. Why not take the children walking beyond the circle on the side where the paved walking trail heads off toward Millburn/Summit? That is a vast area of reservation that doesn't suffer from the aforementioned problems. There is also Tulip Springs. Most of the reservation is safe for walking without the previously mentioned problems. |
MSO55
Citizen
Username: Mso55
Post Number: 25
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 1:12 am: | |
Peter-
What kind of drug use have you seen at Hemlock Falls? |
Peter G. Magic
Citizen
Username: Pmagic
Post Number: 217
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 8:05 am: | |
Mostly pot smokers though I have seen empty baggies. Also lots of used condoms. My wife and I hike through the reservation frequently. Hemlock Falls is an adolescent hangout during the Summer. Families also hike and park in that lot too. What I am suggesting is that for parents who don't want their children to observe undesirable behaviors, there are much better areas of the reservation for a hike. The area between South Orange Ave. and the circle may be pretty but it is also the area where most of the problem behaviors occur. |
Peter G. Magic
Citizen
Username: Pmagic
Post Number: 218
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 9:00 am: | |
Fortunately we have never come across any of the corpses or body parts left in plastic garbage bags. But it is reported that they are usually dropped off near the roadway. The last incident that I heard of was right across from Newstead. That would be the most disturbing thing for a child to come across. It obviously doesn't happen very often but is another compelling argument to avoid hiking with little ones through that area. If you park in the Hemlock Falls parking lot you can always hike downhill toward Millburn and avoid the area of concern. The reservation is vast and there are many areas to be explored that are just as nice without the problems. |
Sandi and Paul
Citizen
Username: Momsandi
Post Number: 127
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 11:17 am: | |
This is not an unusual problem for any area that has a big park. My brother is gay and he has told me that even Central Park has an area called "The Rambles" where there is sexual activity day and night. Most NYC residents who use the park know about the area and avoid it when with children. Boston has an area of park right by the Fenway Ball park. It is huge and the same kind of activity happens there. In Minneapolis there is a gay park with signs warning users to be aware that they could encounter nudity and/or sexual activity. I find that extreme. Elizabeth has Warinanco Park which is large and has only heterosexual sex at night time. Couples from Kean College used to go there after dark for sexual activity. I have friends who were guilty of this many years ago. |
MSO55
Citizen
Username: Mso55
Post Number: 26
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, September 10, 2006 - 9:03 pm: | |
I had heard that one area in the res was a popular meeting spot for serious drug deals. I'm glad that it's just kids smoking weed at the waterfall. That's one of my favorite spots in the reservation and I would be upset if i found out dangerous things go on there.
I've seen the adolescents smoking pot by Hemlock falls that you speak of quite a few times. I actually don't mind them. They're really friendly and polite when I walk by. Actually last time I was up there I asked a two kids smoking a joint for directions to an abandoned mill(Check it out! it's really cool!). They gave me good directions and actually told me to avoid certain trails because of the "skeevy men"(as they put it) that use those trails around dusk. |
Dego Diva
Citizen
Username: Fmingione
Post Number: 876
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 12:35 am: | |
There's a waterfall in the reservation? Wow, seems like the perfect spot to get hi and have some kinky sex! I am SO there!! Alley, are you with me? |
Alleygater
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 2661
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 12:52 am: | |
Sure Dego, but only if we can invite some skeevy men and some high school stoners along with us. I guess I like to watch and be watched...what can I say? You don't mind if SLicK joins us too though do you? |
Dego Diva
Citizen
Username: Fmingione
Post Number: 877
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 12:55 am: | |
No problem! Can we invite the Guardian Angels too? Men in red barrets... yum! |
Peter G. Magic
Citizen
Username: Pmagic
Post Number: 219
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 7:39 am: | |
MSO55 , although my wife and I have explored most of the reservation - and it is vast - we never came across the abandoned mill. Can you post directions? Thanks. Another area of the reservation that is often overlooked and very much unspoiled is below Newstead on the other side of South Orange Ave. (above Tulip
Springs). You can park along Glenside and walk down or even park at the lower parking lot at the entrance to the reservation. |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 882
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, September 11, 2006 - 8:46 pm: | |
Peter, maybe you should post a map of the rez indicating all the places that people with kids should stay away from. 
That's ridiculous. These idiots shouldn't be up there having sex in the open in broad daylight. |
Peter G. Magic
Citizen
Username: Pmagic
Post Number: 221
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 7:05 am: | |
All of the problems have been in one area for decades. It hasn't changed. When there are so many other acres why drag your children through the one area where there might be problems? I could see if the reservation was small but we are talking about hundreds of acres of mostly unspoiled forest. |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 883
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 10:00 am: | |
The point is many people don't know where these problem areas are located and I feel it is my right as a taxpayer to explore the reservations without having to fear stumbling across these idiots. It is not their right to have sex in public places.
Because it has been happening for decades is a very very lame excuse. Conflict in the Middle East has happened for decades, should we let that be? Slavery had been happening for decades, why did we stop that? Your logic is flawed. |
Mr. Big Poppa
Citizen
Username: Big_poppa
Post Number: 884
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 12, 2006 - 10:06 am: | |
The point is many people don't know where these problem areas are located and I feel it is my right as a taxpayer to explore the reservations without having to fear stumbling across these idiots. It is not their right to have sex in public places.
Because it has been happening for decades is a very very lame excuse. Conflict in the Middle East has happened for decades, should we let that be? Slavery had been happening for decades, why did we stop that? Your logic is flawed. |
