| Author | Message | ||
     Ken Scout Citizen Username: Lightningken Post Number: 168 Registered: 11-2005 |
Middle Aged woman, blue sedan.....Easily doing 40 mph on a neighborhood block on Berkeley Rd. on a Sunday morning (last week), pulled down the block so fast that she was in the oncoming traffic lane for the first 50 yards. Old original NJ Plates CUE-55E | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 4179 Registered: 5-2001  |
Instead of tattling here, why not just call your local PD and rat her out for real? Don't just whine about it on a message board -- file a complaint where it'll do some good. -s. | ||
| Ken Scout Citizen Username: Lightningken Post Number: 169 Registered: 11-2005 |
1. Nothing is more annoying than a reply like yours on Soapbox. By definition, Soapbox is for whining and complaining. To suggest you NOT do that, is to suggest the shutdown of the entire Soapbox. 2. What on earth is calling the Maplewood PD and reporting speeding going to accomplish? Without a cop witnessing and a radar gun, nothing can be prosecuted. | ||
| Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 8306 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ken: Soda is right in this case. You have the authority to file a citizen's complaint at the police station. Just be prepared to appear in court to report what you witnessed. Posting a license plate on this or any other message board will not lead to the driver of the car reducing her speed when she travels along your street. Reporting her license plate to the police just may have some positive affect. | ||
| The Man (est. 1904) Citizen Username: Mapleman Post Number: 672 Registered: 6-2004  |
I agree with Ken. Shaming the miscreants might have a salubrious effect on local driving mores. In my day, we practiced shunning of such offenders. I tell you, back in those days, many the young whippersnapper would take the horseless carriage out for a jaunt at speeds of upwards of 15 MPH! I tell you, it absolutely terrified the local livestock, not to mention small children, women, and the faint of heart! Yes, ostracizing was the preferred method of dealing with such codswallop. And to conduct a proper shunning, the person or persons must be identified in a public way. I see this electronic bulletin board as a right proper means of getting the shunning started. Bravo Ken! | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 3081 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ken is right as well. Soapbox is....well a soapbox. Joan is right too. Complain/shame here and try to follow-up with lodging a citizen's complaint. Why does it have to be all or nothing? | ||
| crabby Citizen Username: Crabbyappleton Post Number: 785 Registered: 1-2004 |
I like the public shaming thing. I'm going to follow suit, so watch out all you ordinance breakers!!! | ||
| K_soze Citizen Username: K_soze Post Number: 857 Registered: 11-2005  |
Get pics!! Get pics!! | ||
| Cougar86 Citizen Username: Cougar86 Post Number: 51 Registered: 3-2006 |
Stand on the side of the road and throw bananas at them.. | ||
| Carla Citizen Username: Elbowroom Post Number: 112 Registered: 9-2005  |
It was ME! And did it again today and I'll do it again tomorrow! Just call me lightningcarla! Kapow! | ||
| argon_smythe Citizen Username: Argon_smythe Post Number: 930 Registered: 5-2001 |
I love those old original license plates. I wish you could still get them. | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese  Post Number: 2272 Registered: 7-2004  |
I saw a brand new car a few days ago with an old license plate. It looked odd. Usually I see them attached to cars that are falling apart. | ||
| Jersey_Boy Citizen Username: Jersey_boy Post Number: 1809 Registered: 1-2006  |
Well anyone with THOSE plates is a New Jersey Driver. Unfortunately, in this case. J.B. | ||
| CFA Citizen Username: Cfa Post Number: 1700 Registered: 5-2001  |
How are you shaming the culprit by posting their plate number? Do you think people will look up the plate number or for that matter, can citizens look up plate numbers? Without a name, you're not shaming anyone. I remember many years ago somebody posting the addresses of homes that did not shovel their walkways. THAT was effective!!!!!!! | ||
| Alleygater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 2621 Registered: 10-2004 |
I think that is a great idea. Let's judge everyone and shame anyone that isn't as good as us. There isn't any snow on the ground. So let's shame our neighbors who don't mow their lawn. Or better yet, let's shame the guy on our block who has the roof that is falling apart it makes my house look bad. I don't care what the circumstances are, those are just excuses. If they can't afford to pay someone to shovel their walk, or mow their lawn or reroof their house well they shouldn't be living in our beautiful looking town. SHAME THEM!!! | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 15579 Registered: 1-2003  |
Can we do this to ugly people, too? | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 9412 Registered: 5-2001  |
Can I be on the Ugly Police Force? | ||
| ML Supporter Username: Ml1 Post Number: 3105 Registered: 5-2002  |
Shame, shame, shame...SHAME ON YOU!  | ||
| Mayor McCheese Supporter Username: Mayor_mccheese Post Number: 2273 Registered: 7-2004 |
You used to be able to send $10 in to some agancy in governemnt, probably the DMV, and get a name and address. All you had to do was send in the money with the plate number. I don't know if you can still do this though. | ||
| Alleygater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 2630 Registered: 10-2004 |
I don't know Tom, are you ready for the harsh critique? | ||
| Hoops Citizen Username: Hoops Post Number: 2109 Registered: 10-2004  |
some of us have no shame... | ||
| Ken Scout Citizen Username: Lightningken Post Number: 170 Registered: 11-2005 |
In reading these posts, I guess it holds true, than, that people would prefer to speed. I suppose it's why we're comfortable with 30,000 annual US auto related deaths (as compared to 11,000 annual gun related deaths over the same period). I find it very interesting that this bothered some people, and to those I have some questions: 1) Why do you find this similar to somebody posting addresses of people who don't shovel their driveway? Do you think the icy sidewalks is as much a public danger as roadway safety? 2) Is this a privacy issue to you, that I posted a real license plate number? Would you feel differently if I posted the description of somebody who I witnessed stealing a Bike from the train station? 3) Does a speeder have a right to privacy if they don't get nabbed by a cop? Did they escape with their deed, and therefore deserve to be let alone? 4) Tom, how is this in anyway similar to identifying local uggly people? I don't see the connection? | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 9415 Registered: 5-2001 |
Seriously, Ken - I'd think that you would be putting yourself at risk of some sort of legal action by the accused. You want to publicly identify people who are breaking the law (which is what speeding is). Unless you are standing there with some sort of radar aparatus, how do you know they are committing a crime? I'm not trying to be funny; people speed on my street all the time and I know it by how fast they are going. But I can't prove it. I'd be interested in what someone would say to you if you posted their information and called them a criminal. An icy sidewalk can be proven. A time-stamped photo is all it takes. Although, I don't know that I agree with that, either. I remember that many people on that thread confessed to not clearing their own sidewalks for various reasons (health, disability, etc) and were looking for someone to help them do it. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 12599 Registered: 5-2001 |
Maybe Maplewood needs a Committee of Vigilence. Nothing like some good old fashion vigilante justice. Does speeding, assuming the woman was speeding since no radar was used, deserve a lynching or just a tar and feathering? Seriously, you are better off going to the police and asking for more patrols and signage on your block. | ||
| LilLB Citizen Username: Lillb Post Number: 2389 Registered: 10-2002  |
Maybe we should call the Guardian Angels?  | ||
| Ken Scout Citizen Username: Lightningken Post Number: 171 Registered: 11-2005 |
Precisely what legal risk do you think I'm exposing myself to? I posted exactly what I saw, I'd say exactly that to a Police Officer, a Judge, a Newspaper, MOL. An eye-witness account is enought to prosecute a murder/burglary/rape.....you seem to think that reckless driving is excluded? Bob, I've been there already 2x this year. They now regularly post a Speeding Reading Board on our road. This seems to have the result of giving speeders the satisfaction of knowing their Odometer is correct. How are police officers to stop people who speed off of main roads? It's an improbable suggestion. Are we defensive of Speeders because we think it's a harmless crime? Is this simply a nuisance crime to you? Or do you think that an eyewitness account is not a valid account, and nowadays we need DNA evidence or bust? | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 9416 Registered: 5-2001 |
Eyewitness to what exactly? How fast was the person going? 26mph? 37mph? 42mph? What are the measurement points for the 55 yards? Did you measure? No one is defending speeders. Trust me; I live on a main street in town so I know the problem, perhaps even more than do you. What I'm questioning is the efficacy of your tactics and the judgement in posting something that you cannot substantiate. If you are the witness to a robbery, the actions that you describe are illegal in and of themselves. Driving is not illegal. All you can describe is driving. The rest (speed, lane variance, distance) are your opinion. If the owner of those plates sees this post, I'll bet you (and the Brothers Ross) hear about it. For that matter, what makes you think the owner was driving? | ||
| Ken Scout Citizen Username: Lightningken Post Number: 172 Registered: 11-2005 |
Hmmmmm....what robbery? What was stolen? How do you know the owner of that Cash wasnt the person who walked out with it? So what if they were wearing a Bright Green and Yellow Jacket....there's hundereds of them out there.....Was it this exact one the accused was wearing? Did you check the serial number? Sure, this person matches your description, but are you sure it's not a secret twin? Have you checked the DNA? You've watched way too many episodes of CSI/Law and Order. I've sat on a couple of Jury trials in my short uneventful life. I've also given my first-hand account to a number of Car accidents (for Police, and for insurance purposes).....witness testimony doesn't work that way. | ||
| CFA Citizen Username: Cfa Post Number: 1703 Registered: 5-2001 |
"short uneventful life" says it all...when you have as much life experience as greenetree (not saying you're old), then you'll have validity. | ||
| Marty Tuohy Supporter Username: Martyt Post Number: 99 Registered: 6-2002 |
Not much of an issue for posters using their real names, but I wonder if anonymous posters of "offending" license plates will agree to give up their anonymity if the owners of the identified license plates want to confront them? Interesting issue. | ||
| Alleygater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 2639 Registered: 10-2004 |
I think the Guardian Angels idea is an inspired idea, LilB. I already have a call into them about the rampant public orgies in the Reservation. I'll see if they have some free time to also police our streets to rid us of the scourge of speeding cars since our police clearly aren't responding to this DESPERATE AND URGENT MATTER. | ||
| Ken Scout Citizen Username: Lightningken Post Number: 173 Registered: 11-2005 |
I think this is an interesting response....white folks don't really want to be bothered when they are breaking the law (speeding) by their neighbor or by the local police (who here has thanked an officer for giving them a ticket??) Whitey would much rather have our police stop minorites from loitering around the High School and Springfield Ave. Heck, we're building a $20MM facility on Springfield to address just that..... in spite of the fact that you are more likely to be killed by a car in this town than you are to be killed as a victim of violent crime. | ||
| LilLB Citizen Username: Lillb Post Number: 2402 Registered: 10-2002 |
OOoooohhhhkaaaayy...now ya lost me. | ||
| SO Ref Citizen Username: So_refugee Post Number: 2223 Registered: 2-2005  |
Whitey? Is that any better than Darky? Or is racism a one-way street for you? The diversity of the area surely extends to the speeders of our area. I know I've witnessed blacks, whites and latinos speeding down our streets. | ||
| LilLB Citizen Username: Lillb Post Number: 2404 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ken has just insured that this thread will go on for at least another week........Ugh.  | ||
| The Man (est. 1904) Citizen Username: Mapleman Post Number: 673 Registered: 6-2004 |
Ken's on to us white folks. How he found out I don't know because the speeding white people's conspiracy meetings are supposed to be secret. | ||
| Alleygater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 2644 Registered: 10-2004 |
I haven't yet figured out Ken. I've seen some of his posts and thought, ok this poster has a brain. Then I see some of his responses to other people's challenges and I wonder what's up. I too saw whitey and though, huh, that's something that Glock would say. Now Glock I actually kinda get, he's off to college and often acts his age (about 12). Now Ken, I never thought was a youngun until someone in this thread questioned his age. Like, I said, I don't know what to make of the fella. | ||
| Stuart0628 Citizen Username: Stuart0628 Post Number: 333 Registered: 2-2003 |
Eddie Murphy covered this issue here. | ||
| Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 12611 Registered: 5-2001 |
Man, you will no longer be welcome at the White Citizens Council meetings!  Actually I think the chances of being murdered in Maplewood and being killed by a speeding car are pretty much the same, or there is a slightly greater chance of being murdered. Both are extremely rare. | ||
| LilLB Citizen Username: Lillb Post Number: 2407 Registered: 10-2002 |
Stuart - I almost posted the same thing. Immediately thought of that skit! | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 9436 Registered: 5-2001 |
You guys need to back off of Ken. One of my friend's father's name is "Whitey" (ok, I doubt that is his real name, but that's how I've always known him. I think it's actually a nickname based on his super-thick, white hair). Anyway, Whitey drives very fast. My friend complains constantly that he is going to have an accident. Maybe Ken saw my friend's father driving around town. | ||
| Robert Livingston Citizen Username: Rob_livingston Post Number: 2093 Registered: 7-2004  |
Comedian: Yo, check this out: black guys drive a car like this. [Leans back, as though his elbow were on the windowsill] Do, do, ch. Do-be-do, do-be-do-be-do. Yeah, but white guys, see, they drive a car like this. [Hunches forward, talks nasally] Dee-da-dee, a-dee-da-dee-da-dee-da-dee. [Audience howls with laughter] Homer: Ah ha ha, it's true, it's true! We're so lame! | ||
| Ken Scout Citizen Username: Lightningken Post Number: 174 Registered: 11-2005 |
800 auto related deaths in NJ alone last year. Yet my neighbor still rockets out their driveway backward at 20 mph without checking for the little kids. Everyone gets bent out of shape about crime/violence in the area, when our crime statistics are ridiculously low. I'd be interested in seeing how many Violent crime deaths there were in NJ last year, vs the 800 auto deaths? 200 have been attributed to excessive speeds. Number one most likely HS student killer???? cars. 20 years ago I saw a neighborhood kid hit by a car when he was on his bike....threw him 20 yards, and put him in a wheelchair for life. 25 years ago I was walking home from School (elementary school, if that helps date me...) when one of the kids walking with us was clipped by a car (residential road).....was in a coma 18 months before waking up, but never recovered the head injury (mentally). 6 kids I knew in HS were killed over a 4 year period....NOT BY DUI's....but in Car accidents due to high-speed, on their way to school. Rest assured, I'll never forget those morning announcements...... Maybe having young kids is making me relive these experiences, albeit with a different viewpoint. I find the relaxed, blaise approach about this both ignorant and insulting. I still don't know anyone who has been shot or killed. The stats support that observation. I'm surprised nobody cares. Everybody in Maplewood seems to care about getting shot or killed in this town though.... Thats all...drives me to post silly statements. I'm not a youth by all means....just younger (aledgedly) than Greenetree. And white as can be. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 15614 Registered: 1-2003 |
Ken Scout, I guess it's all about our preferences for HOW we'd like to be injured or killed. We don't fear getting hit by cars. Or maybe we just think it's a respectable way to get hurt or killed. However, murder or dying in an airplane, now that's unthinkable. So let's spend tons of money out of proportion to the risks of murder or plane crashes (or terrorism). But leave car deaths alone, because those are just a normal part of life. I guess. | ||
| Alleygater Citizen Username: Alleygater Post Number: 2649 Registered: 10-2004 |
I still don't get you Ken.  No one likes the speeders in town. We live at a crossroads of VERY MANY highways. People are often just DRIVING THROUGH. I see very many cars driving 40mph (estimating here) through regular residential streets (such as mine) where clearly the speed limit (even if it's NOT posted) is 25mph. None of us like it. However, the idea of taking down license plates is IMO a giant waste of time. Sorry. |
