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ReallyTrying
Citizen
Username: Reallytrying
Post Number: 216
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 10:56 am: |     |
With respect to the alerts and color-coding, I don't know what we, as regular, plain ole citizens, are supposed to do about them. Be on the alert? For what, exactly? I mean, I can see calling the cops over an unaccompanied package (and then feeling silly when it turns out to be some kid's lost lunch, but what the heck), but beyond that, I just don't know what these alerts and the colors mean. |
Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 158
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 10:58 am: | |
The five levels of terrorism alerts outlined by the Department of Homeland Security, as well as recommended government and private-sector responses:
RED: Severe risk of terrorist attacks.
--Assign emergency response personnel and preposition specially trained teams.
--Monitor, redirect or constrain transportation systems.
--Close public and government facilities.
--Increase or redirect personnel to address critical emergency needs.
ORANGE: High risk of terrorist attacks.
--Coordinate necessary security efforts with armed forces or law enforcement agencies.
--Take additional precaution at public events.
--Prepare to work at an alternate site or with a dispersed work force.
--Restrict access to essential personnel only.
YELLOW: Elevated condition. Significant risk of terrorist attacks.
--Increase surveillance of critical locations.
--Coordinate emergency plans with nearby jurisdictions.
--Assess further refinement of protective measures within the context of the current threat information.
--Implement, as appropriate, contingency and emergency response plans.
BLUE: Guarded condition. General risk of terrorist attack.
--Check communications with designated emergency response or command locations.
--Review and update emergency response procedures.
--Provide the public with necessary information.
GREEN: Low risk of terrorist attacks.
--Refine and exercise planned protective measures.
--Ensure emergency personnel receive training.
--Assess facilities for vulnerabilities and take measures to reduce them.
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Charles "Chuck" Howley
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 210
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:08 am: | |
Give me a break... "The world would be a better place if "taking a stand" was less important than discussing things to learn more."
Sure, so we should invite Bin Laden to an open forum to discuss his ideas of social reform so we can understand more clearly what he means...
Stop wasting time on focusing on both sides of every issue. Make a decision, that's what it means to be a leader. If you need more information, that's understandable, but sometimes (in the real world) you must make a choice and guess what, you might even be wrong, but you have to act. You cannot always sit down and make nice. |
1-2many
Citizen
Username: Wbg69
Post Number: 769
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:09 am: | |
ha, ha the two-week suspension, just in time for Christmas!!
straw brings up a few historical and editorial points that, despite his closed-mindedness and name-calling, bear responding to: (I don't know how to do the fancy quote box, just have plain ole text to help me)
His [OBL's] words and actions were of a concern to the Saudi Government because of his anti-establishment way.
huh? his "anti-establishment way"? even if this is true, what on earth does it mean, and what relevance does it have?
When the war kicked off and the Saudi's allowed us access to their runways, Bin laden became furious and began to publicly attack his government every chance he had.
um. OK.
This led to the decisoon to toss him from the country. That's how he settled in Afghanistan and that's why he began a decade long process of building terror camps and training terrorists. (emphasis added.)
well, nothing here actually answers the question of "why". what straw ignores in his narrative, is where the US comes into OBL's terror picture, and where the widespread hatred of the US originates. what straw also ignores, is that the "why" is tied, in the Muslim world, to Palestine.
in all the post-911 media and gov't hoopla, the question NEVER arose, of how did our foreign policy get us here. the only reference to that question, was noting that Israel lives like this every day. the media never picked up this thread, which next leads to, "yes, and if we stay in bed with Israel, the same way we have, we can expect to live like they do." instead we demonized this very large body of people (who we already pre-demonized, hence the initial suspicion after Oklahoma City was that mid-Easterners were responsible) as simply hating us for our Western ways. hello?! international attacks might be related to our international acts, and omissions. and they are.
fwiw, and so there's no confusion, I support the fence. I support Israel's continued existence. this does not mean I condone Israel's actions. |
Insite
Citizen
Username: Insite
Post Number: 166
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:16 am: | |
Bin laden blames the U.S. for Saudi Arabia's decison to boot him from his home land. That wasn't very hard 1 to 2 many. That's what led to Al Qaeda. Again, not very hard. 1 to 2 many.
Dave,
I find your banishment of a poster who defends Israel completely unacceptable. |
Dave Ross
Citizen
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5998
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:18 am: | |
I find personal attacks unacceptable. Nothing to do with Israel. To do with this message board. |
Insite
Citizen
Username: Insite
Post Number: 167
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:20 am: | |
Not so sure of that. |
Dave Ross
Citizen
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5999
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:21 am: | |
boring |
Insite
Citizen
Username: Insite
Post Number: 168
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:34 am: | |
Let's see Dave.
One of your posters says for a fact there's a direct connection between Al Qaeda and Israel.
Another poster completely discredits the connection and takes it a step further by demonstrating the real reason behind Al Qaeda.
Your response is to get rid of the poster who defended the Israeli people with facts, while keeping the anti-semite's voice alive. |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 1989
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:37 am: | |
Defending Israel (or making any other argument, for that matter) is better accomplished without personally attacking and insulting individuals having points of view with which you disagree. I would venture to guess that Straw's method of defending Israel has cost him support and has hurt his point of view. |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 2605
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:50 am: | |
Actually, it's quite easy to get suspended without ever mentioning Israel. Recently, Pierce Butler managed it (untimely use of "f-ing"), and new posters Mr. Schroeder (assorted potty-words) and Ms. Rother (Hitler reference, always a danger in discussion groups).
Some of the others had shorter suspensions, as first-timers. The latest two week suspension is probably due to (a) the suspendee's recidivism, and (b) Dave can take it easy until after the New Year.
Although I'm disappointed, since I had 12/27 in the pool, and Straw got himself suspended too soon. So, who won? |
1-2many
Citizen
Username: Wbg69
Post Number: 770
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:53 am: | |
so then what was that real reason straw demonstrated for us, for the real reason for al qaeda?
use of airstrips in Saudi? Saudi booting him? all his religious fervor and zeal, and that of his followers, is really displaced homesickness? or just childish anger? I don't think so.
this "explanation" is far too simplistic. if it's correct, it's only about 2-3% of the explanation.
and, the Israel-Palestine conflict is far too complex to be distilled to a pro- or anti-Semite translation of W's cowboy phrase, "you're either with us or against us". |
Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 300
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:54 am: | |
I'm a strong supporter of Israel. Are they always right ?, no, who is ?. I was much more a fan of Barak then I am of Sharon (as were most of the Israeli's I know) but Barak put himself on the line and Arafat blew it. When your getting blown up on a daily basis you tend to go for the hard ass (and no I'm not making any comparison's to W who I obviously don't like). Straw got the boot because he got emotional and personally attacked someone.
Straw made some good points (for once) but as I read it, I thought, aint gonna be hearing from him until after the new year. |
bobk
Citizen
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 4125
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 12:21 pm: | |
OBL in the various tapes, both video and audio, usually refers a number of times to "the Crusaders (meaning Christians, those dudes have a long memory) and the Jews."
The whole radical scene in the middle east is really hard to understand and is more like clan relationships than anything else. You can probably start with the Muslim Brotherhood which begot Hamas, etal and the violent branch of the Egyptian Brotherhood merged with AQ in the late 1990s.
Personally, I think OBL and the other groups hate all other religions and probably aren't very fond of many Muslims who don't share their radical views as well, which is probably why "reasonable" Muslim clerics are getting assasinated in Iraq.
Straw pretty much ignores me, although I have some nice conversations with his wife.  I think he considers me an unreconstructed anti-semite because I brought up the terrorist roots of Israel awhile ago. 
However, the post that got him banned was comparitively mild and just part of his shock jock persona.
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algebra2
Citizen
Username: Algebra2
Post Number: 1516
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 12:26 pm: | |
I miss Straw already. |
Duncan
Real Name
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1366
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 1:24 pm: | |
he is in the kitchen algy
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 215
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 1:40 pm: | |
Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 1:15 pm:
From notehead:----------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------
Um... Chuck, did I do something to offend you, or is there some other reason you're acting like a jerk?
So let me get this straight--personal attacks are o.k. as long as they are in question form??
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W. |
Charles "Chuck" Howley
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 213
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 1:47 pm: | |
Kenny, I'm surprised that you haven't learned the simple and consistent rules of MOL... |
Insite
Citizen
Username: Insite
Post Number: 169
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 2:05 pm: | |
The bottom line is this, 1 to 2 many has indicated nine-eleven is somehow or another directly linked to U.S. support of Israel.
This is an unacceptable explanation and I can't blame anyone who takes offense to it. |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 216
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 2:08 pm: | |
a test....I wonder if Straw did something to 1-2many or do you think there is another reason 1-2many is acting like a jerk??
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W. |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 799
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 2:09 pm: | |
Kenney, I'm surprised you haven't learned what actually comprises a personal attack.
Dave, please correct me if I am wrong (and by all means suspend me if I crossed the line), but I believe a personal attack is generally something in the form of "You are a _____."
Anyway, I have learned from far more MOL experience than either Kenney or Chuck have that "jerk" is not really on the suspension-earning tier. |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 217
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 2:21 pm: | |
So calling someone a 'jerk' does not constitute a personal attack?.......only in New Jersey....
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W. |
Addy
Citizen
Username: Addy
Post Number: 10
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 2:32 pm: | |
Perhaps I can help.
===============
Simile
Pronunciation: 'si-m&-(")lE
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin, comparison, from neuter of similis
Date: 14th century
: a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as (as in cheeks like roses) -- compare
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so Notehead was saying you are in fact not a jerk because the definition of a simile is to compare two UNLIKE things.
Is he like a jerk for doing that? I cannot answer... |
notehead
Citizen
Username: Notehead
Post Number: 800
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 2:41 pm: | |
Thank you, o snake of darkness.  |
algebra2
Citizen
Username: Algebra2
Post Number: 1517
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 3:00 pm: | |
BobK -- he doesn't ingnore his posts. He just doesn't want to "take on" someone he generally likes and respects.
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Charles "Chuck" Howley
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 216
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 3:03 pm: | |
For those of you who are wondering, or perhaps
unsure as to whether your posts are acceptable.
Consider how you might be different and maybe
kinder and gentler this coming year.
On occassion it might serve to try and please our
fellow posters, by admitting that you struggle and
frankly, you cannot agree with their logic.
Lately, some posters, and I know this to be true
in my case, and perhaps as well with Strawberry,
believe that we are singled out for our beliefs
extreme as they might seem to some. It may
result in our voices staying away from this place.
Ask yourself, is this what you want? Should you
listen to reason, even when you don't agree?
Why wait until the moderator chooses to silence
any poster whose comment that may be viewed as
contributing to or construed as being directed
knowingly at someone who doesn't share their
openminded views. Of course it is possible that
suspentions can be welcomed at times. |
algebra2
Citizen
Username: Algebra2
Post Number: 1519
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 3:24 pm: | |
Duh -- Bobk -- I meant: he doesn't ignore your posts. Too much wine at lunch. |
Insite
Citizen
Username: Insite
Post Number: 171
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 3:24 pm: | |
You gotta love MOL.
Bush backed economy making record gains.
Bush backed war on terror has U.S. government sharing info with each other in a matter never before seen.
Bush backed war in Iraq has taken down Saddam and led to Libya bowing down and giving up weapons.
Bush ratings at 59% approval rating and 50 % for handling of economy..
All is looking good for the Republicans.
(But, at least you finally got Strawberry...Maybe Rush will be next...
as The great one (Gleason not Straw) would say..hardy har har..
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Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 220
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 3:30 pm: | |
chuck,
maybe thats true but maybe it isnt.
anyway you look at it, sometimes you just dont know.
i think that people on the left and the right sometimes dont look at the other side of the tree often enough while those of us who see things sometimes on the left and sometimes from the right like to see things from the middle of the road.
hopefully, we dont get run over by a car, bus, or SUV...
while i am against SUV's, sometimes i think it is up to the individual to determine whether or not they should buy one
and sometimes i think the government should just tell people, "No, you can't have an SUV!"...
anyway you look at, the trees are going to die and our kids are going to be without twinkies because we just dont know what to believe...
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W. |
campbell29
Citizen
Username: Campbell29
Post Number: 58
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 4:05 pm: | |
Kenney- it is now time to stop poking a stick at the virtual beehive that is Maplewood online and go buy your wife something shiny and sparkly for Christmas. |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 221
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 4:08 pm: | |
Will do--I have the $40 burning a hole in my pocket!!!
The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W. |
tjohn
Citizen
Username: Tjohn
Post Number: 1990
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 8:03 pm: | |
Insite writes:
"The bottom line is this, 1 to 2 many has indicated nine-eleven is somehow or another directly linked to U.S. support of Israel.
This is an unacceptable explanation and I can't blame anyone who takes offense to it. "
Why is it an unacceptable explanation? |
Dr. Winston O'Boogie
Citizen
Username: Casey
Post Number: 404
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 1:39 pm: | |
Well folks,
it appears that the raising of the terror threat to Orange in time for the holidays may not be so coincidental after all. The White House informs us that Christmas is actually the one time of year in the U.S. when suspected terrorists are best able to blend in with their surroundings. |
mfpark
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 101
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 1:59 pm: | |
The comment is repeatedly made that Dean has no foreign relations experience, ergo he is not qualified to be president. What foreign relations experience did George W. have before he became President? Ronald Reagan? Jimmy Carter? Bill Clinton? FDR? On the other hand, look at the foreign relations experience of some of those who lost (Mondale, Steenson, George H.W. Bush, Ford until he became president as the last man standing in the Nixon years, etc.).
I am not saying that any or all of the above were good or bad at foreign relations, or that Dean would be any good at being President. I am just wondering why Karl Rove and lots of folks on MOL keep throwing this up as a negative. |
Addy
Citizen
Username: Addy
Post Number: 17
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 3:58 pm: | |
At this point it would be a pretty good idea to invade France. The only thing holding us back would, of course, be the smell. |
mfpark
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 104
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 4:38 pm: | |
Addy, are you Mem in drag? |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2510
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 4:42 pm: | |
mfpark,
Do you have a problem with being in drag? That's not very PC of you, is it?
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Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 118
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 8:34 pm: | |
One of Bush's biggest advantages is his leadership skills and this leadership team. He picked very experienced senior staff members and cabinet heads. Even if you don't like him you have to admit that he has highly qualified people in key roles, especially in the areaa of military strategy and foreign affairs--given our world this is a key criteria for election. |
United Strawberry of America
Citizen
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 1622
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 26, 2003 - 8:42 pm: | |
You better believe it buddy boy.
"We won't always have the strongest military"
--Howard Dean
"Most competent and qualified kindergarden teachers can tell you who the 5 kids are in his or her class likely to wind up in prison 15 - 20 years from now."
--Howard Dean
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