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Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 155
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 2:06 pm: |     |
Just keep watching MOL banners and you will eventually see my gift to you all.
Happy Holidays and a very prosperous 2004! |
Dave Ross
Citizen
Username: Dave
Post Number: 5993
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 2:10 pm: | |
Greeting card banners! What a concept! :-) |
Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 156
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 2:40 pm: | |
Kind of.... |
Charles "Chuck" Howley
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 205
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 9:16 am: | |
The Dow is up over 10,000. Productivity is up, yet Democrats are still whining about the economy. Desperation is an ugly thing. |
Duncan
Real Name
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1362
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 9:35 am: | |
quote:Desperation is an ugly thing
So too is gloating (warranted or not) "chuck"
But I expect you know little of humility
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky |
DrFalomar
Citizen
Username: Drfalomar
Post Number: 108
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 10:15 am: | |
The Dow is only a partial measure of the economy and not the best. More significant is unemployment, which remains way too high. This shows that are manufacturing is in the toilet and that we slowly stripping America of its consumers. |
Charles "Chuck" Howley
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 208
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 10:31 am: | |
Why should the fact that our economy is showing wonderful, positive and dramatic signs of improvement, (which is thought by many to be a direct result of policies brought forth and transacted by the Republican party in power) make you unhappy Duncan?
Why be humble during an election campaign? And don't fool yourself, the campaign has begun. Credit must be taken for successes brought about by key initiatives implemented. You are always poised and ready to point to the failures, so why not the successes? Are you that partisan? Gee, I guess so.
I am not gloating. I am presenting facts. You want gloating, let's see what we can do for you.
Yet, we continue to see numerous Democrats whine about the economy. They continue to say that its a "jobless recovery" and stuff like that. Can you not give credit where credit is due? Why reach to faind fault with the messenger? Is it because you cannot find fault with the messege? The truth? |
Duncan
Real Name
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1364
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 10:40 am: | |
Chucky.. who ever said it made me unhappy. Reading comprehension is lacking this morning.
The gloating is what I took issue with. I am thrilled that there is some economic improvement, but I also know that touting the creation of 150K jobs is bunk.. Cause that many jobs are created by people coming of age into the work force. For real improvement in the job situation look for 300K.
Sheesh.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky |
court07040
Citizen
Username: Court07040
Post Number: 23
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 10:53 am: | |
I dont care if the president is Republican or Democrat, so long as the economy is back on its feet. Anybody see this article from today's AP : "GDP Roars Ahead at 8.2 Percent in Q3". Happy Holidays, indeed! |
Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 157
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 10:56 am: | |
Actually Unemployment (at just 5.9% which is very low and is falling) is FAR FAR less significant than GDP, Personal income, Corporate profit, Inventory levels, and retail spending. All of which are doing INCREDIBLY well. GDP growth at 8.2% for last quarter is almost unheard of.
The economy is flying. Argue with Bush's policies all you want, but the economy is undeniably good. |
Charles "Chuck" Howley
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 211
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:10 am: | |
Duncan, will you then vote for Bush when 300K is reached? |
Jerseyfabulous
Citizen
Username: Jerseyfabulous
Post Number: 51
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:12 am: | |
"The U.S. economy, propelled by tax cuts and low interest rates, roared ahead at an 8.2 percent annual rate in the third quarter, the best showing in nearly 20 years, while Americans' incomes and spending both showed healthy gains in November"
Sounds positive to me. |
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 1516
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 1:24 pm: | |
Michael Janay, unemployment is significant if you're unemployed or underemployed. I've heard that the jobs will follow this reported increase in output. If this ends up being true, I'll be very happy.
Chuck, you're quite right that it's impossible to know if it's the government's policies that affect the economy (up or down) or just cycles. Whether you give credit or blame depends a lot on which side you butter your toast on.
Tom Reingold
There is nothing
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Duncan
Real Name
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1367
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 1:26 pm: | |
Re: Chuck's question....Certainly not on that fact alone.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky |
Michael Janay
Citizen
Username: Childprotect
Post Number: 159
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 2:44 pm: | |
Tom,
When discussing the economy we are talking about a macroeconomic view. Even when the economy was booming in 99-2000, the unemployment rate was still 4%. It will NEVER be 0. Today, unemployment is at 5.9% and dropping. The lowest it has been in the last 30 years is 4.0% in 2000. Thats a change of 1.9% from the 40 year low (which was an anomoly due to the tech boom). The Average unemployment rate during the 90's was 5.75% a 0.15% difference from today.
To put this in to perspective, Germany and France's rate is 9.4% |
Tom Reingold the prissy-pants
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 1519
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 2:58 pm: | |
Michael, I agree with your post of 2:44pm. A macroscopic view is useful, and 5.9% sounds good. Lower than 5% has bad effects.
But there are other things to look at. What jobs are being created? What jobs are going away? What is the nature of underemployment?
Are there readily available answers to these questions?
Tom Reingold
There is nothing
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Charles "Chuck" Howley
Citizen
Username: Cowboy
Post Number: 217
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 3:27 pm: | |
So, then precisely what might President Bush have to accomplish in order to obtain your vote Duncan?
And, please try to be honest and reasonable with your expectations.
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Duncan
Real Name
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 1368
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 3:45 pm: | |
Ah you presume that I am a liar. How nice of you.
Frankly there is little that Bush could do to garner my vote. I disagree with him and his approach to policy on many many levels. Not the least of which is the deep sense of betrayal at being fed a constant stream of lies to back a military operation, that while successful and one that I am ultimately happy with the outcome TO THIS POINT, was launched on a lie. His constant posing with people and programs only to gut them almost immediately (i.e. teach for america) just goes against my grain. I don't belive the guy when he speaks. The best speech he gave was the one on Sunday after Saddam had been captured. But just about every other time I hear him he polarizes the population. I have quoted this before and will take heat for it again I am sure but what GWB and his gang are doing is spreading fear..
quote: He is interested in two things, and two things only: making you afraid of it, and telling you who's to blame for it. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you win elections.
You gather a group, of middle-age, middle-class, middle-income voters who remember with longing an easier time, and you talk to them about family, and American values, and character, and then you wave an old photo of the President's girlfriend and you scream about patriotism and you tell them that she's to blame for their lot in life, and then you go on television, and you call her a whore.
with the obvious exception of the girfriend reference, this is what I feel is going on.
And really as a whole I can laud him for his successes (I, too was very glad to have him as president on September 12 2001) but I seriously take issue with his agenda. And frankly with the tone of most of his supporters, like yourself, who are have no patience for anyone who doesnt agree with them and make that known in usually incendiary, condescending discourse
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take"
Wayne Gretzky |
Addy
Citizen
Username: Addy
Post Number: 15
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 3:45 pm: | |
Hand power over to a Democrat maybe? |
Sylad
Citizen
Username: Sylad
Post Number: 109
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 4:29 pm: | |
Employment gains lag most other economic indicators. Cap Ex spending will increase in 2004 and that will cause employment gains. Consumer spending is responsible for most of the 2nd and 3rd quarter improvements and that will level off as business begin to spend, and that will include increased headcount, |
llama
Citizen
Username: Llama
Post Number: 393
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 7:11 pm: | |
Ignorance levels are higher than ever in this country. |
Insite
Citizen
Username: Insite
Post Number: 172
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 7:31 pm: | |
happy holidays Llama... |
Marvin Gardens
Citizen
Username: Marvin_gardens
Post Number: 47
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 8:07 pm: | |
How will American manufacturing ever get out of the toilet when Americans only want to buy cheap products that can't be manufactured here because all Americans want to earn too much money to manufacture them???
And how will the unemployment rate ever be accurate when most of those cheap products are sold at places like Wal-Mart that employ almost all the people on the planet, the majority of which the majority qualify for food stamps???
How can it ever get any better??? Nobody wants to do that work yet everybody wants inexpensive things??? I mean, if people don't even want to rake their own leaves in this town, how can you expect them to want to do slave labor so they can sit on some particle board furniture at a good price???
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Do Not Pass Go |
Kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 224
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 24, 2003 - 10:19 am: | |
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1 pound ground llama
1 teaspoon pepper
1 case Yakima Honey Weis beer
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The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today..FDR..
Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth...G.W.
Everyone wants a voice in human freedom. There's a fire burning inside of all us...L.W.
Did Dave Ross hit his head or is there another reason he is acting like a jerk? |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 2528
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 30, 2003 - 12:25 pm: | |
Here's why... |
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