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themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 2370
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 4:57 pm: |     |
Does anyone else have to use this system at work?
Does it suck as much as I think it sucks? Am I just stupid?
I can't believe this is one of the leading systems. |
dougw
Citizen
Username: Dougw
Post Number: 623
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 4:59 pm: | |
I can't believe you started a thread and it did not have a post to some long article. |
Thenewguy
Citizen
Username: Thenewguy
Post Number: 92
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 6:03 pm: | |
I hate SAP. It's used for our T&E system at work and it is a big pain. |
hch
Citizen
Username: Hch
Post Number: 185
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:02 pm: | |
SAP sucks.... one of the greatest business scams of all time. |
Lester Jacobs
Citizen
Username: Lester
Post Number: 56
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, December 19, 2005 - 9:35 pm: | |
SAP stands for "Sorry A*s Program". It has nearly bankrupted half the manufacturing companies I deal with. |
Earlster
Supporter
Username: Earlster
Post Number: 1410
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 11:37 am: | |
And it has made Weinheim, the small town in Germany where they put up their head quarters immensly rich. |
musicme
Citizen
Username: Musicme
Post Number: 1547
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2005 - 4:12 pm: | |
We use it for purchasing. Actually we don't use it for purchasing because it's so broken. Saves the company money because we can't spend anything.  |
Ignatius Flambeau
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Username: Flamecoach
Post Number: 42
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 12:32 pm: | |
Many of my friends have been involved in implementations of these ERP systems from Oracle, SAP, i2, Manugistics and others. Same story all the way around.
The last company I worked for had bought Oracle for $40 million. They then spent another $43 million in implementation, last I heard.
Of course, the "hook" to the sale was that they would "partner" with Oracle to develop the software, and it would meet the company's needs. Perfectly.
Of course, that day is still on the horizon, five years, two CTOs, and a whole bunch of fired IT people later.
I look forward to reading an actual story someday about one of these ERP systems that actually works as promised...on time, and on budget. |
JerryC
Citizen
Username: Jerryc
Post Number: 212
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 3:28 pm: | |
I worked for one company that spent millions transitioning to Oracle. Years later, they were still unable to get it to do the things that were promised so the new parent company (German) insited that they switch again to SAP. They are losing customers left and right because thay can't get it to work and orders are backed up to the rafters! Seems that these ERP systems are the scam of all scams. |
Innisowen
Citizen
Username: Innisowen
Post Number: 1109
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 4:34 pm: | |
The Big Four accounting and (formerly, with Deloitte's exception) consulting firms made tons of money in the late 90's and early 2000 doing faulty, incomplete, and often downright crappy installations of SAP and similar systems: poor work by mostly inexperienced rookies who were poorly supervised, developing poor specs and failing to understand the business needs of the companies where the system was being installed.
For large companies, the implementation costs were in the $200mm range.
Lousy ERP implementations are causing major pains to significant numbers of companies today and costing them more $ to rectify. Real cases of throwing good money after bad. |
Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 2981
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, December 23, 2005 - 5:46 pm: | |
SAP was the panacea for the restructuring of business operations in the late 90s. Companies were concerned about the year 2000 effect and SAP was touted as the best systems application cure. Companies were to conform to SAP rather than SAP comform to the companies operations. As Innisowen states, large corporations spent tons and the systems still don't provide for the seamless integration of business operations as promised. Depending on which door you enter into SAP, the answers will vary. It is very troubling to control.
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2056
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 24, 2005 - 11:29 pm: | |
Actually, all these ERP systems would work perfectly if every single company worked exactly the same. The problem is that no two companies do ANYTHING the same. So every piece of every module of each ERP system needs to be customized. for every single company using it. Which is why, as Innisowen says, the big consulting firms made literally billions installing and customizing the software packages.
Plus, none of the consultancies knew enough about the system to truly understand what it can do.
Most companies would have been better off building custom software from the ground up. They would have spent about the same, gotten exactly the software they wanted (well, close), and actually had people who could understand how the system worked. |
beppolina
Citizen
Username: Beppolina
Post Number: 125
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 9:08 am: | |
It's been a witless wonder at my company; four months after installation (and they, um, forgot to arrange for installation for remote workers) my dept. is still squabbling about who approves whom. there was a period of six weeks where nobody was reimbursed for anything. |
extuscan
Citizen
Username: Extuscan
Post Number: 561
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 8:02 pm: | |
I dunno, is there anything worse than a homegrown system? Our company bought out Corning Frequency Control, and they use some AS400 based program which was set up 20 year ago+ by a guy named Dave... and shockingly, they still have to employ Dave because he's the only one who knows what the hell he did. Its full of glitches and bizzare 'required field'. Its unsearchable. BLAAAHHHH. When we bought these guys out we had to hire two temps just to navigate the thing for us. Ofcourse they are all just out of college and never used a program requiring the F-keys to be used and no mouse allowed!
-John |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2065
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, December 26, 2005 - 11:13 pm: | |
Sometimes off the shelf is best, sometimes home grown is best, and sometimes customized is best. Depends on the situation. But if a company left themselves with a system in the shape you describe, look for more problems that just this system... |
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