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Fight the power
Citizen
Username: Tookiew
Post Number: 39
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 9:38 am: |     |
Lizziecat, are you asking me out? I know I've come across as desparate, but I hope not that desparate! |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
Citizen
Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 2853
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 9:50 am: | |
Tookie: I would say from reading your various posts that you are more "disparate" than "desperate". |
Tom Reingold
Supporter
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 11947
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 11:05 am: | |
tom wrote: marvin, two cars each going the limit of 25 hitting head-on is the equivalent of a crash into a wall at 50 mph. If McCheese was being a good citizen going 25 and the oncoming car was going 40, that's a 65 mph crash.
Not at all. It depends on many factors, including the shock absorbency of the cars and their relative masses. There are tons (pun intended) of factors that I could explain if I were a physicist.
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Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 787
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 11:53 am: | |
Marvin Gardens - perhaps instead of saying I could have died, I should have said that I could have been forced into a head on collision with another car going at least 25 MPH. Any way you slice it I am going to get hurt. |
marian
Citizen
Username: Marian
Post Number: 779
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 12:08 pm: | |
The 24-year-old ran the stop sign on West Parker trying to make a right on Maplewood Ave.
I was driving on Maplewood Ave. toward South Orange and had the right away. Everybody agreed she was at fault, including her insurance co., which hopefully raised her rates to holy hell. |
Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 5565
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 1:10 pm: | |
tookie is a troll.
Dont feed the trolls.
then it will change its name and try again.
Glad you are ok mayor. |
blackcat
Citizen
Username: Blackcat
Post Number: 466
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 1:13 pm: | |
Make your teenage driver take the road test in Newark, not Lodi or any other "safe" testing area. My niece failed the road test in Newark the first time she went to take it. The tester was quite mean-so she said. She really wanted to go to Lodi because her friends went there and said it was easier. I absolutely refused. I'm glad the person was mean. We don't need any more complacent, bad drivers on the road. Should they be nice to you when you do something wrong? NO! The person didn't yell at her, just told her to learn how to drive and then come back. Exactly what they should say. I saw one "tester" refuse to even start the test since both the "new" driver and the person they came with could not understand him when he asked for the proper credentials. And the best part of Newark...it takes place on the mean streets of Newark, potholes and all! |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4197
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 2:15 pm: | |
Tom, I suppose it's a little less damaging than hitting a wall*. So instead let's say it's equivalent to running into a parked car at 50 mph. OK, a parked car in neutral. With the emergency brake off.
Sheesh. Still not a pretty sight.
* a brick wall, that is. It would be worse than hitting a plasterboard wall. But how precise do you need to be? |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2192
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 3:04 pm: | |
<major drift>
If you hit a similarly-weighted car head on going the same speed as you in the opposite direction, it is essentially equivalent to hitting an unmovable wall at the same speed.
</major drift>
ObTopic:
I think it's insane that people get a full license after taking a test. I think you should get a probationary license after you take the test, and if you don't get a ticket after a year, you get a full license.
We should get retested every five years, and after any major accident ruled our fault. Yes, it would be expensive, but the savings in property and lives ruined would IMHO, outweigh the cost. |
blackcat
Citizen
Username: Blackcat
Post Number: 467
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 3:31 pm: | |
If you are under the age of 21-I believe-you are on a probationary license for at least a year. There are passenger restrictions and no driving after midnight. After that you can change it to a regular license, but they dont' remind of that. It is your responsibilty to do so otherwise you are held to those restrictions until the license is up for renewal in a few years. |
slipknot (slippy)
Citizen
Username: Zotts
Post Number: 215
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 3:52 pm: | |
A small aside, I need to get this off my chest.
To the •••-hole in the metalic blue BMW 5 series who blew threw the red light at Parker and Boyden this morning and missed slamming into my car by the grace of god. I hope you crash into a garbage truck next time. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 1106
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 4:37 pm: | |
Come on he didn’t miss you by the grace of God. He missed you because he’s a tremendously skilled driver (should be a professional stunt driver but his wife won’t let him) driving a high-performance machine. He was in complete control the whole time and you run-of-the-mill drivers just need to not get in his way. |
wolfy
Citizen
Username: Locowolfy
Post Number: 33
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 13, 2006 - 8:36 pm: | |
well golllllyeeee
maybe you were luckt to get out of, HER, CELL PHONE TALKIN< MAKE UP PUTTIN SELF!!! |
Marvin Gardens
Citizen
Username: Marvin_gardens
Post Number: 211
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 12:28 am: | |
Any way you slice it I am going to get hurt.
Then maybe you should slow down... |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4208
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 12:56 am: | |
slowing down isn't some kind of panacea for safety. The only moving collisions I've ever been in we were hit from behind. We should have been going faster! |
Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 789
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 1:47 am: | |
Right there on that block there are cars parked on both sides of the street. I was probably going under 25. |
CFA
Citizen
Username: Cfa
Post Number: 1545
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 2:03 am: | |
Truth be told, driving here in Palm Beach isn't all that bad. When we moved here last year, I thought the little old men and woman from Delray and Boca were going to drive me nuts, but it truly hasn't been all that bad.
The only infraction I saw so far was an older gentleman driving in the wrong direction on a 4 lane street and about to drive over an overpass. OYE! Talk about scary. He stopped his car, turned around and continued to drive in the proper direction. All of the other cars were very patient with him while he tried to do this. |
Starletta8
Supporter
Username: Starletta8
Post Number: 122
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 2:32 am: | |
I think that any sort of testing of a selected part of the population is a slippery slope.
So you want to test everyone over 65? OK, I'll accept the premise. But what about high-risk drivers? Young drivers? Those who have had accidents? Let's take it a step further... what about anyone who is handicapped? Or anyone that has a restriction (ie needs contacts) on their license?
When the elderly are discussed in the context of re-testing, many people don't seem to mind. But when you put it in terms of the disabled... it's discrimination.
So, I'm in favor of re-testing everyone every 3-5 years when you renew your license. Period. Driving is a privilege, but not a privilege that should be discriminatory.
Of course, that's too expensive and won't ever happen. |
Arnomation
Citizen
Username: Arnomation
Post Number: 451
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 11:16 am: | |
One thing that's always puzzled me is, if you don't have to be re-tested then what's the point of having to renew your license every few years? |
SO Ref
Citizen
Username: So_refugee
Post Number: 1441
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 15, 2006 - 11:22 am: | |
Revenue |
Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 6917
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 9:30 am: | |
There are persons driving motor vehicles today who either shouldn't be driving motor vehicles at all due to mental and/or physical conditions, some but not all of which can be (and often are) exacerbated by old (or older age). These persons should either be prohibited from driving or limited to driving under conditions which have been proven safe (or at least very much safer) for persons with their particular disability.
For example:
Persons with seriously failing eye sight should not be allowed to drive regardless of age. Being able to clearly see road conditions and surrounding vehicles is a requirement for safe driving.
Persons known to have medical conditions and or be on medication which impacts on their ability to remain alert and/or have an acceptable response time/reflex during the time period in which they are driving should be prevented from driving as long as the condition and/or the consumption of the medication persists. Being able to remain alert and to have an acceptable response time to potential hazards on the road are essential requirements for safe driving.
Those who have personality disorders which lead to excessive competitive behavior requiring them to drive at excessive speeds, cut off other drivers, tail gate, ignore stop signs, etc. should also be denied the right to drive as long as such compulsion remains uncontrolled because they are a menace to all of the other drivers around them.
I repeat, none of this is necessarily age-related. However, all of these conditions can and should be identifiable through proper licensing and follow-up examination.
The second group of people and often the more dangerous on the road, largely because unlike the first group, they are generally unaware of the potential menace to others that they pose when driving, are those who are distracting themselves while driving by talking on the cell phone or to fellow passengers, eating, grooming themselves, quieting down other passengers (human or canine), or simply assuming that a pedestrian or other vehicle is not already occupying the space they in their haste and/or distraction want to occupy without checking first to see whether the space is available to them. Such persons will likely pass any recertification test you are apt to throw at them. They know what they should be doing on the road and are quite capable of doing so under testing conditions but highly unlikely to demonstrate such good driving behavior on the roads. What would you propose we as a society do to keep such persons from diving while under the influence of their distractors?
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Pizzaz
Supporter
Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3059
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 9:41 am: | |
How about the woman in her 60s who never drove in her life before and decides to get a driver's license because of her husband's failing health. Now she knows she's as terrified of driving the car as anyone could be, but is so stubborn headed that she will not be told otherwise. She gets her license after multiple attempts on the road test, and turns into the worst imaginable driver.... the one that travels 5 miles per hour no matter where she is. What do you do about them? Health, eyesight, mental sharpness .... all within acceptable limits for driving......
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upondaroof
Citizen
Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 505
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 10:28 am: | |
"She gets her license after multiple attempts on the road test, and turns into the worst imaginable driver.... the one that travels 5 miles per hour no matter where she is. What do you do about them?"
Extremely frustrating, but speed limits are just that. We are not legally bound to travel at the posted speed, just not to exceed it. Unless a minimum speed is posted as well, you can pass them (if allowed), pull over and wait a few moments(maybe make that important cell call), or take a detour. If they are driving too slow in a minimum posted area, take down their tag number and report them to the local police. Generally, people that drive like slugs, only do so locally. They're too terrified to take a road trip. |
blackcat
Citizen
Username: Blackcat
Post Number: 469
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 11:09 am: | |
I find that people that drive like slugs also don't signal or stop at a red light. Never fails! |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10295
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 11:19 am: | |
Blackcat, I am with you on that. A couple of weeks ago I was driving south on Ridgewood and a woman pulled out of Baker in front of me, close enough so I had to brake. She then drove all the way to Millburn Avenue varying her speed between 15 and 20 mph and then ran the light at Ridgewood and Millburn amongst squealing of brakes and honking of horns. |
Pippi
Supporter
Username: Pippi
Post Number: 1657
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 11:51 am: | |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/01/18/teen.drivers.ap/index.html
interesting coda to this thread
Teen drivers involved in 1/3 of auto accidents |
Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2225
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 1:00 pm: | |
probably being reckless trying to get around old drivers going 5 mph...
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Fight the power
Citizen
Username: Tookiew
Post Number: 46
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 3:13 pm: | |
yeah, but teens grow out of it, hopefully. The oldies just rot more and more and never get better as drivers. |
Joe
Citizen
Username: Gonets
Post Number: 1124
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 3:17 pm: | |
You shouldn't be so dismissive of the elderly. Many of them are single. |
Pippi
Supporter
Username: Pippi
Post Number: 1660
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 3:27 pm: | |
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Rastro
Citizen
Username: Rastro
Post Number: 2232
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2006 - 4:25 pm: | |
Yes, but they're all over 35, and therefore losers.
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