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CLK
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Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2007
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 5:22 pm: | 
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I'm probably the last person in the known universe to have heard of this, but just in case -
www.pandora.com
This is a personalized "radio" service. You type in an artist/artists or song/songs that you like, and they find music like it. The matches are not based on sales or "if you like this, you probably also like that" type algorithms - instead, they have a gang of trained musicians who analyze thousands of songs according to musical criteria.
If they pick something you don't like, give it a thumbs-down, or if they pick something you really like, give it a thumbs-up, and it will help refine the choices it makes for you. It might choose very new music or old stuff, stuff you've heard of or stuff you'll be glad to know about.
I have tuned a primarily-folk station that I am thoroughly, 100% loving. I say it's primarily folk as it's looking at other things like acoustic guitar, strong vocals, narrative lyrics, etc. that are in most of the songs I've "approved." So it comes up with some surprises, but generally these surprises are pleasant ones.
I found out though that if you get too eclectic, it chokes - but you can tune up to 100 stations. So I have a "classic r&b station" as well as my folk station - I'll tune that later when I'm in the mood for that. |
\2{Monster}
Supporter
Username: Monster
Post Number: 2493
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 6:58 pm: |
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I like last-fm, and it integrates with iTunes (via Audioscrobbler) to my Last-fm profile, filling it with the music I listen to on. this way I hear more music according to my tastes, unless I want to listen to something else.
It also has the thumbs up/thumbs down feature. |
JazzMe
Citizen
Username: Jazzme
Post Number: 180
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 1:03 am: |
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Very Cool CLK, thanks! |
TomD
Citizen
Username: Tomd
Post Number: 381
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 1:32 pm: |
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It's awesome.
It's kind of pricy, but they can even hook it into the stereo...http://www.slimdevices.com/
Also, somone wrote an app that allows you to save all of the songs pandora plays.
http://jackinscoe.com/modules/news/ |
justmelaura
Citizen
Username: Justmelaura
Post Number: 443
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 1:49 pm: |
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Hey CLK. I love pandora too. Can I tap into your Folk Station? Or did you build it and is it only available to you? It seems we have the same tastes in music. |
CLK
Supporter
Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2030
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 6:33 pm: |
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justmelaura,
I have tuned two folk stations. I'm trying to tweak this one to play more traditional folk & celtic:
http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh18040235
And this one has some more rock influences:
http://www.pandora.com/?sc=sh17667829
I'm still tuning both of them, and some weird stuff shows up on occasion. I made some changes to my "favorites" station (the second one) that broke it yesterday, but I think I've managed to set it back the way I liked it.
Now you know you have to share yours, too. :-)
I'm also working on a Talking Heads-type station after a thread that showed up in Soapbox yesterday got me thinking about that ... |
Camnol
Citizen
Username: Camnol
Post Number: 280
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 7:05 pm: |
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That's really cool. Thanks, CLK!
I told it that I like the Indigo Girls, and it's coming up with great songs by artists I've never heard of.
I try to get more songs through iTunes, but I'm always overwhelmed by all the names of artists I don't know.
Very cool! |
Blew
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1348
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 9:47 pm: |
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You can share your stations, which rocks. I've been fine tuning two Electronic Stations one for frenetic electronica and another for laid-back electronica.
I think Pandora is getting better too. I've been using it for a while and the tools are more useful and I could be wrong but I think they are adding more music to the system slowly. I'm a huge Pandora fan.
Tom D how can I get the Jar file to work on my Mac? I so want to get that software to work. Hey Monster do you have any idea how to convert the JAR file into a functioning double-clickable Mac App?
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Monster©
Supporter
Username: Monster
Post Number: 2546
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 5:14 am: |
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The jar file is a file holding compressed files that the windows executable in the package calls on,
It Requires:
Microsoft .Net Framwork 1.1
Java Runtime Environment 5
Below you will find a list of files that are in compressed jar file, at the bottom is a list of the files/directories that are extracted from the jar file.
META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
Pandora$1.class
Pandora$2.class
Pandora$AccessFilter.class
Pandora$PlugtmpFilter.class
Pandora.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/Defines.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/UndersizedException.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/Configuration.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/ID3TagException.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/ID3V2Exception.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/DatamismatchException.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/facades/Wamp.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/ID3V2Tag.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTRCK.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTENC.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/ID3V2Frame.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/Helper.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/NotAnID3V2FrameException.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameCOMM.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTALB.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTCOP.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTIT2.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTOPE.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTPE1.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameWXXX.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTCOM.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTCON.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTYER.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/Header.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameFactory.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/DataSource.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/EncDescValFrame.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/ExtendedHeader.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FileFrameDataSource.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameAENC$1.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameAENC.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameAPIC.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameCOMR.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameENCR.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameEQUA$Adjustment.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameEQUA.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameETCO$EventTime.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameETCO.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameGEOB.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameIPLS.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameMCDI.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameOWNE$1.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameOWNE$2.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameOWNE.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FramePCNT.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FramePOPM.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FramePOSS.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameRBUF.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameRVRB.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameSYLT.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameSYTC.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameT$1.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameT$2.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameT.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTBPM.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTDAT.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTDLY.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTEXT.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTFLT.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTIME.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTIT1.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTIT3.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTKEY.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTLAN.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTLEN.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTMED.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTOAL.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTOFN.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTOLY.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTORY.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTOWN.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTPE2.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTPE3.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTPE4.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTPOS.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTPUB.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTRDA.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTRSN.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTRSO.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTSIZ.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTSRC.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTSSE.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameTXXX.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameUFID.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameUSER.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameUSLT.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameW.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameWCOM.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameWCOP.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameWOAF.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameWOAR.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameWOAS.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameWORS.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameWPAY.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/FrameWPUB.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/ID3V2FrameDefaultImpl.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/ID3V2Reader.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/ID3V2Writer.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/Languages.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/SeekPastEndException.class
de/ueberdosis/util/OutputCtr.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/gui/Id3JPanel.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/gui/Id3Panel.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/gui/EncDescValJPanel$1.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/gui/EncDescValJPanel.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/gui/event/UpdateListener.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/gui/event/UpdateEvent.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/datatypes/TimeCode.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/datatypes/TwoStrings.class
de/ueberdosis/mp3info/id3v2/datatypes/TextData.class
.classpath
.project
.rasPluginConfig
FramesNotImplementedYet.txt
create
getTitle.exe
created: META-INF/
extracted: META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
extracted: Adobe SVG 3.0 Installer Log
created: FairKeys-0.2/
extracted: FairKeys-0.2/AssemblyInfo.cs
extracted: FairKeys-0.2/FairKeys.cmbx
extracted: FairKeys-0.2/FairKeys.cs
extracted: FairKeys-0.2/FairKeys.exe
extracted: FairKeys-0.2/FairKeys.mdsx
extracted: FairKeys-0.2/FairKeys.prjx
extracted: FairKeys-0.2/FairStore.cs
extracted: FairKeys-0.2/make.sh
extracted: FairKeys-0.2/Makefile.FairKeys
extracted: FairKeys-0.2/Makefile.solution.FairKeys
extracted: index.html
extracted: pico.save
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TomD
Citizen
Username: Tomd
Post Number: 386
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 8:43 am: |
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I'm not sure why the java app requires .Net, but as long as it does I think Mac users are out of luck. |
Eponymous
Citizen
Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 140
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 11:29 am: |
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Why not just use the website and play the music that way? Works on my Mac. |
CLK
Supporter
Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2036
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 1:56 pm: |
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Eponymous, I think they're talking about a tool that allows you to (illegally) save the music to play later. This is contrary to Pandora's licensing, and as such I am confident that they'll close this hole very soon.
I feel about piracy the same way that I feel about shoplifting. Sure, they charge too much for music, but they charge too much for a lot of other things too. And you don't just walk into the store and walk out with stuff without paying.
The music I like often comes from struggling musicians recording with tiny little studios, so I don't have any problem with ensuring that they can continue to make a living. I want them to keep doing what they're doing after all. |
Blew
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1356
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 - 6:54 pm: |
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(steps on soap box)
CLK, no need to argue about music piracy here, but I KNOW WITH CERTAINTY if it wasn't for online music sharing I would not know about alot of music and THUS I would not have started to buy TONS of music.
Long story short before online music sharing (call it theft...I really don't mind) I bought about 2 or 4 albums a year. I knew almost nothing about music I liked, everything on the radio sucked and I was LITERALLY music illiterate. Then I started to find TONS of great music online and as soon as I did, I started buying 50 or more records per year. Say what you want about me STEALING, but I KNOW DEEP IN MY HEART AND SOUL, that the music industry is EARNING money from me that they wouldn't otherwise have. So arrest me if you must because it might TECHNICALLY be theft but I would think it stupid on their parts since they are earning money off of me that they wouldn't normally have.
(/steps off soapbox) |
CLK
Supporter
Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2038
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 9:35 am: |
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But Pandora does the same thing. It allows you to sample music, which you might consider buying (I already have my iTunes shopping cart filled up with songs I heard on Pandora).
i.e., if you like it on Pandora, go buy it. If for no other reason, stealing from them by using that Java applet will wreck their licensing agreements with the record companies, and therefore make Pandora go away. I wouldn't want that! (or they'll fix the hole somehow.)
As to file-sharing - I've heard that argument before, and if you feel OK doing it then I'm obviously not going to be able to talk you out of it. It feels to me like making justifications for your behavior, but that's my opinion and I'm not asking you to share it.
And please don't SHOUT at me, I have delicate ears.  |
Blew
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1361
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:03 am: |
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I use CAPS in replacement for Bold (because adding the begin and end bold tags gets tiring). I'm sorry if it came off as screaming, I meant it as emphasis only. Bold is ok right?
Pandora only works when I'm attached to the web. My iPod is NEVER attached to the web and I use it far more frequently than I use Pandora. I personally don't care for the iTunes music store for my own personal reasons and generally wouldn't bother buying my music online. Not when I can just as easily buy a cd and have no issues regarding copy protection (which affect what devices I can play my music on because only iPods can play Apple MP4 AAC files which you get at the Apple Music Store). Also if I own the cd, I get the literature that comes with it, a permanent physical device where I can create multiple sized files (of varying quality settings) all easily and with no loss of quality. I'm not saying music bought at the Apple Store is inherently evil (although I'm clearly not a fan of proprietary file formats and copy-protection) but I haven't needed it thus far, and as I said, I buy a lot of music now.
Next thing is that Java applet doesn't steal any music. It renames the files on your hard drive, with the proper id3 tags that are missing from the files that are already on your computer. Sure this argument is akin to crack pipes aren't illegal it's the crack that is legislated. But it's true, the program isn't doing anything illegal...the person who then keeps the files is doing the thing that is illegal.
Also keep in mind that Pandora has no control over this matter. They are using a technology (FLASH) that has no solution for the thing that they are trying to do. Stream Audio securely. Flash Streaming server only works with Video files not Audio. As soon as Macromedia adds this functionality this "hole" will be plugged. Simple as that. It might be a weak argument, but I wonder if Pandora is to blame for providing a service that they have no control over. They used a technology that they was inappropriate for the task at hand (provided that the task requires security). I would call that EXTREMELY irresponsible on their part, especially given all the furor around music piracy. If ALL banks decided to leave their doors open, who are you going to blame the bank or the thief who stole all of your money? Sure the thief is ultimately responsible, but I KNOW you will also never use that bank again, and you will probably sue the banks behinds off. The files exist on your hard drive. They shouldn't. Streaming technology exists to make sure that the files never exist on your hd. Use the right technology for the job or don't be surprised that stuff like this happens.
Call my theft justification if you want, but to me I know that the music industry is doing many things horribly wrong. The fact that I can't find and don't know about the music that interests me is actually their faults. At least people who like pop music can turn on the radio. With the recording industry guilty of paying off the radio stations (we all knew they were, c'mon) it doesn't surprise me that they are out of touch with what modern music lovers want and need. And to reiterate my earlier point if I wasn't stealing it, I wouldn't be buying it. I wouldn't. I swear. I know from experience.
I'm sorry, I'm too lazy to uncap those few words. Just substitute bolds. My apologies for that again. |
Pippi
Supporter
Username: Pippi
Post Number: 1947
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 10:36 am: |
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CLK - I'm hooked! what a great way to be introduced to new/different music.
Thanks! |
CLK
Supporter
Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2039
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 3:40 pm: |
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Blew ...
'K honey. You do things your way, I'll do them my way. Just as long as we're grooving to good music and we're making sure the artists get paid.
Pippi and the rest who said thanks, you're welcome! My only wistful wish is that I could put this on in the car, as Blew does with his otherwise-gotten music. Ah well, that's why God made audiobooks. |
Blew
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1369
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 3:47 pm: |
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I guess you'll just have to trust me, there is MUCH better chance that the artist will get paid (from my money) if I'm stealing music. Might not be that way for other people...but it DEFINITELY is true for me.
As for getting this music in your car, I think your SOL until they work out an internet connection to your car. The technology is here now, but it's not cheap or ubiquitous, yet. However, give it some time. It's right around the corner, I suspect. |
Eponymous
Citizen
Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 143
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 20, 2006 - 11:29 pm: |
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Blew,
There are apps that can record any sound that gets played on your computer, so it doesn't matter what the content providers do. You can always steal streamed sound.
And I hear those analog recording devices work well too. 
(Oh, and there's no such thing as hooking up your iPod to the web.  ) |
Blew
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1374
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 7:49 am: |
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Ep: Your two suggestions re-compresses (with a loss in quality) the audio. I know about both options and use them when needed. Pandora doesn't need it and it is of higher quality...and it's easier. |
Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6020
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 9:35 am: |
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totally off topic but Blew...it looks like your bloo guy is taking a crap everytime he does his shimmy..
now carry on
By the way I love Pandora too! |
Blew
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1375
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 9:38 am: |
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Ep: Itunes connects to the internet to allow you to buy music from the Apple Store and get track names to cds you rip. That is all. So it's true the ipod doesn't actually connect to the internet, itunes does (or some other file sharing app, or in this case a streaming audio radio station). |
Blew
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1376
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 9:40 am: |
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Duncan, it wasn't my most successful Photoshop job, but the idea was to make Bloo poop. It is to go along with my Quarterhorse pooping icon. I've been on a make Monster's icon poop kick lately. So I'm glad you "got it" that the little guy is pooping but I don't actually like this icon, I might have to switch to the horse one again. |
justmelaura
Citizen
Username: Justmelaura
Post Number: 453
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 11:42 am: |
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Hey CLK
I finally have had a chance to listen to your stations. They are now my favs. I didn't realize that you could fine tune the stations, so I am just playing with that feature. When I get a few stations going, I will share them with you.
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CLK
Supporter
Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2052
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 12:53 pm: |
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justmelaura,
Cool! That really makes my day. Yes, please share yours when you get them set up!! |
I'm Only Sleeping
Citizen
Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 141
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 1:01 pm: |
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Blew, your justification doesn't really hold up. Sure, maybe the industry is making more money off of you, but you're hardly typical, and sales have pummeted dramatically in the age of file sharing.
But that's irrelevent. The real point is that it's not up to you to decide what's good for artists. If they (or their label) believe giving music away for free is beneficial to them, then they'll do it. But for you to steal it and then tell them it's okay because it benefits them just isn't right. It's just not your call--any more than it would be to steal a pint of ice cream from a store and give samples to your friends on the grounds that they all buy more ice cream as a result. If the store wants to give away free samples, great. But if not, you don't get to just decide to take your own. |
Blew
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1383
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 1:19 pm: |
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I'm only: I don't think the industry knows what they are doing. That's all. They were slow to embrace technology. They point their fingers at file sharing because they need a scapegoat for their own ineptitude. They overpriced their products and manipulated the market with their idiotic machinations. The world changed, and they didn't keep up. Now as they hemmorage money for their years of bad choices they need to explain it somehow. Voila, filesharing.
They claimed that digital music was evil and couldn't earn them money...yeah until Apple showed them that they were wrong. The music industry has their heads up their behinds. And going after 12 year olds and making their parents pay thousands of dollars for filesharing just makes the recording industry look like idiots.
Does any of this justify my stealing? Probably not. But I do see how there is a serious problem with the music industry. One that has NOT been solved. The music industry caused this problem. Own up to it and solve the problem is what I say.
Stop overcharging us for music that costs pennies. Provide and market more diverse music. Provide the music in formats that people want. Stop treating everyone like criminals. Stop manipulating the radio stations to play garbage. I could go on and on and on.
You state that I am hardly typical. How do you know that? Have you done research? Also, I am only justifying MY actions. I am not justifying other people's, since I know not what they do or why they do them. I am just providing another way to look at the situation. You can choose to paint the world as good and bad if you want to. While your at it feel free to lump me in with the bad. I can go to sleep at night though. No worries. |
I'm Only Sleeping
Citizen
Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 142
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 1:29 pm: |
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You have a weird way of looking at things. Why do YOU get to decide how the music business should operate? Why do YOU get to decide how much music should cost? Maybe you don't like the way things are, and maybe you're right. But I don't see how disagreeing with artists/labels justifies stealing from them.
And as you point out, it's quite easy to download legally from iTunes. Do you always check to see if stuff is available legally before you steal it? Unless you're scrupulous about buying stuff that is available, then your paper-thin argument gets even flimsier. |
Blew
Citizen
Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1386
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 3:18 pm: |
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I'm Only: is it pick on me time? I hate pious people. When you've done no wrong feel free to come back and throw stones at me.
I don't get to choose how any industry does things. They do what they want. I was just making an observation that the industry has let down it's consumers so it doesn't surprise me that people are doing things in different ways.
I feel comfortable with my decisions. If you don't like my argument then don't subscribe to them. Some people are perfect, never break the laws, go to church every Sunday, and their poop doesn't stink. I'm not one of those people however. |
I'm Only Sleeping
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Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 144
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 3:28 pm: |
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Oh, give me a break. Nobody's "picking" on you, and I'm not being pious. This is a discussion board, and we're having a discussion. I happen not to believe in stealing, and I don't see any reason not to speak my mind. Does that mean I think I'm "perfect"? Of course not. It's amazing how people resort to personal attacks when their arguments start to break down.
For the record, my poop definitely stinks, as my wife will attest. |
Eponymous
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Username: Eponymous
Post Number: 144
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 - 6:30 pm: |
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Blew,
True enough that analog is going to lose you more quality, but if one is worried about people stealing music, there's no stopping it. A good analog recording of a good digital feed can be better quality than FM radio, which is good enough for many. Look how well bootlegged movies do.
Recording via something on your computer doesn't have to introduce anymore compression than already exists. You can save your as something non-lossy, like aiff. |
Blew
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1390
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 - 2:03 am: |
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Every generation of compression, decompression, re-recording (even lossless) is another chance for noise and errors to enter your audio. But I agree you can capture a high quality audio stream and it will often sound totally fine. |
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