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taam
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Username: Taam
Post Number: 107
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 10:06 pm: | 
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great movie. i've missed spike. he's one of a kind. but more importantly...why didn't they choose clive owen to be the next bond...james...bond? |
gtonne
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Username: Gtonne
Post Number: 95
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 26, 2006 - 10:21 pm: |
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I believe he turned it down. Can't wait to see Inside Man, though. |
SOSully
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Username: Sullymw
Post Number: 1199
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, March 27, 2006 - 9:14 am: |
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i saw the movie and really liked it. I wonder if anyone else noticed that all of the "perps" wore t-shirts under their jumpsuits while the victims all had to strip. In particular, the male victims all were bare-chested but the perps all had t-shirts on which would have made them easy to identify. Was this a continuity mistake? |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13376
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 3:49 pm: |
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Perhaps it was a mistake.
I noticed a few technical flaws, but I think I shouldn't divulge them, because it could ruin the film for those who haven't seen it yet.
I liked the movie a lot, especially for the fact that it was suspenseful at every single moment. Quite a feat!
Also, my wife's cousin is Samantha Ivers, who played Nancy Mann, the Italian-looking large-breasted woman who wouldn't get off her cell phone. This was her first movie, and it's very exciting that she got such a big role.
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SOSully
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Username: Sullymw
Post Number: 1210
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 3:55 pm: |
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bring on the technical flaws...people who haven't seen the movie probably wouldn't read this thread. Your cousin-in-law was very good. Do you have a phone #?  |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13377
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:00 pm: |
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I got huh phone numba and you ain't gettin it.
SPOILER ALERT. If you plan to see this film, read no further.
For one, the bad guys were jamming the cops' bugging device with a decoy conversation. How did they know what frequency the cops would be listening on?
I can't remember the one or two others. I'll remember later.
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ffof
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Username: Ffof
Post Number: 4626
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:01 pm: |
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I would never have thought of that. Too much else to take in. |
SOSully
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Username: Sullymw
Post Number: 1211
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:03 pm: |
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I know there was a scene where they had dismantled a bugging device. Maybe it's possible to determine the frequency once you dismantle it? |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13378
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:05 pm: |
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That would be hard unless you have a scanner, and even then, it would take a long time and lots of patience to scan many frequencies on many bands. In other words, it's impracticable, especially in that scenario.
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aquaman
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Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 829
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:07 pm: |
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Tom,
Excuse me? Jamming the frequency with a decoy conversation? They were simply playing a MP3 on an ipod in a docking station. The mic simply picked up the audio.
The "flaw" may have been your looking for flaws that aren't there. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13379
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:09 pm: |
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I wasn't looking. It struck me wrong. Maybe I missed something, though. Did you see the cops' bugging device, and are you saying it was an ipod?
I don't see a flaw in looking for flaws. They stick out at me often. Maybe they do for SOSully, too.
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Bill P
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Username: Mrincredible
Post Number: 812
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:17 pm: |
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No, the robbers had found the cop's bugging device, which was a simple audio bug. They put it on the table next to an iPod which was playing the decoy conversation. Kind of like putting your phone next to the radio to pretend you've put someone on hold. 
Loved the movie. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13381
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:24 pm: |
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Wow, somehow, I missed that.
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SOSully
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Username: Sullymw
Post Number: 1212
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:24 pm: |
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yes, I think that is what happened. and I do like to find the flaws. it's a hobby. I found a cool one in "Walk the Line". Joaquin Phoenix wears a Hanes T-shirt during Mr. Cash's early years with the heat-transfer label that they started using just a few years ago.
The t-shirt flaw in Inside Man was very blatant I thought because they made such a huge deal of making all of them dress alike, but the perps were obviously dressed differently.
I guess I have a thing for t-shirts  |
aquaman
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Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 830
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:29 pm: |
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No, Tom, the cops planted a hidden microphone in the pizza boxes. Remember? The bad guys knew that trick, so in order to delay for time, they sent the cops on a wild goose chase by playing the albanian speeches out loud in the pizza-eatin' room. It was an ipod docking station. Remember?
It could as easily have been 1010 WINS on the radio, but that wouldn't have stalled the cops. Clever.
Also, your cousin in law was one of the bad guys. (You got that right?)
So was the woman who wouldn't disrobe, and the Rabbi, and that Fred guy who was "beat up" behind the beveled glass partition. They were in on the scheme.
And the bad guys may not have been the bad guys after all.
The crime was perfect.
I do have a beef with the plot though, maybe you can help me out this. After all the hooded guys were interviewed, the cops determined the bad guys simply vanished? There were no cadaver-sniffing dogs? Or the smell of fresh plaster and paint? Or not one supplies clerk noticed a smaller room? Small beef, but I was looking for one. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13383
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:38 pm: |
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No, my cousin-in-law's character was mistaken for the bad gal who was also large-breasted.
How far does an ipod docking station's signal go?
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aquaman
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Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 831
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:43 pm: |
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No no SHE WAS the large breasted bad guy. She was on her phone being conspicuously loud on purpose. So people would notice her and remember that she was not part of the gang of painters. Clever. Have her explain it to you via email, then post her message here.
How far does an ipod signal go? Tom, it's a docking station that you place your ipod in. Instead of hip white ear-buds, you hear the mp3's via speakers on the dock. How far does the signal go? Depends on how high the volume button is set. |
Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13384
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 4:44 pm: |
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Right. Duh. Never mind.
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Tom Reingold
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Username: Noglider
Post Number: 13387
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 5:14 pm: |
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Anyway, no, my cousin-in-law was the brown haired woman, and the bad gal was the black haired woman.
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Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3201
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 8:08 am: |
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Gotta say I was a bit disappointed with the movie. Had high expectations--Spike, Denzel, Jodie, plus a good heist theme--and it was a very well made movie with lots of good scenes and some good suspense.
But it also felt incomplete, rushed--not like the best Spike Lee films where every note is just right. There were huge credibility gaps.
*The t-shirt tip-off was one sloppy part.
*I thought the Jodie Foster character was very poorly written and not integrated into the plot very well. It felt like a huge portion of her backstory was left on the cutting room floor.
*Willem Dafoe's character also was weakly developed and barely used to effect.
*I have worked closely with the NYPD on high-level security, and I can tell you for certain that in a hostage situation like this one the Commissioner and about a dozen Chiefs would have been all over it all the time--they would never let Dafoe and Denzel run the show like that.
*As Aquadude pointed out, it is also inconceivable that they did not bring in dogs afterwards--at least drug and bomb-sniffers--which would likely have found the crawlspace.
More substantively, perhaps I missed it, but how did the Inside Man know about the safe deposit box and the ring? I can see how he may have tripped to the Nazi collaboration, and even found out about the ring, but to know it was in that safe deposit box? One friend thought there was another inside man--say, the Bank Manager--but how would he know when even Bank Managers can't access safe deposit boxes. You lose your key, they have to drill the lock. Beyond this, as soon as the hostage situation was over, why didn't the Bank Pres simply get his jewels and ring out of the box? He knew that it was compromised (they showed the paperwork to Jodie)--you would think he would have checked immediately and then got that stuff out of there ASAP.
Most movies, I would have overlooked these items, but this one was good enough, with enough strong support, that they stood out for me. |
aquaman
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Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 833
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 8:33 am: |
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Panda,
Splain this one to me....
Christopher Plummer (years after fleeing Nazis over the hills that were alive with the sound of music) collaborated with said Nazis to steal baubles from wealthy Jews. Despicable to say the least. But he had a document that was kept in the safe. That document was extremely valuable (could cost him his fortune, that is.) What the hell was the document, a thank-you note from Himmler? A Proclamation of Gratitude from Der Fuhrer? A contractual agreement to share in the plundering of the genocide of the Jewish people? Whatever it was, wouldn't he have been better off burning it in his Webber? Or feeding his favorite shredder? Aquaman was like...huh?
Or this...
Denzel discovers a diamond in his pocket, a calling card from the Inside Man. He realizes the IM planted it during the bump on the way out of the bank, and instead of checking the bank's interior video, exterior video, and other buildings exterior videos to capture a vehicle description, he keeps the diamond for an engagement ring??? A stolen Nazi diamond????
Tom, I like my version better. Big boobs were focused on to show she was on the inside. Otherwise, Spike displayed the boobs to show what? That there were more than one pair of big boobs? To confuse us? No no no. She colored her hair a week later at the pickup. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 4631
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 8:37 am: |
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My guess is he didn't go in to get his jewels because he knew the inside man would have taken everything already, BUT MORE SO he was worried about the paper proving he was a Nazi.
I figure the inside men knew about the jewels' existence somehow because of the jewish jeweler connection. And the Inside Man (used to work for the bank?) so he knew that number 392 (or whatever the number was) was missing. |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 4632
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 8:40 am: |
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oh aquaman, so clever - what could that paper have said that he needed to keep it? |
Eats Shoots & Leaves
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Username: Mfpark
Post Number: 3204
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 10:51 am: |
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Aquaeous One--I agree with you--that was another problem I had with it. Why keep the paper around; heck, why keep the ring around if it was traceable? Why not have the diamond recut, or even simply toss it out since he is incredibly wealthy anyhow.
ffof--that is exactly the problem. The movie left too many suppositions up to the viewer. I hate movies that spell everything out for you, but in this one the knowledge of the inside guy needed some more explication to make any sense.
And I still wonder why Jodie Foster's character was in the movie at all. |
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