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Alleygater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1525
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 6:09 pm: | 
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Thanks Ess.
How about De La Sol - The Magic Number (the first track is a short talking introduction track) |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14842
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 6:51 pm: |
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Duncan,
Regarding Who Came First ('72): Pure and Easy was something that he had demoed for The Who over a year earlier during the Lifehouse project. In fact, The Who performed the song at the Young Vic Theatre in 1971. It can be found on the deluxe edition of the Who's Next CD (CD2) - a concert that is just a killer although the experience lead Pete to the psycho ward for a while. Young Man Blues at the Young Vic blows away the Live at Leeds performance. And it's incredible to hear them play Won't Get Fooled Again and the other tracks that ended up on Who's Next before an audience who had never heard these songs before.
In addition, Who Came First was actually cobbled together by his record company after the success of two Meher Baba records that were put out in 1970 and 1972 (I Am and Happy Birthday) which included most of the same songs. Not content to watch Pete's profits go elsewhere, they rushed out Who Came First...
Man I love those records. I have a couple of sealed copies of WHC and the Meher Baba records.
What a shame that CDs came along and ruined the world of LPs. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14843
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 7:02 pm: |
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Dawny,
Actually, it wasn't Page's song. It belonged to a guy named Jake Holmes who performed it in the Village in 1967 at a show where the Yardbirds (version 3 that is) were watching on. Page was so taken with the song that he sort of, um, well, STOLE IT.
The Yardbirds with Relf then began to perform it and Jimmy kept it in his repetoire when he formed Led Zeppelin.
Eddie Phillips was a guitarist with a group called The Creation. If you ever saw the movie Rushmore, you've heard The Creation.
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Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6117
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 8:38 pm: |
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Man, don't mess with Sbenois when it comes to technicalities. 
Most of the lifehouse project stuff ended up elsewhere, most notably on Baba O'Reily and in Psychoderlect. But I was just trying to keep it simple but man, you are the boss. Not that boss mind you, but theboss.
Those discs in cellophane you will be able to retire on. Don't ever invite me over to your house. EVER  } |
Brett Weir
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Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1408
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 8:48 pm: |
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Duncan- I think Van Halen's first cut was a cover of "You're No Good". Second cut should have been first- "Dance the Night Away". Still my favorite VH song.
Tuff Enuf- Fabulous T-Birds |
Carl Thompson
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Username: Topcat
Post Number: 196
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 9:58 pm: |
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How about Brother John Sinclair's talking intro on the Kick Out the Jams album? Does that count as a first cut by itself? If so, I think it should be added to the list and maybe lead off Joe R's mix. (If not, I'm not sure I'd offer up the song Ramblin' Rose as a dynamite example for this exercise. It's OK, but it's no Kick Out the Jams, which is the second song on the album.)
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sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14844
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 31, 2006 - 11:59 pm: |
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Duncan, do you have a copy of The Kids Are Alright on DVD? |
Arnomation
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Username: Arnomation
Post Number: 521
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 1:17 am: |
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I Feel Free - Cream
Planet Claire - B-52's
Foreigner- Feels Like The First Time
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Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6118
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 8:59 am: |
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Brett-- Van Halen's debut album called Van Halen came out in 78 and Runnin with the Devil was indeed the first cut. You are thinking of their second album, Van Halen II.
And Sbenois, I don't have Kids Are Alright on DVD, but thanks for indirectly sending me to deepdiscountdvd.com to get it. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14846
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 9:04 am: |
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No no. Don't. I have in my possession a sealed copy that says "Present for Duncan because he likes The Who".
Don't buy it, you're getting it as a gift.
And no, you can't have the sealed records instead. |
Ukealalio
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Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 2552
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 12:47 pm: |
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The first Zep record was terrific but this one was just as good (in my opinion a bit better) and often overlooked:
Shape of Things-Jeff Beck Group, Truth
Blew the roof off of the Yardbirds version. Rod Stewart had never sounded better and Ron Wood proves on this tune that he's a much more creative bass player than a guitarist. Props to drummer Micky Waller, not a pounder like Bonham but real tasty and creative.
Laundromat-Rory Gallagher's 1st-Cause people rarely mention Rory and he was great.
Donna Lee-Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker's great solo transferred to bass, Jaco was as innovative on bass as Hendrix was on the guitar. My 12 year old son goes to sleep listening to Jaco.
As far as Zep stealing, they were masters of this. Check out You Need Loving from the 1st Small Faces record. Now I know they all stole the lyrics and groove from Willy Dixon but Plant stole Steve Marriot's (one of the best white soul singers ever) whole performance here for Whole Lotta Love. As Lenny Bernstein said (or maybe he stole it), "Good artists borrow, great artists steal". But hey, someone's gotta pay Bo Didley!!!!. |
Brett Weir
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Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1413
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 12:53 pm: |
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Duncan- I stand corrected. Maybe because DTNA was the first single to really hit the airwaves. Good call, good correction- Party on Garth! |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6125
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 8:27 pm: |
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Sorry Brett, if I came across as shrill. I remember it vividly. |
LazyDog
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Username: Lazydog
Post Number: 216
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 1, 2006 - 9:29 pm: |
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Ah, Uke...You Need Loving, Small Faces, one of their best tracks excepy maybe Itchycoo Park. |
davidbuckley
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Username: Davidbuckley
Post Number: 519
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 2, 2006 - 12:22 am: |
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Let's get NOW folks!! No dis to this most-of-it-great music but listening to stuff like ARCTIC MONKEYS (!) keeps you young:
The View From The Afternoon, first cut from Arctic Monkeys first album (only LP so far) - Whatever People Say I Am, That`s What I Am Not
BTW, in an astonishing accomplishment, they've made me love EVERY song from this album AND both EP's--they were also really wonderful if brief live last weekend at Webster Hall. These 4 guys are 19 and 20 (!!!) from Sheffield, England. Not that they need it but so you can say you did and to just ENJOY SO MUCH listen to them now, at the beginning. For the first three applicants, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RECORD, I'LL BUY IT! CD only, as I'll give 'em to friends. Just PL me if you listen to it twice and don't like it. All this music is on iTunes, btw.
Amateur, just happened to be listening to the Kaiser Chiefs first album, Employment, for the first time as I read your post and the first cut is Every Day I Love You Less And Less. I Predict A Riot is the second. Hey, Joe's rule, not mine!!
Listen well and be well, all.
David |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6128
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 2, 2006 - 7:47 am: |
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OK david.. Arctic Monkeys are a little new to be able to call them "great" in the historical sense, which is how I took this thread to be. Even the Beatles weren't gonna last. TIme will well. So those of us staying away from bands formed after 2000 do so with a sense of musical history at play, thats all.  |
davidbuckley
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Username: Davidbuckley
Post Number: 521
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 2, 2006 - 9:18 am: |
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Duncan:
I understand. I will go so far as to say that Arctic Monkeys have the potential.
It seems like you've heard them; if so, what do you think? If not, take me up on my insurance offer...!
Be well, all.
David |
3ringale
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Username: Threeringale
Post Number: 137
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 2, 2006 - 8:27 pm: |
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Richard Thompson,
Roll over Vaughn Williams
from
Starring as Henry the Human Fly |
wharfrat
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Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 1965
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 2, 2006 - 10:31 pm: |
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"Hey Grandma" from the first Moby Grape record. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6133
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 8:42 am: |
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I have a couple of Arctic Monkey tracks from I-Tunes and I agree. They definately have potential. We may well be talking about The View From The Afternoon in a thread like this in 15 years. |
davidbuckley
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Username: Davidbuckley
Post Number: 526
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 9:51 am: |
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Duncan:
Even if they never make another record I'll be HAPPY to have this one. Buy the tunes you don't have including ep's as I am sure you won't be disappointed.
Be well, all.
David |
Alleygater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1529
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 10:56 am: |
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Big Country - In a Big Country (I listened to it this weekend). Their best tune. |
dawny
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Username: Day
Post Number: 55
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 1:03 pm: |
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Sbenois,
Not sure I buy Will Shade's exact take on Page's ripping off of Jake Holmes re Dazed and Confused. It's clear Shade has an ax to grind (but it sure makes for compelling reading): http://www.furious.com/perfect/jimmypage.html
For all the fervor for the Yardbird's version, I still think I like the LZ rework better.
I will concede, as Uke notes, Page was unusually adept at ripping off the blues masters for his own gain.
While a cover song seems out of place for this, I'm voting for "Summertime Blues" by Blue Cheer on Vincebus Eruptum (1968) -- they absolutely demolish the song (yet it charted in Billboard!). Never saw these guys live but before the Who they had the unofficial title of world's loudest band (apocryphal story has them killing all the fish in SF bay as a result of one of their concerts).
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Jeff Markel
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Username: Jeffmarkel
Post Number: 146
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 2:15 pm: |
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Radio Free Europe - R.E.M. |
sbenois
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Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 14868
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 8:27 pm: |
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Dawny,
Will Shade isn't the only one who thinks Zep has ripped off lots and lots of other artists - including Holmes. Many people share the belief.
Jake Holmes himself said in an interview that Page basically ripped him off.
At this link you can read the interview and click on Holmes' version of the song.
http://www.itsaboutmusic.com/jakeholmes.html
Fascinating stuff though. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6138
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 9:26 pm: |
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The Way You Do The Things You Do--- The Temptations |
Alleygater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1536
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 3, 2006 - 10:34 pm: |
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Alright, I'll go out on a limb here and throw out a modern track:
Eminem - Hi My Name Is... |
Ukealalio
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Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 2553
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:50 am: |
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I was in London a few months ago and they were playing Arctic Monkee's in Virgin . Immediately bought the EP for my son who is a huge Clash fan, who I thought would like this. I was right, bought the record in Canada before it came out here. Definitely have potential, lets see how they develop.
Wharfrat-Great call on Hey Grandma, Moby Grape are one of my favorite bands. Should have been The San Francisco band (where I'm typing this at the moment) but Colombia over hyped em and they sunk. I saw them around 5-6 years ago at Wetlands and they rocked the joint. Skip Spence was not with them but their bass player Bob Mosely was and they took him off the street just a few months earlier.Guy sang and played his heart out.
Stoned Me-Lewis Taylor- Actully this is his 3rd album but 1st to get released in the States. If you haven't heard this guy get on board. He sings like Marvin Gaye, plays like Hendrix and writes and produces like Brian Wilson.
Lazydog-My favorite Small Faces tune is probably Afterglow but I loved everything from the Steve Marriot era band. |
ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 1682
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 9, 2006 - 11:40 pm: |
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"Even Flow" - Ten, Pearl Jam
Heard it recently, and thought of this thread..... |
Alleygater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1651
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 1:09 pm: |
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The song, "Once" (Vedder/Gossard) - 3:51 is actually the first track on Ten. |
ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 1689
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 3:58 pm: |
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Oops.....and I have the CD right here......I still like the song, though. And while on the subject of Pearl Jam, have heard a couple tracks from their latest CD, and they, too, are awesome. |
Brett Weir
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Username: Brett_weir
Post Number: 1461
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 5:09 pm: |
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R.E.M.'s first album was Chronic Town (Aug. 1982), wasn't it? "Radio Free Europe" was on Murmur (April 1983). First cut on Chronic Town was "Wolves, Lower" which was unremarkable. 2ND cut was "Gardening at Night", a better song. |
Alleygater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1657
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 5:47 pm: |
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Chronic Town is an EP released by the band R.E.M. in 1982. It only had 5 tracks and the first track was 1,000,000 which isn't a bad song and was emblematic of their early style. When I posted my really long list of songs in this thread, I did post multiple songs by an artist mentioning which was their first single vs. their first album. A lot of bands put out EPs or even indie singles prior to their first large release.
Where do you draw the line on a bands first song? |
ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 1690
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 6:05 pm: |
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I love Chronic Town. Wouldn't that count as R.E.M.'s debut?
Couln't also a band's "first song" be its first single, the first one released? |
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