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The Soulful Mr T
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Username: Howardt
Post Number: 1724
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 9:17 am: | 
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What follows are 1998 and 2000 "All-Time Top 100 Albums" lists. First, my snarky commentary:
Radiohead? Who are they? REM? C'mon... Air Moon? Stereophonics? What is this, a joke?
Not a single Grateful Dead rekkid here. Live/Dead? Workingmans Dead? Puh-leeeze. Lots of Pink Floyd but no "Big Pink?" No "Steppin' Out?"
"Trout Mask" is here but no "Hot Rats" or "Freak Out?" You ever try to listen to "Trout Mask Replica?" I'd rather have a tooth pulled. Plus, I like "Beggars Banquet" more than "Exile On Main Street."
No country rekkids? No Willie or Waylon?
No Latin rekkids (Ruben Blades' "Buscando America?" No Hector Lavoe? No Mario Bauza?).
I think the "glyph" CD is Prince's best.
Jazz CDs? "Kind of Blue," of course, the easy choice. Oh, yeah, "A Love Supreme" is low on one list. Where's "My Favotite Things?" or "The Bridge?" or "Mingus Ah Um?" No Ellington at all?? No Ella? No Louis Armstrong? Sheesh!
Fela Kuti? Y'ssou Ndour? Anyone else from Africa, Asia, Latin America?
I think one of the most overlooked rekkids of all time is Coati Mundi's "The Former 12 Year Old Genius," apparently not yet available on CD. Anyone heard it? Anyone HAVE it? Blah, blah, blah....
What other rekkids is missing?
2000 list
1 Beatles, The Revolver 1966
2 Radiohead, The Bends 1995
3 Beatles, The Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 1967
4 Radiohead, OK Computer 1997
5 Beatles, The The Beatles (White Album) 1968
6 R.E.M., Automatic For The People 1992
7 Dylan, Bob Blood On The Tracks 1975
8 Beatles, The Abbey Road 1969
9 Pink Floyd, Dark Side Of The Moon 1973
10 Smiths, The The Queen Is Dead 1986
11 Stone Roses, The The Stone Roses 1989
12 Love, Forever Changes 1968
13 Velvet Underground, The The Velvet Underground + Nico 1967
14 Davis, Miles Kind Of Blue 1959
15 U2 The Unforgettable Fire 1984
16 Morrison, Van Astral Weeks 1968
17 Nirvana, Nevermind 1991
18 Beach Boys, The Pet Sounds 1966
19 Prince, Sign 'O' The Times 1987
20 Springsteen, Bruce Born To Run 1975
21 Oasis (What's The Story) Morning Glory? 1995
22 Beatles, The A Hard Day's Night 1964
23 Bowie, David Hunky Dory 1971
24 Mitchell, Joni Blue 1971
25 U2, The Joshua Tree 1987
26 Dylan, Bob Highway 61 Revisited 1965
27 Bowie, David The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust 1972
28 Massive Attack, Blue Lines 1991
29 Sex Pistols, The Never Mind The Bollocks 1977
30 Pink Floyd, The Wall 1979
31 Fleetwood Mac, Rumours 1977
32 Hendrix, Jimi Electric Ladyland 1968
33 Dylan, Bob Blonde On Blonde 1966
34 Beatles, The Rubber Soul 1965
35 Rolling Stones, The Exile On Main Street 1972
36 U2, Achtung Baby 1991
37 Clash, The London Calling 1979
38 Pink Floyd, Wish You Were Here 1975
39 Gaye, Marvin, What's Going On 1971
40 Rolling Stones, The Let It Bleed 1969
41 Portishead, Dummy 1994
42 Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin IV 1971
43 Simon, Paul Graceland 1986
44 Oasis, Definitely Maybe 1994
45 Band, The The Band (Brown Album) 1969
46 Doors, The The Doors 1967
47 Bowie, David Low 1977
48 Who, The Who's Next 1971
49 R.E.M., Out Of Time 1991
50 Captain Beefheart, Trout Mask Replica 1969
51 Morissette, Alanis Jagged Little Pill 1995
52 Who, The Tommy 1969
53 Television Marquee Moon 1977
54 Beck Odelay 1996
55 Drake, Nick Five Leaves Left 1969
56 Smiths, The The Smiths 1984
57 Blondie Parallel Lines 1978
58 Reed, Lou Transformer 1972
59 Leftfield Leftism 1995
60 Marley, Bob Legend 1984
61 Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin 1969
62 Young, Neil After The Goldrush 1970
63 Hendrix, Jimi Are You Experienced? 1967
64 Jackson, Michael Thriller 1982
65 My Bloody Valentine Loveless 1991
66 Simon & Garfunkel Bridge Over Troubled Water 1970
67 Eagles, The Hotel California 1976
68 Air Moon, Safari 1998
69 Stereophonics, Performance And Cocktails 1999
70 Pearl Jam Ten 1991
71 Morrison, Van Saint Dominic's Preview 1972
72 Prince Purple Rain 1984
73 Amos, Tori Little Earthquakes 1992
74 King, Carole Tapestry 1971
75 Travis The Man Who 1999
76 Smashing Pumpkins, The Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness 1995
77 Björk Debut 1993
78 Corrs, The Talk On Corners 1998
79 Morrison, Van Moondance 1970
80 Crowded House Woodface 1991
81 Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin II 1969
82 Gabriel, Peter So 1986
83 Crosby Stills & Nash Crosby Stills & Nash 1968
84 Rolling Stones, The Sticky Fingers 1971
85 Coltrane, John A Love Supreme 1964
86 John, Elton Goodbye Yellow Brick Road 1973
87 Bush, Kate Hounds Of Love 1985
88 Metallica Metallica (Black Album) 1991
89 Wonder, Stevie Songs In The Key Of Life 1976
90 Redding, Otis Otis Blue - Otis Redding Sings Soul 1965
91 Police, The Synchronicity 1983
92 Public Enemy It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back 1988
93 Young, Neil Harvest 1972
94 Cure, The Disintegration 1989
95 Blur Parklife 1994
96 Queen A Night At The Opera 1975
97 Beastie Boys, The Licensed To Ill 1986
98 Moby Grape Moby Grape 1967
99 Buckley, Jeff Grace 1994
100 Sinatra, Frank Songs For Swingin' Lovers 1955
1998 list
1 Beatles, The Revolver 1966
2 Beatles, The Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 1967
3 Beatles, The The Beatles (White Album) 1968
4 Nirvana, Nevermind 1991
5 Beatles, The Abbey Road 1969
6 Beach Boys, The Pet Sounds 1966
7 R.E.M. Automatic For The People 1992
8 Pink Floyd Dark Side Of The Moon 1973
9 Oasis What's The Story - Morning Glory? 1995
10 Radiohead The Bends 1995
11 Bowie, David The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust 1972
12 Hendrix, Jimi Electric Ladyland 1968
13 Sex Pistols, The Never Mind The Bollocks 1977
14 Stone Roses, The The Stone Roses 1989
15 Morrison, Van Astral Weeks 1968
16 Bowie, David Hunky Dory 1971
17 Dylan, Bob Blonde On Blonde 1966
18 U2 The Joshua Tree 1987
19 Fleetwood Mac Rumours 1977
20 Beatles, The Rubber Soul 1965
21 Radiohead OK Computer 1997
22 Velvet Underground, The Velvet Underground + Nico 1967
23 Smiths, The The Queen Is Dead 1986
24 Dylan, Bob Blood On The Tracks 1975
25 Oasis Definitely Maybe 1994
26 Dylan, Bob Highway 61 Revisited 1965
27 Rolling Stones, The Exile On Main Street 1972
28 U2 Achtung Baby 1991
29 Clash, The London Calling 1979
30 Blur Parklife 1994
31 Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here 1975
32 Gaye, Marvin What's Going On 1971
33 Prodigy, The The Fat Of The Land 1997
34 Portishead Dummy 1994
35 Morissette, Alanis Jagged Little Pill 1995
36 Oasis Be Here Now 1997
37 Primal Scream Screamadelica 1991
38 Simon, Paul Graceland 1986
39 Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin IV 1971
40 Love Forever changes 1967
41 Manic Street Preachers, The Everything Must Go 1996
42 Pulp Different Class 1995
43 Massive Attack Blue Lines 1991
44 Rolling Stones Let It Bleed 1969
45 Verve, The Urban Hymns 1997
46 Pink Floyd The Wall 1979
47 Prince Sign 'O' The Times 1987
48 Davis, Miles Kind Of Blue 1959
49 Band, The The Band (Brown Album) 1969
50 Led Zeppelin Physical Graffiti 1975
51 R.E.M. Out Of Time 1991
52 Simon and Garfunkel Bridge Over Troubled Water 1970
53 Mitchell, Joni Blue 1971
54 Beck Odelay 1996
55 Kula Shaker K 1996
56 Manic Street Preachers, The The Holy Bible 1994
57 Blur Blur 1997
58 Jackson, Michael Thriller 1982
59 Bush, Kate Hounds Of Love 1985
60 Ocean Colour Scene, The Moseley Shoals 1996
61 Beefheart, Captain Trout Mask Replica 1969
62 Suede Dog Man Star 1994
63 Springsteen, Bruce Born To Run 1975
64 Prodigy, The Music For The Jilted Generation 1994
65 Wonder, Stevie Songs In The Key Of Life 1976
66 Weller, Paul Stanley Road 1995
67 Doors, The The Doors 1967
68 Joy Division Closer 1980
69 Reed, Lou Transformer 1972
70 Hendrix, Jimi Are You Experienced? 1967
71 Smashing Pumpkins Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness 1995
72 Crowded House Woodface 1991
73 Young, Neil After The Goldrush 1970
74 Clash, The The Clash 1977
75 Byrds, The The Notorious Byrd Brothers 1968
76 Oldfield, Mike Tubular Bells 1973
77 Meat Loaf Bat Out Of Hell 1977
78 Leftfield Leftism 1995
79 Prince Purple Rain 1984
80 Marley, Bob & the wailers Legend 1984
81 Verve, The A Northern Soul 1995
82 Jeff Buckley Grace 1994
83 Pearl Jam Ten 1991
84 Nirvana In Utero 1993
85 Björk Debut 1993
86 Chemical Brothers Dig Your Own Hole 1997
87 Queen A Night At The Opera 1975
88 Smith, Patti Horses 1975
89 Dire Straits, The Brothers In Arms 1985
90 Pixies, The Doolittle 1990
91 Dylan, Bob Bringing It All Back Home 1965
92 Young, Neil Harvest 1972
93 R.E.M. New Adventures In Hi-Fi 1996
94 Michael, George Older 1996
95 Byrds, The Younger Than Yesterday 1967
96 Suede Suede 1993
97 Frank Sinatra Songs For Swingin' Lovers 1955
98 Amos, Tori Little Earthquakes 1992
99 Smashing Pumpkins Siamese Dream 1993
100 Radiohead Pablo Honey 1993
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I'm Only Sleeping
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Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 152
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 9:54 am: |
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Where are these lists from? They're pretty obviously English, which would account for a lot of your complaints above.
Personally, I find it hard to get worked up about these sorts of lists. Every person who reads it will think of some albums they believe should be on there, but to make room for those you'd have to bump stuff off that somebody else would complain about not being on there. |
ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 1617
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:38 pm: |
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Hard to please all the people all of the time.
Incidentally, the R.E.M. albums listed are certainly not even the best of R.E.M.'s discography. So right there, I can tell you the lists are fundamentally flawed.
Same goes for U2. |
Buzzsaw
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Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 4351
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 2:41 pm: |
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(What's The Story) Morning Glory? is better than Blonde on Blonde????
I knew then it was B.S. |
JazzMe
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Username: Jazzme
Post Number: 194
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 4:41 pm: |
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Yeah, these things are usually suspect, but that one got me right off the bat: Radiohead at No.2... OF ALL TIMES!  Yeah right, OK thanks, no need to read further. |
I'm Only Sleeping
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Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 153
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 4:47 pm: |
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The NME did one of these earlier this year and put the Arctic Monkeys' debut at No. 5 of all time. I mean, the Arctic Monkeys album wouldn't even make my list of the 100 best albums released so far this year. But that's what these English mags do. Part of it is an attempt to be deliberately provocative and part of it is pandering to their very young readers. But it's certainly not worth getting worked up over. |
Joe R.
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Username: Ragnatela
Post Number: 370
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 5:00 pm: |
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Where is "Aztec Two-Step?" |
JazzMe
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Username: Jazzme
Post Number: 198
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 7:22 pm: |
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I don't think it's uniquely Brittish... Rolling Stone doesn't do that much better (OK, better though):
1. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, The Beatles
2. Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys
3. Revolver, The Beatles
4. Highway 61 Revisited, Bob Dylan
5. Rubber Soul, The Beatles
6. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye
7. Exile on Main Street, The Rolling Stones
8. London Calling, The Clash
9. Blonde on Blonde, Bob Dylan
10. The Beatles ("The White Album"), The Beatles
11. The Sun Sessions, Elvis Presley
12. Kind of Blue, Miles Davis
13. Velvet Underground and Nico, The Velvet Underground
14. Abbey Road, The Beatles
15. Are You Experienced?, The Jimi Hendrix Experience
16. Blood on the Tracks, Bob Dylan
17. Nevermind, Nirvana
18. Born to Run, Bruce Springsteen
19. Astral Weeks, Van Morrison
20. Thriller, Michael Jackson
21. The Great Twenty-Eight, Chuck Berry
22. Plastic Ono Band, John Lennon
23. Innervisions, Stevie Wonder
24. Live at the Apollo (1963), James Brown
25. Rumours, Fleetwood Mac
26. The Joshua Tree, U2
27. King of the Delta Blues Singers, Vol. 1, Robert Johnson
28. Who's Next, The Who
29. Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin
30. Blue, Joni Mitchell
31. Bringing It All Back Home, Bob Dylan
32. Let It Bleed, The Rolling Stones
33. Ramones, Ramones
34. Music From Big Pink, The Band
35. The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars, David Bowie
36. Tapestry, Carole King
37. Hotel California, The Eagles
38. The Anthology, 1947 - 1972, Muddy Waters
39. Please Please Me, The Beatles
40. Forever Changes, Love
41. Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's the Sex Pistols, The Sex Pistols
42. The Doors, The Doors
43. The Dark Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd
44. Horses, Patti Smith
45. The Band, The Band
46. Legend, Bob Marley and the Wailers
47. A Love Supreme, John Coltrane
48. It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back, Public Enemy
49. At Fillmore East, The Allman Brothers Band
50. Here's Little Richard, Little Richard
51. Bridge Over Troubled Water, Simon and Garfunkel
52. Greatest Hits, Al Green
53. The Birth of Soul: The Complete Atlantic Rhythm and Blues Recordings, 1952 - 1959, Ray Charles
54. Electric Ladyland, The Jimi Hendrix Experience
55. Elvis Presley, Elvis Presley
56. Songs in the Key of Life, Stevie Wonder
57. Beggars Banquet, The Rolling Stones
58. Trout Mask Replica, Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band
59. Meet the Beatles, The Beatles
60. Greatest Hits, Sly and the Family Stone
61. Appetite for Destruction, Guns n' Roses
62. Achtung Baby, U2
63. Sticky Fingers, The Rolling Stones
64. Phil Spector, Back to Mono (1958 - 1969), Various Artists
65. Moondance, Van Morrison
66. Led Zeppelin IV, Led Zeppelin
67. The Stranger, Billy Joel
68. Off the Wall, Michael Jackson
69. Superfly, Curtis Mayfield
70. Physical Graffiti, Led Zeppelin
71. After the Gold Rush, Neil Young
72. Purple Rain, Prince
73. Back in Black, AC/DC
74. Otis Blue, Otis Redding
75. Led Zeppelin II, Led Zeppelin
76. Imagine, John Lennon
77. The Clash, The Clash
78. Harvest, Neil Young
79. Star Time, James Brown
80. Odessey and Oracle, The Zombies
81. Graceland, Paul Simon
82. Axis: Bold as Love, The Jimi Hendrix Experience
83. I Never Loved a Man the Way I Love You, Aretha Franklin
84. Lady Soul, Aretha Franklin
85. Born in the U.S.A., Bruce Springsteen
86. Let It Be, The Beatles
87. The Wall, Pink Floyd
88. At Folsom Prison, Johnny Cash
89. Dusty in Memphis, Dusty Springfield
90. Talking Book, Stevie Wonder
91. Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Elton John
92. 20 Golden Greats, Buddy Holly
93. Sign 'o' the Times, Prince
94. Bitches Brew, Miles Davis
95. Green River, Creedence Clearwater Revival
96. Tommy, The Who
97. The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan
98. This Year's Model, Elvis Costello
99. There's a Riot Goin' On, Sly and the Family Stone
100. In the Wee Small Hours, Frank Sinatra
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Alleygater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1563
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 4, 2006 - 11:33 pm: |
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I swear that London Calling was #1 on the Rolling Stone list the last time I looked. I remember it because I thought it was ballsy and a good call when I saw it. And just for the record...I LOVE THE BEATLES and give them all due respect historically but must every best list have like 5 of the top 10 albums be Beatles albums? And then have their entire collection in the list? Fine, I get it, the Beatles rock. I agree. But c'mon now. |
ess
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Username: Ess
Post Number: 1625
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 12:03 am: |
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The Rolling Stone list is way better, but still - I agree with Alley's point, and I would add to that comment the Rolling Stones. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6143
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 9:26 am: |
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Rush is way underrepresented |
Buzzsaw
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Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 4355
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 10:06 am: |
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as a rule, rolling stone mag hates rush..... |
I'm Only Sleeping
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Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 154
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 10:15 am: |
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That Rolling Stone list is MUCH better. Yer nuts. |
dave23
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Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1622
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 10:16 am: |
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I think Wenner has a particular dislike of anything smelling of prog rock. They hate Pink Floyd, too (save for the inexplicable five-star review of The Final Cut by Kurt Loder). No Radiohead, Dark Side at 43. |
Robert Little
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Username: Boblittle
Post Number: 346
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 10:52 am: |
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Let's look at this another way. Has anybody put together a string of four albums as good as the Rolling Stones?
Beggar's Banquet (12/6/68)
Let It Bleed (12/5/69)
Sticky Fingers (4/23/71)
Exile on Main Street (4/12/72)
The intervening records are a greatest hits (Through the Past, Darkly) and a live album (Get Yer Ya=Ya's Out). |
davidbuckley
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Username: Davidbuckley
Post Number: 531
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 10:53 am: |
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I find these too annoying so I try not to get caught up.
That said, IOS, while I agree that NME are hyperbolic, have you listened to "Whatever They Say I Am, That's What I'm Not" by you-know-who all the way through? More than once?
I assume you have from reading your post but I wanted to be sure and to ask you for your opinion/review of the "album" or as T likes to say "rekkid"...;-D
Be well and listen well, all.
David |
dave23
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Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1625
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 11:09 am: |
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Robert,
No. |
I'm Only Sleeping
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Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 155
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 11:11 am: |
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All the way through? Absolutely. All the way through more than once? Probably not. It was a real chore to make it through the first time. I think their lyrics can be entertaining (although Mike Skinner does a similar thing much better), but musically it's a tough slog. All of the songs sound the same, and the lack of strong melodies and dynamics mean it gets really old really fast. They definitely seem promising, but the album is mediocre at best. And it's interesting how little buzz there is about them now that the initial wave of hype has subsided. I think their dismal SNL appearance might have killed their chances in the U.S. |
Robert Little
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Username: Boblittle
Post Number: 347
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 1:48 pm: |
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Dave23, you are most perceptive about the World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band.
Al Green is twice as good as Marvin Gaye, but I don't think a list should include "greatest hits" compilations, at least from the LP era. Perhaps that's a little unfair to genres that don't generally organize music around the album concept (or perhaps I should say, concept album). |
dave23
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Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1629
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 3:25 pm: |
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Thank you Robert. But the leaps and bounds the Beatles took in four years (from Please Please Me to Sgt. Peppers) is mond-boggling. |
breal
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Username: Breal
Post Number: 823
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 5, 2006 - 4:42 pm: |
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About Al Green. If greatest hits rekkids can be on the list, they should have picked Al Green Greatest Hits Vol. II. Not Vol. I. What were they thinking. |
amschwartz
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Username: Amschwartz
Post Number: 33
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 6, 2006 - 2:45 pm: |
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I always though that Paul Simon's Rhythm Of The Saints was his best effort. It's more interesting than Graceland and has a real lush sound. Unfotunately the record company screwed up and forced him to change the order to sell more singles. Try listening in Paul's order next time and you should notice a much more cohesive cd. I've never gone back to the original order. I burned myself a new one in this order and it's the one I always put on.
3. The Coast
6. She Moves On
4. Proof
7. Born At The Right Time
8. Cool, Cool River
1. The Obvious Child
2. Can't Run But
9. Spirit Voices
5. Further To Fly
10. Rhythm Of The Saints
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