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LibraryLady..
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3270
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, April 8, 2006 - 11:54 am: | 
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Anyone planning on taping either of these two shows tomorrow night at 8pm? The Gospel of Judas is on NatGeo (which I don;'t get) and West Wing on NBC>
I could really use a copy of each if anyone is willing to tape it for me. I would appreciate it .
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LibraryLady..
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3276
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 9, 2006 - 9:11 pm: |
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oh ••••!!! My dear friend, who shall remain nameless, had a vcr malfunction and did not record West Wing. Damn damn damn!
If there anybody in all of Maplewood or South Orange who is more mechanically inclined and did suceed it taping tonights episode, and is willing to share, I would be eternally grateful?
Pl, post, email me at njanow@sopl.org. |
Starletta8
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Username: Starletta8
Post Number: 160
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 6:32 pm: |
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LL,
I PL'd you. |
LibraryLady..
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3279
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 7:00 pm: |
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Thanks, Star..I responded |
Joe R.
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Username: Ragnatela
Post Number: 381
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Monday, April 10, 2006 - 8:12 pm: |
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I fell asleep during the Gospel, but then again I had bought the book on Friday. The Gospel itself is a 15 minute read. The history of the Codex takes up most of the book. From what I could tell from the part of the show that I saw, it was tracking the book exactly. Not sure the Gospel is all that earthshaking. |
HarDen
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Username: Harden
Post Number: 98
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 3:29 pm: |
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DAMN I missed it cause I was at a softball tournment--
So--who won the election?? or did they leave ya hanging till next week?!?!? |
Alleygater
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Username: Alleygater
Post Number: 1680
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 3:40 pm: |
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I am only half way through Judas (it's Tivo'd) but I'm fascinated by it. I want to know about the story more than I care about the history of how they acquired the book, but I understand that they are milking the special to cram in as many commercials as possible.
So far though I am finding the different outlook on Judas in the gospel totally revelatory. I'm not Christian so really this is no skin off my back, but calling someone a JUDAS means something now a days. What if that term isn't appropriate any longer? Also as was pointed out in the tv special, historically Judas and Jews (Juden) have been linked which helps to explain some of the background of anti-semitism in general. Now imagine if Judas wasn't a bad guy. That to me is earth shaking. |
BGS
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Username: Bgs
Post Number: 923
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 11, 2006 - 3:54 pm: |
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HarDen- I pl'd you. |
Joe R.
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Username: Ragnatela
Post Number: 382
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 - 10:37 pm: |
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Alleygater: It would be very nice if, as a result of the discovery of the Gospel of Judas, anti-semetism could be eradicated as if it were just one big understanding in the first place. Unfortunately, I don't think it's as simple as saying anti-semetism was born because the four Jews whose writings became the core of the New Testament somehow won the battle for the "hearts and minds" of the people. The fact of the matter is, no one knows who wrote the Gospel of Judas, but they think it may have been written about 180 years after the fact. By most accounts, I think, the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and the works of Paul were written much closer in time to the events described. They were contemporaries of Jesus. Significantly, the Gospel of Judas is not the gospel according to Judas.
I agree that, at first blush, the impact of this document is that, "Hey, Judas may not have been such a bad guy after all". Theologically, though, the biggest departure is the overall cosmological view of the author. The God of the Jews in this version, is an inferior creator god who presides over an a corrupt, imperfect creation. In fact there are lesser divinities all over the place in this story. Judas's claim to fame here is that he understands this secret and facilitates Jesus's liberation from his corrupt body so that he can return to pure spirit. To my way of thinking, had this view prevailed, anti-semetism might have been more pervasive since only the "elect", those with a the spark of divinity within, those with the exclusive knowledge Jesus imparted to Judas, are saved. There is no eternal reward for good acts on earth. This is a religion of exclusion rather than inclusion. That's my reading of it anyway.
Anyway, I think this stuff is intriguing. I don't shy away from things like this because they fly in the face of by own beliefs. I try to keep my mind open and to read things critically. At best, the Gosepl of Judas has no superior claim to validity over the "orthodox" gospels of the New Testament. If you consider both to be "testimony", then all things being equal you would give more weight to the account given closer in time to the reported events by the contemporaries of Jesus, being also careful to weigh in the balance the potential for personal bias. |
C Bataille
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Username: Nakaille
Post Number: 2561
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, April 15, 2006 - 8:48 am: |
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only the "elect", those with a the spark of divinity within, those with the exclusive knowledge Jesus imparted to Judas, are saved. There is no eternal reward for good acts on earth. This is a religion of exclusion rather than inclusion.
Sounds like something right out of Watchtower Magazine, the propaganda tool for Jehovah's Witnesses. (Yes, I am hostile. Chalk it up to an all too personal connection to JW.) |
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