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Arnomation
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Username: Arnomation
Post Number: 528
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:30 am: | 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAmljaj5stA |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6297
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:52 am: |
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I admit...I didn't see it coming. |
mlj
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Username: Mlj
Post Number: 215
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 11:14 am: |
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I am waiting to be struck down myself. |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3387
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 7:42 pm: |
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This was posted a several weeks ago and cause a big stir in Soapbox or maybe Virtual Cafe. Many of us found it hysterically fun, others were offended. |
gettinoffadaroof
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Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 672
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 8:53 pm: |
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" Many of us found it hysterically fun, others were offended"
Maybe now it will be funny since we're past Easter and there are no Christian holy days on the horizon. Can't wait to see what pops up come Rosh Hashanah (or Ramadan)! |
Joe R.
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Username: Ragnatela
Post Number: 411
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 9:29 pm: |
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Memo to all the people who are offended that the National Anthem was translated into Spanish......This is offensive! If you want to get bent out of shape about something, this is your thread. |
CLK
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Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2263
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:06 pm: |
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How can it be funny to take the icons of somebody else's religion and uses them in a cruel way as a big joke? LL I know you're Jewish. I have to ask you, if I posted a link to a "funny" video trivializing Yom Kippur, the most somber day of the Jewish year, and posted it on that day, would you think it was funny? Or a video somehow cruelly lampooning the flight of the Jews from Egypt (perhaps showing them getting run over by a truck as they're fleeing - which would be very comparable to the video posted above), and posted it during Passover. I don't think too many people would be laughing. They would find it to be an example of hate speech, and they would be correct.
The first time this video was posted was on Good Friday, the most somber day of the Christian year. That day means something to a lot of people here.
Post it now, fine - I don't care. Laugh all you want. But don't think that those of us who got mad the first time were out of line. I post a lot here and I don't think I have the reputation for being easily offended or being at all unreasonable. I'm not a right-wing Christian nut (closer to a left-wing nut). For example I think the Christmas music ban is OK and hope it stays - I've said so here. The really moving opinions posted on this board by many Jewish people and a few atheists convinced me that it was wrong to have Christmas music played in any context in public schools. I don't like people feeling ostracized or marginalized because of their religion (or lack thereof).
I just wish that some here would show the same courtesy to my feelings - and mine as a member of a group, not just me CLK. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6301
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:13 pm: |
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CLK, you ask how can it be funny. To you it isn't. That's cool. But there are many christians, like myself, who find it so absurd as to not even come close to my spirituality.
Beauty is, we live in a country where that can get made and circulated and, at least so far, Christian riots have not broken out all over the world.
In no way am I meaning to diminsh your dislike of the piece, but you seem to be "taking it out" on LL and that seems a bit harsh. And unfair, as you can't really know how she would react to the scenarios you posit.
just my 3 cents |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3389
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:17 pm: |
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CLK, I never said or implied that those who got mad the first time were out of line. All I was saying that this video had been previously posted (not by me either time) and had a mixed reaction. Hoping that this thread would die soon as it already had had a day (week) in the sun.
(oh and btw, one of the funniest video clips to me is from Mel Brook's History of the World Part I when Moses accidently drops the third tablet with the 15 commandments and tries to cover it up!)
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CLK
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Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2264
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:17 pm: |
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It's the feeling that those of us who were offended were out of line. We were not. I gave those hypothetical examples so that people could try to put themselves into my shoes, and recognize that I am not out of line.
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CLK
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Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2265
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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We cross-posted. I did feel that there was a judgment being made against those of us (really, it was only me who posted) who felt it was out of line then. I don't understand why you can't see how this makes me feel. I'm trying to get you to see this. (not you personally Nancy, but everybody else who thinks I'm a wacko for the bad feelings that I have about this piece.) |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3390
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:20 pm: |
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I certainly understood thatand why you were offended and I never said in this thread that you were out of line. I was JUST trying to tell the other MOLers that this had been played out before with very mixed results. |
CLK
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Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2266
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:24 pm: |
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OK. Then, I re-direct my rant at the others who posted after you. Sorry - it's hard to figure out who said what when you're this upset. |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3391
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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To change the subject, friend....
I do understand that Good Friday is the most somber day in the Christian calendar. As I understand it, that is the day your Savior was crucified. Then how come it's okay to wish people "Happy Good Friday". I've asked several Christian friends and relatives cause to me, it sounds just as bad as Happy Yom Kippur. These friends of mine ,(from various denominations) all said that that phrase was ok.
Sorry, but I don't. Show me where I am wrong that wishing good anything on such a sad day is right? I am confused.
Thanks. |
Mayor McCheese
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Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1299
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:43 pm: |
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I don't think I have ever heard anyone say "Happy Good Friday." (I think thats kind of a funny phrase)
I did once hear someone say, "Happy Black History Month." (I laughed a little at that.) |
CLK
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Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2267
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:47 pm: |
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I would never, ever say "Happy Good Friday" to anybody - that is bizarre. I've never heard anybody say this. You are right in your reading of this.
I think Yom Kippur comes closest to Ash Wednesday in its basic meaning - a day of atonement, thinking about sins, and so forth - though I like the symbolism of Rash Hashanah (not sure if I spelled that right) coming in close proximity - the purge of the old together with the freshness of the new seems somehow appropriate. I guess it's not too far from Lent followed by Easter. (though they're farther apart in time.)
Different root symbolism, with a similar spiritual effect ...
(I like this conversation a lot better - you're a nice person, Nancy. ;-) |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5357
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 10:55 pm: |
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I have had people ask me if one would say, "Happy Good Friday". I reply that I never thought of Good Friday as a day associated with a "Have a happy" phrase. I've suggested that any good wishes be prospective, as in, "Have a Happy Easter", if you need to wish anything to an acquaintance or a co-worker on that day.
Leaving aside the "have a happy" issue, I am never asked why it's called "Good Friday". Now that's a question I can deal with, from the old Baltimore Catechism days.  |
Pizzaz
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Username: Pizzaz
Post Number: 3572
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 11:16 pm: |
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If we accept the tridium, we accept the lord's suffering on good friday. This he did for us and we are grateful and happy. His presence in Heavan is realized on the third day. I must say that I've never used the term happy good friday until that offensive thread. I was disgusted by the attack. As the poster indicated she found it funny and hilarious at the time.
CLK: It was me who wished you a Happy Good Friday... it was meant to be an acceptance of our faith. |
CLK
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Username: Clkelley
Post Number: 2268
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 - 11:19 pm: |
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You did? I don't remember.  Perhaps in context here it made sense? I'm sure it must have, if you said it, Pizzaz! |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3394
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 7:39 am: |
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Piz, amazing as it is, I was NOT refering to you with my sincere question.. Many people say "Happy Good Friday" and I just find it weird. Until you brought it up, I forgot that you did as well.
CLK: It was me who wished you a Happy Good Friday... it was meant to be an acceptance of our faith.
Now I know this is what people mean when they say it and ,however we want to recognize my Christian friend's holiday,wishing them "Happy Good Friday" is only said from one Chritian to another and from people who doesn't accept the basis of the Christian faith. |
Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6305
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 9:01 am: |
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This thread is exactly why I love filmmaking, even when it is as ridiculous as the video that started this one. It got folks talking and listening and trying to understand. To me, that ROCKS. So many wise things have been said in this thread as a direct result of a silly video.
That is why I direct films, in the hope of having this very effect on people. |
GOP Man
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Username: Headsup
Post Number: 363
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 9:02 am: |
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this video is just another example of liberal Hollywood trashing religion. it makes me sick, altough I'm still puzzling how Jesus performed that stunt at the end. it looked incrediby real. |
Hoops
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Username: Hoops
Post Number: 1264
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 9:05 am: |
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so why is it called 'Good' Friday if its so sad? Why not sad Friday?
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Duncan
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Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6309
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 9:41 am: |
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From About Catholicism...
Quote:Good Friday is called good because on this day Jesus was crucified for our redemption of our sins. World: "Holy Friday" for Latin nations, Slavs and Hungarians call it "Great Friday," in Germany it is "Friday of Mourning," and in Norway, it is "Long Friday." Some view the term "Good Friday" (used in English and Dutch) as a corruption of the term "God's Friday."
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finnegan
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Username: Finnegan
Post Number: 343
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:32 am: |
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I'm still hoping that Nohero posts the Baltimore Catechism answer.... |
Nohero
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Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5360
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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I had to look it up to make sure I got it right -Q. On what day did Christ die?
A. Christ died on Good Friday.
Q. Why do you call that day "good" on which Christ died so sorrowful a death?
A. We call that day "good" on which Christ died because by His death He showed His great love for man, and purchased for him every blessing. Those are questions 79 and 80, for those of you playing at home. |
finnegan
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Username: Finnegan
Post Number: 344
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 3:22 pm: |
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Thanks, Nohero.
I (just barely) missed the Baltimore Catechism era, and do so appreciate learning from my elders.  |
Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3397
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 4:14 pm: |
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Explain, please????? |
campbell29
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Username: Campbell29
Post Number: 421
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 5:25 pm: |
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I too always wondered why it was called "Good Friday" when nothing good happened. Isn't there also a Mourning Thursday or something during that week as well? And, since we're on the subject, what do the ashes symbolize, and how long are you supposed to keep them? Do all Christians do this or just the Catholic ones?
My daughter recently asked "why do those people have dirt on their heads?" My husband and I had no appropriate answer. (other than ones that would probably not win us any friends in the Christian community) |
SoOrLady
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Username: Soorlady
Post Number: 3287
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 5:53 pm: |
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Ash Wednesday is the gateway to Lent. It is a day of reflextion and penitence and the forgiveness of sins. You've heard "Ashes to ashes, dust to dust"... the ashes are a tangible reminder of our mortality and God's grace. Not all Christain religions distribute ashes, but many do. They all acknowledge the day as Ash Wednesday, however.
Maundy Thursday is the day before Good Friday - and refers to the Latin 'mandatum'. Jesus' commandment that we love one another as he has loved us. Also the day Jesus shared communion with his disciples.
Good Friday (pulled this from the net) I’ve read that the word good used to have a secondary meaning of holy, but I can’t trace that back in my etymological dictionary. There are a number of cases in set phrases where the words God and good got switched around because of their similarity. One case was the phrase God be with you, which today is just good-bye. So perhaps Good Friday was originally God’s Friday. But I think we call it Good Friday because, in pious retrospect, all that tragedy brought about the greatest good there could be.
I can see virtue in either terminology. If we call it Mourning Friday, as in German, we are facing reality head on, taking up the cross if you will, fully conscious that the Christian walk is seldom a walk in the park. But if we call it Good Friday, as in English, we are confessing the Christian hope that no tragedy—not even death—can overwhelm God’s providence, love, and grace. |
finnegan
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Username: Finnegan
Post Number: 345
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 9:22 pm: |
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SoOrlady,
What a lovely and informative post.
I thought, also, that Library Lady might be asking specifically about the Baltimore Catechism. That Catechism – which is a collection of religious teachings – was first produced in the 1890’s as a means to unify religious instruction among US Catholics, who were then mostly new immigrants attending “ethnic” (Irish, Italian, Polish, German, etc.) parishes. Revised in 1941, the Baltimore Catechism used a question and answer format:
Q. Who made the world?
A. God made the world.
Q. Who is God?
A. God is the Creator of heaven, and earth and all things.
Q. Why did God make you?
A. God made me to know Him, to love Him and to serve Him in this world and to be happy with Him forever in the next.
It was memorized by generations of American Catholics, and is sometimes (but not always) remembered fondly by those who used it. But, it discouraged questioning, used some obscure and outdated language and concepts, and was widely criticized by Catholics who were seeking more authentic catechesis. So, in the wake of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) it was largely abandoned.
The Baltimore Catechism, like the Latin mass, serves as shorthand among many Catholics, for the very profound dividing line among Catholics brought up in the pre or post-Vatican II church. I was teasing Nohero, who can’t be more than just a few years older than me, because he remembers the Baltimore Catechism, but by the time I was in Catholic school, it was a relic of the past.
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Nancy - LibraryLady
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Username: Librarylady
Post Number: 3399
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, May 4, 2006 - 10:05 pm: |
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Thanks everyone, for the explanations. I remember as a kid in Queens, that every Wed. there was "release time" for the Christian kids to go to ccd(?) or something like that. This was late 50's, early 60's. It was always at 2:oo o'clock and then the rest of us had to hang out with the teach until 3pm and dismissal. Don't think that kind of thing would fly now, especially here in SO/M.  |
LilLB
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Username: Lillb
Post Number: 1647
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 8:50 am: |
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CCD was always after school in my day (70s/80s). I went to a Catholic elementary school and the public school kids would use our school classrooms for their CCD classes. Funny - they were there for religious classes yet they would always end up stealing things out of our desks....guess they weren't learning much from the lessons. |
Joe R.
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Username: Ragnatela
Post Number: 423
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Monday, May 8, 2006 - 10:29 pm: |
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I've learned two things from this message board, 1) there are a ton of very thoughtful people who participate here and 2) whether we like to admit it or not, we are all very curious about spirituality and organized religion.
It's sometimes a slow and often a painful process, but I think we're learning from one another. Keep talking! |
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