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Ligeti Man Meat
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Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 785
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 1:44 pm: | 
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I've been in denial for quite some time, but now that I'm older I can finally admit it: I hate avant garde jazz.
Almost everyone I know hates it, too.
Seems to me it's mostly a safe haven for guys without technique who can't play on changes. (with a few exceptions, of course)
The people who get the biggest kick out of it are in their mid-twenties.
Reject avant garde jazz
Your reaction.
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dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1963
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 2:38 pm: |
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Name some of the artists you hate. |
I'm Only Sleeping
Citizen
Username: Imonlysleeping
Post Number: 230
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
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Why does liking something in your 20s but not after that invalidate it? I listened to a lot of free jazz when I was younger and don't have much of a stomach for it anymore, but that hardly makes it worthless. Same goes for hardcore punk and hip-hop, both of which I have huge respect for and not much interest in listening to now that I'm older. |
Ligeti Man Meat
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Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 786
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, August 18, 2006 - 4:35 pm: |
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"I hate avant garde jazz" is supposed to come off innocuously, like "I hate broccoli."
I certainly don't "hate" any artists.
But I really don't want to listen to Cecil Taylor or Anthony Braxton at this stage of my life (although at least both those guys can play their instruments). I put all their LPs out at the curb for the recent bulk recycling day.
Interstellar Space wil be headed out the door pretty soon.
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JazzMe
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Username: Jazzme
Post Number: 229
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, August 19, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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"Seems to me it's mostly a safe haven for guys without technique who can't play on changes."
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JerryC
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Username: Jerryc
Post Number: 285
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 10:30 am: |
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Beg to differ. I think your statement may be a bit broad. Though I am no real fan of avant garde jazz either, a guy like Paul Motian plays and composes pretty far out. I'd say he's not hiding one bit and sure has technique, no? Miles and Coltraine often crossed the line too but those guys could sure play through changes when they wanted to. Even in the modern classical world, composers like Charles Ives and Harry Parch were often unlistenable but they were making a creative and important musical statement. Did Jackson Pollock really have technique or could he just splash paint? On the other hand there are cats who play like crap and call it avant guarde. They should have their license to play revoked!Those who have developed technique and understand the roots of their art have every right to do as they please, however strange and disconcerting to the audience. Fortunately, we all the right to not listen or look if we don't want. |
jeffl
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Username: Jeffl
Post Number: 1826
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 9:53 pm: |
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I never could enjoy avant garde jazz either but never questioned the ability of the musicians. I've seen Cecil Taylor live and he was amazing. I didn't enjoy the music but did enjoy the musicianship. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10546
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Sunday, August 20, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
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Maybe you just haven't found the good stuff yet, like Don Cherry's Mu or Coltrane's Om. Free jazz also brought in a lot of Asian and Middle Eastern influences that weren't part of jazz before. |
jeffl
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Username: Jeffl
Post Number: 1827
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 9:22 am: |
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I'm game. I'll give them a try. It was when the music became assaultive to my ears that I'd turn it off.
Heck, I love John Cage. |
dano
Citizen
Username: Dano
Post Number: 252
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 2:28 pm: |
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I had a hard time listening to Pat Metheny and Ornette Coleman on Song X. Still do, but every once in a while I go back to it to see if I've missed something. Metheny also put a 4 disc set of nonsense out a few years ago from the Knitting Factory...what crap!? |
buzzsaw
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Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 5647
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 2:47 pm: |
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I saw Metheny play a guitar for about 30 minutes with a balloon at the knitting factory. Not the best show I ever saw.
Where does "a love supreme" fit in here?
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jeffl
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Username: Jeffl
Post Number: 1829
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 2:55 pm: |
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Good question. A Love Supreme has to be considered avant-garde, sandwiched by a beautiful, haunting, sort of melody. Now that's listenable to me. What do you think? |
buzzsaw
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Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 5648
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 3:16 pm: |
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I would say that it is one of my favorite pieces of music
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jeffl
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Username: Jeffl
Post Number: 1831
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 3:32 pm: |
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Listening to some pretty "out" stuff right now on Pandora by, you won't believe it, Max Roach. Very cool |
dano
Citizen
Username: Dano
Post Number: 253
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 4:00 pm: |
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A wonderful version of "A Love Supreme" performed by Mahavishnu John Mcloughlin (sp?) and Carlos Santana. Worth a listen! |
dano
Citizen
Username: Dano
Post Number: 254
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 4:02 pm: |
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BUZZ,
LOL! But I have such respect for his playing that you can let him get away with that kind of stuff! |
Ligeti Man Meat
Citizen
Username: Ligeti
Post Number: 788
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 4:04 pm: |
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Monk. Now THAT'S avant garde.
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Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10554
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 4:21 pm: |
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Quote:I saw Metheny play a guitar for about 30 minutes with a balloon at the knitting factory.
Why were you with a balloon?
A Love Supreme and Giant Steps are my favorite Coltrane albums. |
buzzsaw
Citizen
Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 5650
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 4:29 pm: |
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buzzsaw
Citizen
Username: Buzzsaw
Post Number: 5651
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 4:40 pm: |
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now that I think of it, the balloon might have been John Zorn. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 10555
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 4:53 pm: |
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If you like Lush Life, check out Joe Henderson's Lush Life: Music of Billy Strayhorn |
Señor Moment ©
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Username: Howardt
Post Number: 2405
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Monday, August 21, 2006 - 7:54 pm: |
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or the version with Johnny Hartman... |
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