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paola
Citizen
Username: Paola
Post Number: 21
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 - 9:27 pm: | 
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This is a question for the Master Plumber or any secret plumbers wannabes:
i have 3 toilets by Bemis that constantly get clogged even with the slightest amount of toilet paper and/or waste.
The other 2 toilets in the house are by Kohler and have been clogged maybe once or twice over the last 3 1/2 years.
My questions are 1) is the problem the toilet themselves in the way they are designed or is it the "sewage" hole where the waste gets flushed out too small; and 2) would replacing the 3 Bemis toilets with a better manufacturer/model help this clogging problem?
if it's a matter of replacing the toilets with a better one, i would gladly do it. any recommendations of manufacturer and model that have a good "flush"?
my back is killing me trying to work the plunger and tonight's clog is litterally the last straw that broke the "camel's back."
thanks.
p.s. i just read about a "Power Flush" device that one can install in the toilet tank to double the flushing power. it costs about $25. does this device work well and is it a better/cheaper alternative than to buy a new toilet? |
Dennis J O'Neill
Citizen
Username: Plungy
Post Number: 4
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 9:07 am: |
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Are you certain that the toilets are made by Bemis and not just the toilet seats? Lift the tank lid and see if there is another brand name.
I can tell you that the newer Gerber toilet is prone to frequent stoppages. |
melicious
Citizen
Username: Melicious
Post Number: 356
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 9:44 am: |
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i have a cadet (american standard) and it gets clogged so often that even my 7 year old knows how to plunge.
i just read consumer reports and they recommended :
1 Eljer Titan 091-0777
gravity $350
2 Kohler Highline Pressure Lite K-3493
pressure $420
3 Gerber Ultra Flush 21-312
pressure 275
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Virtual It Girl
Citizen
Username: Shh
Post Number: 3916
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 9:52 am: |
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Our Kohler Devonshire toilets clog A LOT too, and I always use Scott tissue. I'd be curious to find out about this power flush thing. |
darrensager
Citizen
Username: Darrensager
Post Number: 284
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 10:18 am: |
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Try either a Toto with a G-Max flushing system or an American Standard with a Champion flushing system. These systems use extra large openings that are virtually clog free.
See the American Standard here:
http://www.americanstandard-us.com/planDesign/performance/BestFlush/best_flush.a sp
The Toto here:
http://www.totousa.com/innovation_landing.asp
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Mummite
Citizen
Username: Mummite
Post Number: 215
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 7:04 pm: |
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I have been advised that Toto are the way to go -anyone actually own one?
We have a Gerber (probably cheapest version there is)from the previous owner which is a notorious clogger.
Thanks |
kathy
Citizen
Username: Kathy
Post Number: 1255
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 7:31 pm: |
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We got Toto toilets in our new house on the advice of an architect friend. We love them. I won't say that they are 100% clog-proof but they function a lot better than most of the low-flow toilets I have had the misfortune to encounter. |
Jelly
Citizen
Username: Jelly
Post Number: 14
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 2, 2006 - 7:57 pm: |
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We have a toto and it has never clogged. Our other toilet clogs all the time. |
teddytwotimes
Citizen
Username: Anothernewguy
Post Number: 14
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 1:55 pm: |
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If you're looking for the best in super-flush-power and can't settle for less (and who really should?), go with a "pressure-assisted" model, the greatest new toilet world technology. Most people have the traditional "gravity" toilets which uses the water weight for pressure. The "pressure-assisted" uses pressurized air power, and outperforms even the old 3.5 Gallon Per Flush models, (the current code is 1.6 GPF max - which congress is reconsidering because there are so many of you frustrated flushers out there). They are louder however, but some might call that an attribute, finding the vigorous whoosh satisfying.
I havent used any "power flush" retrofit devices, but I would not think them to be very effective. Increasing flush power is more complicated than it seems a $25 band-aid could handle.
Happy Sitting. |
cicely moncrieff
Citizen
Username: Cicely_m
Post Number: 61
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 3:58 pm: |
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I also vote for Toto-- we replaced one of our clogging toilets with a Toto (with G-MAx-- have to have the G-Max) and are just amazed at the power of the flush. |
The Oracle of MOL
Supporter
Username: Oracle_of_mol
Post Number: 198
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 8:22 pm: |
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Best $20 you'll ever spend...
Go in peace. Really.
--The Oracle of MOL |
The Soulfullest Mr T
Citizen
Username: Howardt
Post Number: 1389
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 8:35 pm: |
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THE POWER OF THE FLUSH! |
darrensager
Citizen
Username: Darrensager
Post Number: 287
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 3, 2006 - 10:20 pm: |
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Pressure assisted flushing is terrible. So noisy. It's like going to the bathroom at Giants stadium yet now its your house.
The Toto (which I chose) is quiet and has been flawless in its operation.
The soft close seat they offer is excellent. No more slamming of the toilet seat. |
Shanabana
Citizen
Username: Shanabana
Post Number: 179
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 4, 2006 - 9:33 am: |
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We have a cadet, which has a very small opening and clogs. So we shopped for one with what looked like a big opening and got a Kohler and it works very well. I'm going to get one of those things the Oracle posted, though. Looks fun. |
teddytwotimes
Citizen
Username: Anothernewguy
Post Number: 16
Registered: 6-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 8:39 am: |
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Toto's are a good choice for most....but I stand by pressure assisted. If its power you want, you will like the noise, it means you will never plunge. If you are jolted by the sound of a seat closing, go with Toto, and have them throw in the heated seat option for you too. |
Jay060
Citizen
Username: Jay060
Post Number: 142
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 9:19 am: |
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Or, you can just flush multiple times per "session" |
Pdg
Citizen
Username: Pdg
Post Number: 393
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 4:54 pm: |
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Love the soft-close seat of our Toto "Augusta", which has needed plunging probably twice in 7 years. It looks really nice too. |
Pippi
Supporter
Username: Pippi
Post Number: 1721
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 5:26 pm: |
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We own a Toto - Thanks to the above poster, Dennis O'Neill!
[Right One Plumbing  ]
Have owned it for almost a year and half, have never had a clog.
Love love LOVE it!
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Master Plvmber
Citizen
Username: Master_plvmber
Post Number: 472
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 1:26 pm: |
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I most often recommend Toto to my clients and I really dislike power-flush units. It's a job in itself trying to find parts to repair them because the technology has changed several times over the years. It's too sophisticated for its own good.
Toto uses a typical flushing system designed with a few slight improvements that make all the difference.
Master Plvmber |
Jgberkeley
Citizen
Username: Jgberkeley
Post Number: 4418
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 7:54 pm: |
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On the subject of power flushes, I saw something to consider.
On one of the cable channels I saw a study that was done on flushing toliets.
Amazing to watch was a normal home toliet, where a cloth was placed on the floor around the unit. The cloth was treated with a substance to capture water droplets from the flush spray that made it out of the bowl. Then the cloth was placed in a unit that allowed the captured droplets to grow, kinda like a large (petri Sp?) dish and demostrated the spray pattern.
Yuk, on what grew from spray from a normal flush toliet.
Then the power toliets.
More than Double Yuk. You do not even want to see the material that grew following a power flush.
Also tested were those units in public places, the Sloan valve system. Yuk as well.
It was clear that all toliets spray matter from the bowl and out on the floor.
I now flush with the lid closed and me standing up and facing away. |
Yang
Citizen
Username: Yang
Post Number: 31
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 9:38 pm: |
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What show was this? What channel? |
Jgberkeley
Citizen
Username: Jgberkeley
Post Number: 4426
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 8:27 pm: |
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Late at night while letting the dogs out, so I don't know the channel.
That Doctor out of New York who had a health show for a while, Dr. Dean Adell.
It was interesting to say the least. |
The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 1557
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 9:16 pm: |
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i poop in a bag and throw it over the fence into the neighbors yard. my toilet has only clogged once and that was after i dropped my g.i. joe in while he was on a scuba mission to save a princess. |
The Soulfullest Mr T
Citizen
Username: Howardt
Post Number: 1432
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 10:41 pm: |
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me, too... |
The Libertarian
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 1559
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 10:48 pm: |
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what? the gi joe or the bag over the neighbors fence?
if its the gi joe, we should get together and have a gi joe combined mission. if its the bag over the fence, i have some tips. |
paola
Citizen
Username: Paola
Post Number: 22
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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thanks for all the inputs.
after my original posting, i litterally spent all night on the internet researching the best flushing toilets. armed with my info, i went out the next day and purchased 3 new TOTO toilets, all of which have the G-Max gravity-flushing technology.
i couldn't believe how excited i was to have them all installed the following day by our plumber; one would have thought that i was having a new bathroom installed instead of just a new toilet.
after 2 weeks worth of performance, i'd like to report that i am happy with my TOTO products because none has clogged and the flushing noise is not too bad. they were expensive toilets but they greatly improved my quality of life. worth every penny.
p.s. i also purchased the device suggested by Oracle of MOL; hope i will never have to use it.
p.s.s. there was a great article in the Today section of the Star-Ledger (either on thursday 2/2 or friday 2/3) that listed a website containing a complete ratings of all current toilets in the market by their flushing performance. i saw the report online but unfortunately did not print it out or remember the website name. can someone find out the website for all of us? it's a great resource if one is shopping for a toilet b/c it is a very comprehensive rating/research. |
paola
Citizen
Username: Paola
Post Number: 23
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 8:26 am: |
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i finally found the article that reviews toilet performance:
John Koeller's ("Toilet Guru") "Maximum Performance Testing of Toilet Models"
Very comprehensive report of every toilet's flushing power and attributes. The best report i found when considering a toilet to buy.
http://www.cuwcc.org/uploads/product/MaP-6th-Edition-1-30-06.pdf
(scroll down to page 24 for summary) |
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