| Author |
Message |
    
moose
Citizen
Username: Moose
Post Number: 259
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:17 am: | 
|
Pros and cons, all opinions welcome. |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1321
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:19 am: |
|
You are going get a flood of people opposing it for aesthetic reason. My house has it (I bought it that way). It is my dream to remove it some day. I think it's terribly ugly.
Pros: Cheap, easy upkeep. |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 6713
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
|
No. |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 123
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:23 am: |
|
I oppose it for aesthetic reasons. |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 6714
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:24 am: |
|
OK - I'm just guessing here, but at the prices people pay for houses in Maplewood/SO, I'd think it would be a negative.
People buy here instead of further west for all kinds of reasons, but a big one is the unusual housing stock and loving attention to restoration and original detail that many owners give during home improvement projects.
What kind of house do you have? When was it built?
And....
No. |
Jennifer Pickett
Citizen
Username: Jpickett
Post Number: 159
Registered: 4-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:25 am: |
|
For other towns-great. For these towns (M/SO), I am not in favor of it, particularly if your house was built pre-1950. I have seen very few houses were it was done well, but on the majority it gives an incongruous look of modern siding on a older structure. We went through the same decision (being from MI and NC where vinyl siding was popular and fit in well with new construction neighborhoods) and decided to keep up with the paint. |
dave23
Citizen
Username: Dave23
Post Number: 1322
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:26 am: |
|
Moose,
Not even ten minutes have passed... |
moose
Citizen
Username: Moose
Post Number: 260
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:43 am: |
|
Yes, this is what I had suspected.
Thanks everyone! |
Handygirl
Citizen
Username: Handygirl
Post Number: 587
Registered: 2-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 11:07 am: |
|
 |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4323
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 11:25 am: |
|
In retrospect, the worst homeowner mistake I ever made was having vinyl siding put up. Not that it looks all THAT bad, it's just not appropriate for the house and cuts off a lot of options for painting and detail we'd have otherwise. |
peteglider
Citizen
Username: Peteglider
Post Number: 1766
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 11:35 am: |
|
Its a "neighborhood" aestehtic issue.
The town I moved from, with most houses built in the 1980's and 90's -- vinyl was considered a plus. In my development, the builder used "architectural windows" (whatever that is) -- which could be painted.
In the years I lived there -- some people painted their windows neat color combos, some however had even them covered with vinyl!
I'd love to have a maintenance free exterior -- but in this area vinyl is frowned upon.
I noticed a house on Wyoming (close to SO border) -- that is having all the vinyl siding pulled off.
Pete
|
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 125
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 11:42 am: |
|
Vinyl siding is to houses what a toupee is to heads.
J.B. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10557
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 12:05 pm: |
|
You don't have to go very far to find towns where vinyl siding is considered a plus. Look at the Sunday adds in the Star Ledger and you will find ads touting vinyl as close as Springfield.
I have no problem with vinyl on newer houses in neighborhoods where it is the norm. However, here in MW and SO 95% of the time it is out of place. |
Rick B
Citizen
Username: Ruck1977
Post Number: 980
Registered: 8-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 12:34 pm: |
|
we have vinyl siding (it was here when we bought), and I am not sure if this is a sign that it wasn't done well, or not, but I have noticed some seems creeping up here and there. Easily fixed with a properly positioned nail, but it always makes me wonder, what the heck does it look like under there?? |
Meandtheboys
Citizen
Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 2916
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 12:36 pm: |
|
Well said, J.B. I agree 100%.
I've seen quite a few houses in the last couple of years that have removed vinyl/aluminum/whatever siding, and just that act of taking it off improved the look of the house--even before they patched and painted the wood underneath.
Yuck. |
Spare_o
Supporter
Username: Spare_o
Post Number: 354
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 12:58 pm: |
|
I agree with Meand. The house across the street from us was recently renovated. One of the biggest improvements was removing the vinyl siding. It's now painted a wonderful shade of green and I like looking out my front window much better now. |
doulamomma
Citizen
Username: Doulamomma
Post Number: 936
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 1:25 pm: |
|
I'm in the "no" aesthetic camp as well...
I know there are concerns with paint (lead , etc.), but environmental concerns with vinyl should possibly factor into one's decision as well.
The topic is covered with humor in the documentary "Blue Vinyl"
http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/bv.html |
Lisa Novemsky
Citizen
Username: Novemsky
Post Number: 1
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 1:30 pm: |
|
Perhaps someone can advise me as to what, other than vinyl, would provide a good cover for asbestos siding. I have given up on painting the asbestos because it rapidly peels and the paint turns to powder. Any ideas and recommendations for dependable contractors would be helpful. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10563
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 2:04 pm: |
|
Lisa, I think that might be one of the exceptions. I believe removal of the asbestos siding has to be done by a licensed remdiation company and this is big bucks. Also, new cedar or redwood siding is a major expense these days.
I would, under the circumstances you mention, consider vinyl an improvement, but I am sure many here wouldn't agree, at least as long as it isn't their pocketbook taking the hit. |
Virtual It Girl
Citizen
Username: Shh
Post Number: 3952
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 2:33 pm: |
|
Lisa, how about the cement board? I don't know the exact name, but it looks like regular clapboards but is made of some type of composite. I've read about it and seen it on TV shows. It supposedly holds paint much better than regular wood siding.
I'm sure someone here will know about it.
Another option might be to stucco the house. |
peteglider
Citizen
Username: Peteglider
Post Number: 1767
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 3:33 pm: |
|
quick note -- removing asbestos shingles is not a big deal. the asbestos is encapsulated and will not get into the atmosphere, even when the shingle breaks.
(based on what I know -- perhaps there are exceptions!)
/p |
kathy
Citizen
Username: Kathy
Post Number: 1257
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 4:31 pm: |
|
Hardiplank is a brand of cement board siding. I think it is from the James Hardie Company. In my Maryland neighborhood, where some upscale new houses are being built in traditional styles, siding is generally either cedar shingles (which now come pre-nailed in sheets) or the Hardiplank clapboards. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10571
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 5:44 pm: |
|
Pete, it has to be desposed of as hazardous waste. I know some contractors ignore the rules, but that doesn't make it legal. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8553
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 5:53 pm: |
|
Has anyone had the pre-nailed sheets Kathy mentions installed? |
george H
Citizen
Username: Georgieboy
Post Number: 115
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 5:57 pm: |
|
Vinyl siding can look pristine,yet have all kinds of dynamics happening beneath it.As the old saw goes,"the devils in the details".Some outfits look to get in and out asap and sometimes things don't get detailed properly.I've worked on jobs where the water was being trapped by the siding and running behind it.From the ground it looked good but behind it was a different case.Your not able to tell until the problem somehow makes itself known and by then the damage has been done.Hardi-Plank & Hardi-Shake are good alternatives but can cost close to dbl. the price of vinyl,not incl.the cost of removal of the old siding or the painting of the new siding. |
george H
Citizen
Username: Georgieboy
Post Number: 116
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 6:01 pm: |
|
I think kathy is referring to 4ft.lengths of shakes 1 course high.The best vinyl on the market is Cedar Impressions and comes the same way. |
Michael K. Mc Kell
Citizen
Username: Greenerose
Post Number: 838
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 7, 2006 - 10:10 pm: |
|
How many ways can you say cheap junk.
The old saying is "Side it and hide it"
|
joso
Citizen
Username: Joso
Post Number: 328
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 1:29 pm: |
|
Lisa,
We have painted asbestos siding and it has maintained the paint very well, 5 years and it looks like new. It may be the quality of the paint, not the siding.
|
kmk
Supporter
Username: Kmk
Post Number: 961
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - 1:42 pm: |
|
No.
Don't do it. |
darrensager
Citizen
Username: Darrensager
Post Number: 291
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 2:27 pm: |
|
Wow. Reading these posts most people in town have no idea whats available in vinyl siding. I'm not a proponent of it. However I've been very impressed by the options now available. Most people would have a hard time figuring out if something is vinyl or wood.
I agree a lot has to do with the installation. If you're going to put it on your home, you're much better off stripping the original siding off. More work, but much better results in how it looks.
|
thegoodsgt
Citizen
Username: Thegoodsgt
Post Number: 916
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 4:03 pm: |
|
I hate vinyl, but what do homeowners do when they cannot afford to have their traditional siding properly finished? If the expectation is that vinyl is frowned upon, I guess potential home buyers should plan to budget for the necessary expenses to maintain the wood siding.
A difficult decision.... |
Meandtheboys
Citizen
Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 2951
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 4:06 pm: |
|
I can't imagine it costs less to put vinyl siding on a house than it does to paint it!
darren, I challenge you to show me a house with vinyl siding that looks like it isn't vinyl siding. I can always spot siding. It's kind of like how I am with butter. I can always tell the difference between real butter and imitation, no matter how good they claim the imitation is. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8582
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 4:31 pm: |
|
Less in the long term, I think. |
darrensager
Citizen
Username: Darrensager
Post Number: 293
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 9:03 pm: |
|
Me Me Me,
Some examples of vinyl on homes. Not too shabby!
 |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 145
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 9, 2006 - 11:14 pm: |
|
Some info for vinyl siders and toupee wearers:
http://www.toupee.co.kr/tomakeatemplate.html
J.B. |
JMF
Citizen
Username: Jmf
Post Number: 240
Registered: 9-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 8:35 am: |
|
"I can't imagine it costs less to put vinyl siding on a house than it does to paint it!"
What if your siding needs to be replaced?
The maintenance of Vinyl is of course much cheaper.
You guys should start an anti-vinyl fund...
Where once per year, you find someone who is about to put vinyl siding on their house, and you pay the difference to upgrade them to wood clapboard, or something....  |
tom
Citizen
Username: Tom
Post Number: 4330
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 8:39 am: |
|
You can finance siding, which is the trap I fell into. I don't know of any housepainters who'll do that for you. |
Meandtheboys
Citizen
Username: Meandtheboys
Post Number: 2960
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 8:55 am: |
|
darren, yes very beautiful for a McMansion. I actually meant something I could see in person. Not new construction so much, because I think a majority of new construction uses "fake" siding (and fake stone) because it is clearly more cost effective. Unless it's custom and somebody pays a lot of money for it.
More specfically, I guess the challenge should have been: "show me an older home where the original wood siding has been replaced with vinyl (or whatever) and I can pretty much always spot it, not matter how 'great' they claim it looks."
Thanks though. |
darrensager
Citizen
Username: Darrensager
Post Number: 295
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 10:35 am: |
|
All I can do is try!
|
Dobler88
Citizen
Username: Dobler88
Post Number: 91
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 11:04 am: |
|
I've always wondered, can't they do the vinyl sidiing and make it as wide as the original wood siding? It seems like a dead giveaway for the final is that the siding is very narrow and very uniform. My house has wide long planks on the first story, then on the second story, they are shorter and a bit narrower...but still way wider than vinyl. I'm not morally opposed to vinyl, I just wish it didn't scream "vinyl over an old house." |
gj1
Citizen
Username: Gj1
Post Number: 306
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 3:07 pm: |
|
Love that authentic wood grain on vinyl siding. Also, the sheen is so lovely, almost as nice as that from plastic fences. |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 148
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 10, 2006 - 11:33 pm: |
|
gj1, Go ahead... start a thread about vinyl fencing.
I'll be there.
J.B. |
Amie Brockway-Metcalf
Citizen
Username: Amie
Post Number: 501
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 11, 2006 - 6:26 pm: |
|
On Academy St in SO, between 5th and 4th streets, there's three nice houses in a row that have vinyl siding. One of them is the shingle style and I think it looks pretty great, compared to my shattered asbestos siding. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10637
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 5:05 am: |
|
If you want to see what happens when siding is removed from a house take a drive up Clinton Avenue. A few houses up from Ridgewood on the right is a house undergoing a top to bottom rennovation, inclduing taking off the siding. The siding removal is about have done. |
Lisa Novemsky
Citizen
Username: Novemsky
Post Number: 2
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 9:12 am: |
|
Thanks for all the opinions and information. George, I checked out the cedar impressions online. They don't seem to have any vendors or contractors in the area? Perhaps you know of one???
|
george H
Citizen
Username: Georgieboy
Post Number: 125
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:33 am: |
|
Lisa,any vinyl siding contractor is able to purchase and install cedar impressions as it goes up like traditional vinyl siding.I for one would go with someone who has worked with it before and whose work you could have a look at.I think that Myles Kelly in Chatham carries it and probably has a display in the showroom.They could also reccomend a installer if you so desired. |
Lisa Novemsky
Citizen
Username: Novemsky
Post Number: 3
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 12, 2006 - 10:43 am: |
|
George,
Thanks for the advice. |
Arnold
Citizen
Username: Window_doctor
Post Number: 6
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 12:31 pm: |
|
BOB K. I will let you know that you do NOT need to have an abatement license for siding or roofing, as in the asbestos families these are considered to only be dangerous when cut or burned. I still will agree that it is not cheap as the company needs to dispose of it properly. Be warned that a lot of times after the asbestos is removed some homes are sheathed with fiber board sheathing instead of plywood, this should be replaced with wood sheathing. IMHO |
Arnold
Citizen
Username: Window_doctor
Post Number: 7
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, February 13, 2006 - 12:39 pm: |
|
I AGREE HOWEVER.......... The options are there too build a better moustrap. Anyone that would like to see pictures and obtain some address's that have these alternates to vinyl siding feel free to private message me and I will try to help.
By the way Hardi board, hardi plank and hardi stucco are also great alternates of choice, as well as a polypropelene product called Pellican Bay. |
Closed: New threads not accepted on this page