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TomR
Citizen
Username: Tomr
Post Number: 1008
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 10:53 pm: | 
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Finally getting around to doing the sunporch and have run into a problem striping the old wallpaper.
The paper is laid up on wood paneling which is a bit less stable than balsa wood. Taking the old paper down without destroying the paneling is going to be near impossible and TS has issued an edict that I am NOT to pull the paneling down.
Any suggestions I should know about to paper over paper?
Thanks.
TomR |
Cindy Bellow
Citizen
Username: Sob
Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 9:17 am: |
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Why can't you pull down paneling and replace with sheetrock? |
Jgberkeley
Citizen
Username: Jgberkeley
Post Number: 4465
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 10:10 am: |
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Paper over paper is a bad idea. Talk to TS. |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 244
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 12:09 pm: |
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Wood paneling? Real or the laminated type? That fake stuff comes off with a screwdriver poked under the seams. I pulled down an entire room of it the night we moved it, and I was drunk. It's THAT easy.
J.B. |
mark halliday
Citizen
Username: Markhalliday
Post Number: 10
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 12:11 pm: |
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JG is very right but you also may be unpleasantly surprised if you pull the paneling down. there are probably a lot of nails and if the installers used adhesive that may pull away or pit whats underneath. And they may have installed the paneling to hide something else |
TomR
Citizen
Username: Tomr
Post Number: 1009
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 8:15 pm: |
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Pulling the paneling is not an option at this point.
Its wood, but like I wrote above, It lacks the structural integrity of balsa.
I removed the paper from a small section, part of it using paper stripper, and part using only water. In both cases, the paneling was much the worse for the effort.
So for the time being, its going to be paper over paper. (I'll get to do it my way in a year or two).
Any suggestions or precautions for putting paper over paper?
TomR |
Jgberkeley
Citizen
Username: Jgberkeley
Post Number: 4466
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 9:50 pm: |
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"Any suggestions or precautions for putting paper over paper?"
Yes.
Do NOt Do it.
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Fabulouswalls
Citizen
Username: Fabulouswalls
Post Number: 22
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2006 - 10:12 pm: |
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Assuming that the wallpaper is not coming down at all.
1. sand whatever you can to smooth out the mess from trying to strip the old paper
2. Spackle if needed to make an even surface.
3. Prime over the whole area with Shieldz
4. Use a wallpaper liner for even smoother walls
5. prime the liner as well using a wall prep
6. hang your new paper
7. any questions send me a message
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Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 10803
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 5:19 am: |
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Having stripped several layers of wallpaper off walls I assure you it will stick. I still have bad dreams about one room. 
In an ideal world I don't think wallpaper over wallpaper is ideal. However, if you don't want to redo the walls, which seems to be the case with TomR it can be done as outlined by Fabulouswalls. Sheetrocking over the exising plaster isn't a good idea because of the trim around all the windows in a sun room.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 8769
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 9:48 am: |
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I think if it's vinyl or coated wallpaper it needs to come off first because new wallpaper needs a porous surface. Bobk's was probably uncoated wallpaper. |
Fabulouswalls
Citizen
Username: Fabulouswalls
Post Number: 23
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 12:56 pm: |
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Shieldz will stick to the existing surface. Make sure the surface is clean before priming. |
Barbara
Citizen
Username: Blh
Post Number: 625
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 2:14 pm: |
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How about painting over wallpaper?
Our kitchen walls were in terrible shape when we moved in 17 years ago. We plastered and sanded, then papered with a non-vinyl, non-coated paper. Now its time for a change. Must the paper come down, or can I make sure it is glued well with no loose seams?
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Fabulouswalls
Citizen
Username: Fabulouswalls
Post Number: 25
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 5:05 pm: |
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I would still try to remove it first. If you prepped the walls before you papered them it will come down much easier. If you don't remove the paper you should seal it with BIN and then you can paint over it. |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 250
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 11:27 pm: |
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This just seems like a BAD IDEA. It's the kind of thing I worry was done to a house when I buy a house. Try not to turn your house into a multi-layered mess.
Do it right the first time. You want to cover wood that you claim lacks the structural integrity of balsa? TomR, I know you know better.
Come on! I, for one, will not condone this. When I am weak and I post about doing crappy work. I expect the people of MOL to talk me down.
J.B.
This is right up there with vinyl siding and "instant" bathroom redos and toupees. |
Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 251
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 11:29 pm: |
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This just seems like a BAD IDEA. It's the kind of thing I worry was done to a house when I buy a house. Try not to turn your house into a multi-layered mess.
Do it right the first time. You want to cover wood that you claim lacks the structural integrity of balsa? TomR, I know you know better.
Come on! I, for one, will not condone this. When I am weak and I post about doing crappy work. I expect the people of MOL to talk me down.
J.B.
This is right up there with vinyl siding and "instant" bathroom redos and toupees. |
mark halliday
Citizen
Username: Markhalliday
Post Number: 11
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2006 - 11:51 pm: |
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yeah, don't do it!!!! You WILL regret it and it may not look a heck of alot better than it does now. At the risk of having lost the thread(every pun intended) why not just paint it or has that already been discussed?? |
Fabulouswalls
Citizen
Username: Fabulouswalls
Post Number: 26
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 1:06 pm: |
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I agree that if I were buying the house I would be annoyed about having to take down all of that wallpaper. But this seems more about getting the job done without too much hassle. Yes it would be better to remove the old paper. But this is not a choice according to OP. |
TomR
Citizen
Username: Tomr
Post Number: 1010
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 6:44 pm: |
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Thanks to one and all for the suggestions, warnings and even the admonitions.
The problem has been resolved.
The problem with the first piece of paneling was not caused by the stripper or the scraper. It was the water damage from a (since fixed) leak which had damaged that piece of paneling. The rest of the paper is coming down easily. Well, as easily as stripping wall paper gets.
Thanks again to all who responded, but especially Fabulouswalls, for the tip on Shieldz. I was going to use another primer by the same manufacturer, but if I find myself with this particular problem again, I'll keep the Shieldz
in mind.
One last question for Fabulouswalls. Could you tell me more about wallpaper liner. I knew I had to prime and size before papering. But had never heard of wallpaper liner.
What is it, and what does it do?
TomR |
Fabulouswalls
Citizen
Username: Fabulouswalls
Post Number: 27
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 27, 2006 - 9:55 pm: |
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Wallpaper liner is typically a white or off-white material and is usually made of either paper or fiberglass. The paper is used to block out dark colors and smooth out small imperfections in the wall. It sometimes can be used on paneling with grooves that are not too deep. The fiberglass liner is thicker and can be used on all surfaces including paneling and cinder block. Liner is usually hung horizontally to avoid the seams meeting with the top paper. There are other types of liners out there but these are the most commonly used ones. |
TomR
Citizen
Username: Tomr
Post Number: 1012
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 28, 2006 - 10:19 pm: |
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Fab'walls,
Thanks.
TomR |
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