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figaro
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Username: Figaro
Post Number: 2
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 10:43 am: | 
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after receiving over 8 estimates on my floors, i'm still confused. some insist on water based, while others swear by the old oil based finishes. anyone have any insight on this? |
ffof
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Username: Ffof
Post Number: 4600
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 11:31 am: |
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don't do water based. The finish will look cloudy. It does dry in about an hour, but the old way dries in about 5 hours if it's not humid. The ones saying water are just lazy, imo. They don't want to have to get out the turpentine. |
Dave
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Username: Dave
Post Number: 8982
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 11:43 am: |
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Our water based finish doesn't look cloudy, but you won't get as high a gloss from it compared to oil (which we didn't want anyway). The fumes from oil based are extreme. You will probably want to move out for a day or 2. |
ffof
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Username: Ffof
Post Number: 4601
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 11:55 am: |
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You're lucky then Dave. The finish we had on the new part of our kitchen was water based, and I never liked it. It has since been ripped out when we re-did the whole kitchen floor and used oil-based (semi-gloss, wish I had used satin) and I am much happier.
We also just re-did our hall steps in oil(satin finish, they are beauteous!). The fumes were not extreme, no need to move out. Kinda worried about the kids, though, they're still sleeping...jk |
Case
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Username: Case
Post Number: 1312
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 12:14 pm: |
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Who are you using to do the floors? I had a VERY bad experience with Expert Hardwood out of Verona; feel free to PL me for details.
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Kitchenguru
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Username: Kitchenguru
Post Number: 44
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 2:15 pm: |
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I did my first two floors with water-based and absolutely hate it. Oil gives a richer look and is more durable. For lighter colors oil-based will also give a darker look than water. I did my third floor with oil and I love it. The drawback with the oil is it can take much longer to dry and after six weeks I could still smell it. Water-based has very little odour and dries quickly--some contractors charge more for it. I am allergic to everything so it could just be me. I had to leave when the oil was done for almost a week.
I recommend Derek and Greg of D&G at 973-372-2526.
They do great work and are two professional and personable gentlemen. I have recommended them over and over with rave reviews. |
sportsnut
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Username: Sportsnut
Post Number: 2351
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 12:10 pm: |
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Kitchenguru - we just had a guy named Derek put a new floor in our kitchen. I wonder if he's the same guy - he was hired by our GC.
We went with a water based finish called Traffic and we are very happy with the results. The odor was minimal (which was important to us) and we were allowed to walk on it (with socks) after about four hours. They put the final coat on this past Sunday and it looks great. Traffic is not cheap but according to our Derek it is the best water based product out there. |
themp
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Username: Themp
Post Number: 2729
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 12:20 pm: |
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Water based let me down, too. Looks worn out after three years. |
Glock 17
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Username: Glock17
Post Number: 391
Registered: 7-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 12:48 pm: |
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All our floors are hardwood..everyone of them..and I do believe we've allways used oil-based ..and they are not so extreme that you have to move out. Open a window. Get a fan. |
Kitchenguru
Citizen
Username: Kitchenguru
Post Number: 49
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 1:15 pm: |
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Water-based looks good in the beginning but it does not hold up over time as well as oil. The difference has nothing to do with sheen, you can get a low sheen with oil as well. Remember the Good/Fast/Cheap concept? You only get two (max)out of three! |
Jim Murphy
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Username: Jimmurphy
Post Number: 271
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 1:33 pm: |
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Bonakemi Traffic is a water-based finish and is as durable as they come, much more durable than oil.
http://www.bona.com/templates_bona/product.asp?id=2067
We've had it on our floors for 4 years now and I see absolutely no evidence of wear, despite a dog and 2 kids.
We got it at Orange Floor Supply. I applied it myself.
Waterbased finishes are clear as opposed to amber and don't darken like oil. Depends on the look you're going for.
Check it out. |
Kitchenguru
Citizen
Username: Kitchenguru
Post Number: 50
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 3:05 pm: |
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We used the same product by Bonakemi and also use their floor cleaning products.
Derek told me oil is better and more durable and he was right. I did the water because of my asthma, next time I will move out for a week like I did in my last house. |
Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11088
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 3:39 pm: |
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Everything I have read in woodworking magazines indicates that water based poly is harder than oil based poly. In spite of this (not to mention the smell) we used oil based poly because we prefer the look on unstained light oak floors. |
Project 37
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Username: Project37
Post Number: 35
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 29, 2006 - 9:04 am: |
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My wife and I just closed on our house (hooray!) and are having some work done before we move in, including our floors. I'm convinced that the oil-based treatment will look better, but we're concerned about long-term offgassing (even after airing out the place for a few days). Hoping to expand the family soon, so naturally we want to make sure our environment is as safe as possible. Besides leaving the doors and windows open 24/7, is there a workaround?
In the meantime, the Bonakemi Traffic looks promising as far as water-based options go...thanks for the tip! |
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