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missmelissa
Citizen
Username: Mlmelcher
Post Number: 22
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 13, 2006 - 9:49 pm: | 
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(Preface: i have looked in the archives and found some info already, but would love some fresh opinions since sanding seems to have become increasingly popular in the past year or so....)
Our house needs to be repainted badly. We've gotten quotes from 2 of the usual suspects recommended on this board.
One estimate suggests we should sand to 95% bare wood...that estimate is $8500 (yikes!)
The other estimate suggests that they house only needs to be spot sanded and comes in a bit lower at $7000
We just bought the house so we have no idea if it has ever been sanded to bare wood or when.
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Bob K
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Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11211
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 7:32 am: |
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Is there a lot of pealing paint, alligatoring, etc.? If not you probably don't need a full sanding.
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melicious
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Username: Melicious
Post Number: 396
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 9:32 am: |
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i have lots of peeling paint and am sanding down to wood. the previous owners used something called "liquid siding" to paint the house and it is unbelievable in its: a) ugliness and b) peely-ness. what were they thinking????
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missmelissa
Citizen
Username: Mlmelcher
Post Number: 23
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 8:47 pm: |
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We have patches of peeling paint and aligatoring...only in certain sections, not the entire house. We've been told by a neighbor that the house was painted in 2001, and I'm not sure I'm up for a $7K spend every 5 years if at all possible!!
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upondaroof
Citizen
Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 622
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 14, 2006 - 9:18 pm: |
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"I'm not sure I'm up for a $7K spend every 5 years if at all possible!!"
Think of it in relation to the fact that every 3 to 5 years, you spend 3 to 5 times that amount (at least) for a new car, even if you lease! You can run the car through the wash and have it waxed and detailed and barring any accidents or mishaps, the car will look great in 5 years. Now, sand the house down to bare and "sure we'll wait X amount of days before priming and painting, because it rained." Yeah, right. Painters want to get the job done and move on and even if it's done by the book, the paint job is subject to all the nastiness that Mother Nature can toss at it and if you get 5 years out of the job with no problems at all, you're truly blessed.
If you really want to be done with the painting gig, think vinyl (or have them clear coat the paint job!) |
HOMMELL
Citizen
Username: Hommell
Post Number: 115
Registered: 11-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, April 16, 2006 - 7:42 pm: |
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Anyone looked into HardiPlank? |
Smarty Jones
Citizen
Username: Birdstone
Post Number: 527
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 10:08 am: |
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Two thoughts...
1) Sanding down to bare wood is rarely neccessary, only in the most extreme scenarios.
2) The difference between Spot Sanding and Complete Sanding should be more than $1500.
I'd get a couple more bids to determine a fairer price, and also to determine whether or not you really need to bring it back to bare wood. Plan on repainting every 7 years (although painters will tell you every 4)
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mim
Citizen
Username: Mim
Post Number: 578
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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I had the same issues last year, and my estimates came in about as you say, missmelissa, for full sanding and spot-sanding. I also got a lot of hooey about how you HAD to go back to bare wood because spot-sanding invited paint failure.
I did choose spot-sanding in the end, though honestly they sanded much more than I would have expected. The paint job is still too new to know how it's going to hold up over time.
Anway, a dilemma -- I empathize. |
emmie
Supporter
Username: Emmie
Post Number: 719
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 11:42 am: |
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When I had my house painted a few years ago, I was warned that complete sanding, down to the wood, will eventually make the shingles thinner and fragile. I went for spot sanding and it worked out fine. |
jsr
Citizen
Username: Jsr
Post Number: 6
Registered: 3-2006
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 3:17 pm: |
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I got a quote for hardiplank for my smallish maplewood house. Over 18000 for a complete job, with taking down my cedar clapboard, installing housewrap, vinyl/alluminum clading of the window trim, soffits, etc. it certainly has a good look to it, but I'm not sure if they fit in well with the rest of the houses in the neighboorhood. The new wider boards are the same size as typical cedar clapboard. long warrenty (I think it was 30 years)
I wasn't ready to spend that kind of money. I need a new bathroom/kitchen first.
Boy I wish I had a ton of money (or won the lottery) to deal with these old homes
Jeff |
eln
Citizen
Username: Ns815
Post Number: 44
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Monday, April 17, 2006 - 7:23 pm: |
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This past fall we had our colonial completely sanded, primed, and coated twice . ($6000, from Rutgers Painting). We need to have them back -- when sanding cedar, the oils came through in sections, so they have to "revisit" those spots... All in all, having the complete sanding done was great. We held out when they first gave us the estimate, and several weeks later recieved a letter from them offering a 7% discount if we do the job now, rather than later...a great deal. (And tax free when paid in cash -- a 15% discount.) |
calypso
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Username: Calypso
Post Number: 15
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 9:21 pm: |
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The problem with sanding is that if your house has any lead paint on it at all, the sanding will release it into the air, and your lungs. We just spend a bunch of money last fall doing lead abatement, including painting the front porch, and the Maplewood lead expert (who does free visits and advice) warned us to scrape and sand as little as possible. |
John Smith
Citizen
Username: Johns15
Post Number: 2
Registered: 2-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 6:48 pm: |
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Yes, lead base paint was used before 1978, and sanding it is very dangerous, especially for kids. |
cwalk
Citizen
Username: Cwalk
Post Number: 72
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Monday, May 1, 2006 - 10:08 pm: |
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Well, I had my house painted very inexpensively, and I sometimes you get what you pay for. My house is peeling particularly at the bottom. The house was so hideous before that ANYTHING would have made it look better. We will eventually have to repaint and way sooner than we had hoped. I think we'll call rutgers |
Politicalmon
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Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 138
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 9:41 am: |
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If you plan to have the house sanded watch out for companies that use rotary sanders - they will damage your wood as these devices go against the grain. I concur with what Smarty Jones stated - the local paint companies will use the we have to sand it down to the wood line to inflate the price of the overall job. The peeling of paint is typically caused by water or moisture seepeing in between the primer and top coat of paint and are more indicative of water overflow or water routing problems coming off the roof or poor surface preperation by the previous painter. Don't call Rutgers, you will be sorry. |
Richard Kessler
Citizen
Username: Richiekess
Post Number: 117
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 10:20 am: |
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So, Politicalmon, who do you call rather than Rutgers? |
mjh
Supporter
Username: Mjh
Post Number: 487
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 10:54 am: |
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By ordinance, exterior sanding in M/SO must be done with a vacuum sander in order to limit lead contamination. Certainly it's not 100%, but we were impressed with the daily clean-up around our house (and we weren't ever around during the sanding, and kept the windows tighly closed).
I can only speak from our experience, which is that our house was fully sanded, and looks great after 5 years (Rutgers did the job and we were very satisfied). It's hard for me to believe that all that peeling paint didn't need a lot of sanding.
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Travis
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Username: Travis
Post Number: 411
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 12:32 pm: |
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Quote:The peeling of paint is typically caused by water or moisture seeping in between the primer and top coat of paint....
A lot of times the peeling is caused by water that gets behind the siding and then penetrates the wood from behind. Back-priming the siding goes a long way to alleviating the problem. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11384
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 12:36 pm: |
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Travis, true, but how do you get the siding off the studs to back-priime it?  |
Travis
Citizen
Username: Travis
Post Number: 412
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 12:44 pm: |
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Details, details..... |
Politicalmon
Citizen
Username: Politicalmon
Post Number: 140
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 2:57 pm: |
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RK,
I really don't have a recommendation ~ I've gone thought 30 years of 'Old House Journals' to educate myself about the right and wrong ways to apply exterior paint to a house. The key appears to be the prep and quality of the primer, paint and environmental factors as to when the layers had been applied. The problem with Rutgers is that they are a front company for a number of migrant crews from Central America so you can never really be sure what you’re getting as far a quality in workmanship. One customer can get a crew that is excellent where as in my case the crew which constantly changed over the 4-5 weeks and was a nightmare. What was interesting is that early on in our process my wife (being the true humanitarian that she is)was feeling sorry for the plight these guys living far from home working their tails off started giving individuals $100 tips in her belief that it would create a better situation in the long run and her belief that they were doing a good job. I had to educate her on the proper methodology concerning exterior painting using the 'Old House Journal' as my reference. Once she realized what was going on she stepped away from the ordeal. Yes, we had other quotes and Murphy stated he could do a better job but it would be more expensive then the original quote of $16K which I thought was outrageous to begin with. I don't know if Murphy would have really been an improvement since I didn't use him and have no reference to his work. The bottom line is that I purchased building scaffolding which I have stored away and when the time comes (next year) I will start a new process of painting one side of my house each summer for the next four years. I will GC the job over a nice sunny weekend - pick up a couple guys on Scotland RD and Central Avenue in Orange in the early AM and with the money I save take my wife & kids on a nice vacation. I've talked with other people in SO who feel the cost of painting a house every 5-6 years is planned obsolescence at its best - empower yourself and break free if you can.
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