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Lisa Novemsky
Citizen
Username: Novemsky
Post Number: 7
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 2:54 pm: | 
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I am still looking for a quality vinyl siding, that does not look like vinyl siding to cover asbestos shingles. Any ideas? |
george H
Citizen
Username: Georgieboy
Post Number: 168
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 4:04 pm: |
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Yeah,remove the asbestos for starters rather than covering it up.Its a good time to check your sheathing and re-felt prior to siding,not to mention new drip caps over doors and windows.Vinyl looks like vinyl,nature of the beast and all,but cedar impressions really look smart albeit rather expensive. |
Darren Say Grrrrrrrr
Citizen
Username: Darrensager
Post Number: 377
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 18, 2006 - 9:39 pm: |
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http://www.alside.com/index.aspx?page=66
Pelican Bay by Alside is come of the best looking plastic siding I've seen. Its not vinyl but polypropylene.
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Lisa Novemsky
Citizen
Username: Novemsky
Post Number: 8
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 4:23 pm: |
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Who removes asbestos siding?
Why is it better to remove it???
The asbestos covers hundred year old cedar shakes.
Would there be sheathing and felt under that???
Thanks for the advice so far... |
george H
Citizen
Username: Georgieboy
Post Number: 170
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 6:03 pm: |
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I truly find it hard to believe that the asbestos is over shakes due to the rigidness and fragileness of the asbestos,not to mention the fact that it needs to lay flat on the sheathing which a layer of shakes would not allow.That said,anything is possible I guess,but either way,yes,there would be sheathing underneath the siding no matter how many layers there are.I would think that you would want to inspect your sheathing and make any appropiate repairs rather than slapping up another layer of siding and not knowing what conditions may have been caused by time/wear&tear.Odds are,that was the mindset when they put asbestos over cedar,if in fact that is the case. |
Lisa Novemsky
Citizen
Username: Novemsky
Post Number: 9
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, April 22, 2006 - 7:04 pm: |
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Many thanks George. That sounds like good advice. But how does one access the sheathing with two layers of siding over it???
By the way, I am quite positive the asbestos is over the cedar, since I have seen the cedar many times when repairs were in order.
I would bet the sheathing is not good. There was an area where I had leak problems, which were solved by putting roofing over the other two. Now there's a thick layering issue???
What do others think of the Pelican Bay polypropylene siding suggested by Darren??? |
george H
Citizen
Username: Georgieboy
Post Number: 172
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, April 23, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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Back to my original post,removing all the siding is the only way to access the sheathing.You'll probably find it to be 1x12 or 1x10 shiplap,or just a sq. edged board as plywood had'nt yet been invented.Depending on your financial condition,the possibilities are there for you to think about re-insulating while you're at it,but its always easy for me to spend someone elses money. |
Case
Citizen
Username: Case
Post Number: 1413
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 11:57 am: |
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Yes, and the cost of removing the asbestos shingle will be prohibitve, to say the least.
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Jersey Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 575
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 - 9:27 pm: |
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Lisa,
You're stuck between a rock (removing asbestos and the cost of doing that safely) and a hard place (being another homeowner who just covers up the problem and passes it to the person who buys the house from you).
You've been on the receiving end of the latter. I don't know if you were informed of this problem when you bought, but will you really be comfortable covering it up and selling without telling?
If not, you should fix it properly. Because the value of your house hangs in the balance. You'll get the money back when you sell. If you cover it, headaches await...
J.B. |
Arnold
Citizen
Username: Window_doctor
Post Number: 17
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:37 am: |
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Dear Lisa,
The problem you face is not uncommon IMHO the right thing to do is to strip off the asbestos and the shakes. I respectfully disagree with George in respect to asbestos not being installed over cedar shakes, this is quite common they install wood lath as a leveler, than install over the lath.
The best way to describe the problem of siding over asbestos is that if you had a dinner plate, hold it up on the wall and drive a nail through it with a hammer what would happen? It would shatter, as does the asbestos, and residing this will in time cause the cracked tiles to drop behind the siding and cause bulges and buckeling, this is when the contractor says "well you did not want to take it off". When it was originally installed it had pre-punched nail holes in it, therefore they would not break. As far as Pellican Bay goes I could not agree more with Mr. Sager, this is hands down 100% better than Cedar Impressions, if done properly. Please PL me to find out more and I can also get you some more info on disposal prices as well. |
Travis
Citizen
Username: Travis
Post Number: 397
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 10:44 am: |
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Why would someone recommend plastic siding over fiber cement? |
upondaroof
Citizen
Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 646
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 11:11 am: |
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"Why would someone recommend plastic siding over fiber cement?"
Saves time and money, but that don't make it right, or legal. Before the UCC reined in roofing, you were allowed to have three layers of roofing before you had to rip. Also cedar shake was considered sheathing, not roofing. The reasoning being that if you blew it off you're looking at the sky. So you could in theory have four layers of roofing and still be up to code. Then there was always someone who would slip in an extra roof here and there or the ultimate, slate over shakes (very common and long lasting) followed by an asphalt or two. Talk about a mess to clean up!! |
Travis
Citizen
Username: Travis
Post Number: 398
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 11:23 am: |
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Quote:Why would someone recommend plastic siding over fiber cement?
Oops, I need to clarify:
I meant why would one recommend plastic siding instead of fiber cement? |
upondaroof
Citizen
Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 649
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 1:06 pm: |
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Fiber cement siding is poop! Very fragile, slower to install, doesn't hold paint well, not installer friendly, adds nothing to the look of the house, yada yada.... Now plastic or vinyl. Also poop, but installed correctly it at least looks good until some one hits a line drive into it or you grill to close to it.
All the above in my humble opinion, of course! |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11323
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 1:25 pm: |
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While not happy about it, the house we bought has vinyl siding. Since the siding is new and so far nobody has melted it with a grill (with the former owner this would have been possible since he had three grills) and Little K hasn't been around to drive lacrosse balls into it, we are going to keep it for awhile, especially since their have been a couple of additions built on the house and I don't know if the siding matches the original.
However, I have a question for Up. Our family room is the former garage and when the conversion was done not enough windows were installed. We want to add a couple of windows. The question is? Does the siding have to be removed to do this or just cut through it? If it has to be removed can it be reused?
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george H
Citizen
Username: Georgieboy
Post Number: 175
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 2:04 pm: |
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Check out Hardi-plank for a good, dimensionally stable,rot resistant,cement siding.Granted,its harder to work with and does require specialized tools,but done right,will perform better than wood or vinyl.Its not inexpensive either,more than any other type of siding out there.Looks like clapboard or shakes and retains color outstandingly.Bob K.,you would want to remove the siding[easy to do],j-channel around windows,re-install siding for uniformity of color and style.Should be more than enough once you subtract the sq.footage that the windows take up. |
upondaroof
Citizen
Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 650
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 3:30 pm: |
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"However, I have a question for Up. Our family room is the former garage and when the conversion was done not enough windows were installed. We want to add a couple of windows. The question is? Does the siding have to be removed to do this or just cut through it? If it has to be removed can it be reused?"
Good question. I've installed windows through aluminum siding just by cutting through, but vinyl would be tough since it's a floppy product and if the saw stalls, it could shatter. I'd remove it as it's not that hard to do. You can buy a tool that does this maybe at HD or Lowes or more likely a siding supply house. Premier Aluminum on Freeman St. in W.Orange. Once you get one out, the rest come easy and yes, if you're careful, it can be re-used. |
Zoesky1
Citizen
Username: Zoesky1
Post Number: 1453
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 4:45 pm: |
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BobK, the house I bought in Livingston in August also has vinyl siding. It's certainly not my preference, but it's there, it's in good condition, a pretty nice color, and the siding underneath is absolutely hideous...plus as a single woman homeowner I actually appreciate the low maintenance aspect of it. Anyway, I had major work done when I moved in, which including having larger new windows installed. All they did was cut through the vinyl siding that was involved, not remove it. They were also able to buy more of it (from where, I don't know) to match any siding that got inadvertently damaged. Also, what is removed can be reused. I am now adding on a foyer/entryway to my house, and they plan to take some of the siding they took off and put it on the new exterior areas. |
Arnold
Citizen
Username: Window_doctor
Post Number: 18
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 6:24 pm: |
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George H
Hey I am not saying Hardi Plank does not look good, this was a topic on Quality Vinyl Siding not Fiber Cement. I also am still a skeptic, as Hardi Plank is facing HUGE lawsuits in Canada, and they are looking to relocate to a country that has no agreements with the USA in case they have to pay out on BIG lawsuits. Be Carefull I happen to know an awful lot about this industry, and although I am not against Hardi Plank I am cautious. As far as J-channels and the things that make vinyl siding look "plastic" you are correct.(PS Pellican Bay is Polypropelene color will last upwards of 50 years.) I agree for the Maplewood area Hardi Plank gives "the Look" that is desired. If you let a great contractor who really understands your town price it for you, you will be amazed! }Remember you don't call your butcher to add a room on your house do you????
Zoesky1 }also brings up a good point but when it comes to the Shake Type panels it is a little more involved and needs to be handled by a company that installs it often. Hey I have access to pictures of a lot of old homes that where re-sided with bith a Hardy siding and Pellican bay Just drop me a PL and I will be glad to let anyone see them.
Lets start a Fiber cement page and I will gladly get you some written articles for the comments I made. |
Travis
Citizen
Username: Travis
Post Number: 400
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 26, 2006 - 9:42 pm: |
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Arnold,
Your thread awaits.... |
Lisa Novemsky
Citizen
Username: Novemsky
Post Number: 10
Registered: 9-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 10:59 am: |
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Wow!!! Now I am very confused!!!
After all, won't the asbestos siding act as a good insulator and fire retardant?
Who is a good contractor for Pelican Bay??? I got an estimate from R&G but they came when I was not home...so I did not get a chance to discuss the issues with them.
I thank all of you for all of this great advice and discussion.
I have not made any decision...I am still chewing on all this complicated information. |
xtralargebrain
Citizen
Username: Xtralargebrain
Post Number: 5
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 - 9:14 pm: |
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I hope you do find a vinyl siding product that meets your aesthetic criteria. However, please consider that in the final analysis most grades of vinyl siding simply end up looking cheap and thats OK if you live in a rural area except that Maplewood is so not rural.
So many people spend significant resources to buy a home in Maplewood because they want to live in a vintage dwelling that is surrounded by other vintage dwellings (that include as many of the original features of the house as that can be practically restored). Sometimes its nice to preserve.
I am frequently disturbed and frustrated by the number of residents here in town that will contaminate a nice neighborhood by adding vinyl siding to their homes without even thinking about the overall visual impact on the neighborhood and resale value of their neighbors homes. Please take this into account.
Also, lift up some of the asbestos shingles. You might find some original shingles underneath that can be rehabilitated. |
Arnold
Citizen
Username: Window_doctor
Post Number: 21
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 10:21 am: |
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I will try to load some examples of older (non Maplewood homes) I will post some older Hardi Plank jobs also. |
Arnold
Citizen
Username: Window_doctor
Post Number: 22
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 10:27 am: |
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Darren Say Grrrrrrrr
Citizen
Username: Darrensager
Post Number: 390
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 1:46 pm: |
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Wow! That house looks a thousand times better. What did you use? |
Arnold
Citizen
Username: Window_doctor
Post Number: 24
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 3:01 pm: |
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Well, Elk Prestique High definition Non stain roof shingles, Quantum2 windows, and Pellican Bay Siding, and a little bit of "Vision".
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Travis
Citizen
Username: Travis
Post Number: 413
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 5, 2006 - 8:04 pm: |
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Arnold.
Arnie.
Arnie Roeland.
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Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11425
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 6, 2006 - 5:56 am: |
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Gosh, that looks a lot like our new house, with the exception we have a cape, not a gambrel.
Arnold, did you put in the large picture window on the left? We have a similar set up, actually almost identical, and it is the only original window in our house. |
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