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Jersey_Boy
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Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1486
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:04 pm: | 
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We've prepared the surfaces (thanks to all who helped with the spackling question). Now, where to begin. I've done the walls first and the trim was a pain in the you-know-what. I theorized that it would be better to paint the trim first, sloppy if need be, then paint the walls with a roller and the edges next to the trim with an edger.
Do I paint the ceiling first to prevent drips on the walls? So what's the order.
Ceilings, trim, then walls?
Chime in.
J.B. |
daylaborer
Citizen
Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 821
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:07 pm: |
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Ceilings, walls, trim. |
Mommasan
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Username: Mommasan
Post Number: 16
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:15 pm: |
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daylaborer is right but I've always done ceilings, trim, walls...lots of unnecessary taping! |
daylaborer
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Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 822
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:19 pm: |
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I never tape. That's why they call me Steady Eddie! |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8650
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:28 pm: |
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Day speaks the truth. However, I hate painting the trim so much that I change the order: ceilings, trim, walls. That way, when I'm sick and tired of the whole thing, I only have the easy stuff left to do.
So far, it's worked out pretty well. One trick is to let the trim dry thoroughly. That way, if you hit it with wall paint, you can wipe it right off with a damp towel instead of touching up.
Oh, wait. I just realized that you hate to wait for things to dry.  |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8651
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:29 pm: |
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Tape? Skipping that part makes it so much easier. Get rosin paper for the floors. It is more stable and thicker than newspaper or a drop cloth. You can put the edge right up to the wall. |
Mommasan
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Username: Mommasan
Post Number: 17
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:32 pm: |
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Hey that's my trick!
I once did trim, ceiling & walls...ON PURPOSE because the thought of painting the ceiling made me physically ill then came to my senses. |
Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1488
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:53 pm: |
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I paid for all of my beer in college with money earned painting trim in new construction. It was in New England and EVERYONE had to have a huge picture window with paned glass. I tried everything: tape, scraping the glass after and "steady hand" painting. (That's like working without a net. Just a rag in your back pocket. Steady Eddie, we should have a beer together.)
But, I've exhausted my personal limit of patience to paint trim. I'll do the ceiling first, that's obvious. But what's so wrong with painting the trim first, then using a trim edger to make the walls neat?
J.B. |
daylaborer
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Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 823
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:54 pm: |
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Rosin paper rules! Best drop cloth yet. |
daylaborer
Citizen
Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 824
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 9:59 pm: |
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"But, I've exhausted my personal limit of patience to paint trim. I'll do the ceiling first, that's obvious. But what's so wrong with painting the trim first, then using a trim edger to make the walls neat?"
Nothing at all. Whatever floats your boat! I like living on the edge. (pun intended) |
daylaborer
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Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 825
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:01 pm: |
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"Steady Eddie, we should have a beer together.) "
Meet me at Schneider's for the happy hour! |
Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1491
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:07 pm: |
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Do you mean the "Tory Corner?" I think I have too many teeth to go in there.
J.B. |
Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1492
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:10 pm: |
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Or should I say,
J.B. |
Shanabana
Citizen
Username: Shanabana
Post Number: 821
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:23 pm: |
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I love painting! If I could only get my kids to go into comas for a couple of days, I'd finish painting my house. Tape is for amateurs. Make sure your trim brush is not too small, for a straighter edge.
What's the color scheme? |
greenetree
Supporter
Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8663
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:26 pm: |
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I use those foam toss-away brushes for trim & corners. I go thru them quickly, but they do thin, sharp lines very nicely. |
Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1496
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:33 pm: |
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It's the "three season room." We're saving a house that was totally f-ed up. The door to the outside was literally boarded shut. After we moved in, I pulled the boards, found an old key and opened up a door to the side yard. (Insert sounds of heavens opening here.)
So I made screens for the louvered windows (we couldn't even open them before.) And now we're painting the room. It has great old paned glass windows and sweet trim that extends down to the floor.
Anyhoo, we're painting it "bay laurel" (which is fancy Restoration Hardware lingo for green.) And we're going to wood puddy all of the screw holes from the crazy previous owners and paint the trim white.
Then, hanging plants and an MOL F2F.
J.B.
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greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8665
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 10:37 pm: |
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That's so great! The one thing that I wish we had is a screen porch. We have double French doors in the den that open onto a deck, but it's not quite the same thing.
Looking forward to the porch-warming. But are you sure that you want this crew in your home?
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Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1500
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 24, 2006 - 11:37 pm: |
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Only certain seasons. Not all three.
J.B. |
CFA
Citizen
Username: Cfa
Post Number: 1665
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 5:01 am: |
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My order is to dial paint contractor. Write check.  |
Cynicalgirl
Citizen
Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 2992
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 6:26 am: |
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Definitely agree on the merits of a good brush. Sometimes I use the foam things, but mostly I've got a nice collection of small, angled bristle brushes and a steady hand. With tape, I end up with more probs than I solve. I will say that doing the cutting in for walls along the ceiling, those flat plastic gizmos with the handle make a nice tidy line. Important if you don't have crown molding and your walls are considerably darker than your ceiling.
Just put classic rock on, be wide awake and kinda zen and you don't need no stinkin' tape. |
Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1503
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 8:50 am: |
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Oh Cynicalgirl, you just described my summer of '88-'91. The classic rock station played Eric Clapton and Sting singing "It was probably me" every five minutes.
Today the ceiling!
J.B. |
daylaborer
Citizen
Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 827
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 9:33 am: |
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Then there was the time I painted a room for a customer who wanted everything the same color and finish. Flat white. She was my favoritest customer!
(JB, the Tory has been closed up for over a year. All the "old man" bars are closing down. We could just hang out in the back of Schneider's parking lot and bag a couple of forties, ghetto style!)  |
Cynicalgirl
Citizen
Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 2998
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 9:48 am: |
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I'm a weirdo who actually enjoys the zen of painting (my own dwelling -- wouldn't want to do it every day I don't think, though I'd prefer it to clerical work, childcare or check out person). I'm pretty good at it, so most of the time -- even when I have the money -- I prefer to do it myself as I'm very picky.
I like the classical rock channel on Comcast for these purposes. Or arena rock. Mostly it has to be stuff I know the words to... |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8680
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 9:53 am: |
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Ugh. Unfortunately, TS and I are both great painters but both hate it. After painting our own renovation two years ago (to save $3k) I agreed to use CFA's method going forward. It was that or divorce. But it sucks to pay for something that you can really do yourself and isn't all that hard.
Next time we need it, I'll trade services with you who love to paint: cook gourmet meals, babysit, plant your garden, whatever. |
cody
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Username: Cody
Post Number: 1080
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 10:12 am: |
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There's a new decorating trend (at least according to HGTV!) where you paint the ceiling the same color as the walls to make it seem higher. Don't know if that would work with every color, but it does make the wall/ceiling part of the job a lot easier!
I grew up in an old house in Brooklyn - lots of 9 by 9 windows (9 little panes in each part of the window), floor molding, door molding..... When I was about 6 or so, Dad handed me a paintbrush, showed me how to do the window trim and windows and baseboards were my job for years. I hated those little window panes! They look charming, but what a nuisance to paint. I was so happy when I "graduated" to doing walls! |
Cynicalgirl
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Username: Cynicalgirl
Post Number: 3001
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 10:41 am: |
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My dad taught me, too, cutting in along the floor molding and stuff as high as I could reach. He was VERY tidy. Prided himself in being able to paint in his dress pants, etc and make no mess. True, too. And always scrupulously cleaned brushes, etc. This was in oil base days...
My husband's good, but kind of messy -- maybe because he did it for a living when the art biz wasn't working out. He's more like what I think the average local firms hire: quick as possible, best coverage you can do quickly. He loves Navaho White all over the place, and would welcome walls/ceiling/trim all one color. |
Virtual It Girl
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Username: Shh
Post Number: 4837
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 11:51 am: |
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Cody, I did that in my hallway in a color similar to Rest. Hard. Silver Sage and it worked very well. When we moved in though we did our MBR walls & ceiling in a deep blue with cream trim and that ended up being too much.
I personally like to paint ceilings other than white, whether it's above, a variation of the wall color or a complement, I think it's a nice touch. |
Star Princess
Citizen
Username: Star_princess
Post Number: 19
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 12:25 pm: |
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hey guys
Where do you get rosin paper? |
daylaborer
Citizen
Username: Upondaroof
Post Number: 828
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 12:32 pm: |
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Lumber yard or Depot |
joy
Citizen
Username: Joy
Post Number: 536
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 1:01 pm: |
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Love to paint - just suck at it. But that doesn't stop me.
Painted the ceiling and walls the same colring in the living room. Sort of a deep periwinkle. The trim and crown moulding - bright white. It really pops.
As for making the ceiling seem higher - I don't know - but it is very cool.
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Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1515
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 4:27 pm: |
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Our last painting project was our guest bath. Did walls and ceiling gray, mostly from laziness. Maybe it looks bigger, the whole bathroom was gutted, so I forget what it was like before (and we did make it actually bigger.)
So to report back on today, we started to get ready to paint the ceiling, and I realized I'm going to need to put in an electrical box to mount the ceiling fan to. Mrs. J.B. felt it was a waste to do THAT today, before we paint the ceiling.
Be had the momentum so we just did the trim. Thanks for everyone's advice, but I'm a jackass and didn't listen. We'll see how it goes, ceiling and trim are both white, so how bad could a few drips be?
J.B. |
greenetree
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Username: Greenetree
Post Number: 8693
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 4:45 pm: |
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I'm thinking that the electrical box on the ceiling should go before the paint. Otherwise, you'll be repainting that, too.
Unless I misunderstood something. |
Jersey_Boy
Citizen
Username: Jersey_boy
Post Number: 1519
Registered: 1-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 - 8:18 pm: |
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That's why I didn't paint the ceiling first. But standing there with dropcloths and brushes, I couldn't just do nothing.
So we painted the trim. Then I'll do the electrical box, paint the ceiling, and lastly the walls.
The best laid plans...
J.B. |
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