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TomR
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Username: Tomr

Post Number: 465
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 12:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I'm considering having a portion of the basement return line on my steam heating system replaced.

Old pipe is (I assume) cast iron, and new pipe will be copper. ~1.5" OD.

Can anybody make a guesstimate as to the cost for a plumber to do the work for about fifty feet of pipe?

Thanks in advance.

TomR
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parkah
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Post Number: 89
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 6:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i thought mixing copper pipe in with the old (cast iron) boiler piping was a "no-no"? something about causing corrosion?

sorry... don't know about the cost. i can tell you that we had 2 joints and about 2 feet of return piping replaced not to long ago, and it took 2 guys about 2 hours to accomplish the job. don't remember the total price... but it was something like $100 per guy per hour.

goodluck
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Jgberkeley
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Post Number: 4175
Registered: 5-2001
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I just had 5 feet of 4 feet main cut out and replaced on a job I'm doing. The cost I paid was $300. The footage is not the price driver. While it will have some cost effect, the cutting, joints and labor is the price.

I would guess you can get it done for around $600.

Oh, that is all iron pipe. Since this is a return, and if it is in the wet section, you can use copper. Iron would be better, but wet returns will do will in copper.

In my Opinion
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TomR
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Post Number: 466
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

parkah,

The leak I have now is immediately after a cast iron "T" fitting on one side of which is copper pipe and on the other is an older iron pipe nipple. It does look like the leak is the result of electrolysis.

The above is why I'm considering replacing the rest of the lower return.

Tomr.
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TomR
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Post Number: 467
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Jgberkeley,

Why is iror pipe better for this application, other than the fact that it is less expensive?

Thanks

TomR.
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Master Plvmber
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Post Number: 312
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree that copper is fine for return piping.
In fact, I prefer it.

Gateway Plumbing & Heating
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Jgberkeley
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Post Number: 4176
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Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 10:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tom,

Iron pipe and copper pipe expand and contract at different rates. So given the same degree of heated return water, one will expand more than the other.

If the system is all one type, all will move alike.

If you mix iron and copper, one will expand, and the next section will expand more or less than the other. When that happens, you will have stress on the joints and will, over time, break a joint.

Now that said, on the return wet side, as I suggested, the heat is not at the range where you will see the extreme and the breaks. So copper mixed with iron will work, however, it is not the best. The best is to keep it all the same as it was.

Never mix copper and iron on the steam side.

Again, in my opinion.
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themp
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Post Number: 1396
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

How much of an issue is a minor leak? I have a slow dripper that needs fixing, but I figured I'd wait until spring, which is what I said last year(actually, George, I think you saw it when you were at my house).

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