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     Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4923 Registered: 1-2004  |
factvs There is also a Booker sign on Warren across from SHU. | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 2036 Registered: 3-2004  |
You're an interesting person, Libby. I think that offer that Tom & I made to you is still good. Any chance on taking it? what offer? | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 324 Registered: 4-2006 |
Just The Aunt- Your hoi polloi trying to influence their child care workers vote? Can't see another reason if you can't vote in Newark. | ||
| Morrisa da Silva Citizen Username: Mod Post Number: 449 Registered: 12-2003 |
Dave: Just for the record; you didn't coin GateGate. (see my ill-timed post above). | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2683 Registered: 6-2002 |
FvF: Check out the definition of "hoi polloi". Sen. Rice claims that all of Mr. Booker's support comes from outside Newark. Glad the thread drifted. The "Gate" discussion was very silly. By the way, who burned down his own business? | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 330 Registered: 4-2006 |
anon- Thanks ! sorry, amend my post to " rich swells" (I like '30s movies english) Rice should be swinging through S.O. taking pics then for his next big Booker mailing. At least you have some fun politics overthere in M/SO. MSH is very boring. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2685 Registered: 6-2002 |
You're welcome. Glad I could be of service.  | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 2448 Registered: 5-2001 |
Mplwdian wrote:
If you're asking moi, I would have said nothing and let the private parties deal with it. Funny how YOU cast the hypothetical as running into a house now and not a rusted old gate that has seen extensive prior damage. My point was you are (whoever you are) biased and you are so caught up in your angst and anger that you get more shrill and ridiculous in your posts by the minute. Based on everything you've posted, the only supposition I'm going to make now - I feel I have a right given how many slanderous suppositions you've made - is that YOU made sure this accident made the front page of the News Record. Well I'm sorry to say that that's going to be the real story and it likely will come back and bite your behind when it comes out. Wendy Lauter responding to anonymous, angry and aggravated mplwdian. (Or just call me an ashamed enabler.  ) | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2688 Registered: 6-2002 |
How did it get into the N-R? | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 2449 Registered: 5-2001 |
I don't know. But anon, why are you asking here? Do you really think you'll find out in this forum? Perhaps someone can contact the editor and ask him unless he's sworn to reporting on deep background as in you know what. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2692 Registered: 6-2002 |
Wendy: Sometimes one asks a question without any expectation of getting an answer. | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 2453 Registered: 5-2001 |
Perhaps so. If so, you've answered more than question with that answer. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4926 Registered: 1-2004 |
fact I'm not sure if you realize it or not what happens in Newark does have an impact on what happens in other parts of Essex County. I can somewhat understand a Booker sign being on Warren and the Ave much better then the one on Spier and Hoskier. There are plenty of people from Newark riding the bus or driving cars past Warren. I'm sure there are also SHU students from Newark. | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4927 Registered: 1-2004 |
anon- There was an interesting article in either yesterday's (Friday) or the day before's Ledger about the breakdown of donations to Booker and Rice. Even without the donations from out of the City, Booker has gotten more donations all around then Rice. Politics in Newark is a changing! Who burned down their business? The man who owned Primo Pizza on Springfield. He also torched several other businesses as well. Last time I posted about it (when it first happened back in Oct or so) I got my head chewed off. I I sat here reading this thread this morning thinking to myself I can't understand why some of the same people who gave me grief for that thread are making such a big deal about a fence. Where was the outrage when people whom lived in the apartments about the stores set on fire lost their homes? Or the danger innocent people were put in? Or the fact the fire dept. risked their lives to out the fires? | ||
| mplwdian Citizen Username: Mplwdian Post Number: 138 Registered: 3-2003 |
Wendy--You can attack me all you like but the facts remain the same. David Humer was responsible in a hit and run driving incident--he violated the NJ motor vehicle law by hitting someone else's property and leaving the scene of an accident without reporting it. Look it up at NJSA 39:4-129. He also showed, in my opinion, very little character and poor ethics by running away and not knocking on the door of the Mayor's house and/or calling the police immediately as required by that statute. I think we deserve more from our public officials than that. You are the one sounding shrill, angry and defensive, I believe, and I have more productive things to do than agrue with you. Senbenois--How could someone give a reasonable explanation for breaking the law? The laws are here to protect the citizens of Maplewood. His explanation of having the accident in the first place may very well have been reasonable; people do have accidents and, while maybe a sign they are bad drivers, an accident is just that. But Huemer driving away with his car half wrecked and leaving the scene of an accident before the police investitaged? That's basic common courteousy and good citizenry. Patrick Kennedy's explanation for his behavior last week seemed reasonable to me too. He was on pain killers and is an addict. But does this mean the police should have turned their heads and not arrested him? No. We all should live by the same laws, even public officals, and no special treatment should be afforded to anyone. The very fact this was not reported to the police is, in my opinion, special treatment by the citizens who witnessed it. Or maybe they were intimidated and scared to get involved because it involved a public official. This is not a silly, minor squabble between David and Fred, and I honestly can't understand, whomever one supports politically, why its not seen that way by more people. | ||
| Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 7399 Registered: 5-2001 |
Why would a political sign for an election in Newark be posted across the street from Seton Hall U? Perhaps because there are a significant number Seton Hall students and/or faculty of voting age who reside in Newark. Perhaps because the location in question is just over the South Orange/Newark border, on a main road leading to/from Newark. | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 541 Registered: 5-2005  |
"But Huemer driving away with his car half wrecked and leaving the scene of an accident before the police investigated?" Wow, I didn't know he did that much damage to his car. Have you seen it? FWIW, if I were to bump into something that was in obvious disrepair, notice no real damage to my car and could not differentiate between rusted and obviously old damage and any new damage that I might have caused, I would not consider this "leaving the scene of an accident". I am not saying that this is what occurred, but it would be an acceptable explanation if this is how events transpired and would show no intended malice towards any individual or property. But you would have to ask the parties involved in order to get to this information. Certainly no one posting here, including myself, has any concrete knowledge of this event. I really hope that the hysteria caused by this event is limited to those posting here. If the whole town, or a major portion of it, is as concerned and upset as some here are, I am going to be really worried as to the sanity of the Maplewood mindset. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2695 Registered: 6-2002 |
letters: Don't worry. I would bet that almost everyone is just having a good chuckle about the silliness. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2696 Registered: 6-2002 |
JTA: People gave you a hard time about criticising someone for commiting major arson? That's odd. Can you elaborate or refer me to that thread? | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 542 Registered: 5-2005 |
JTA, Knock it off. Yes, you took some grief, however, if I have my timeline correct, no trial has occurred yet. Remember, innocent until proven guilty is still in effect in this country, regardless of the evidence built up against someone. As to the evidence, what people read about is the information that the police have been able to obtain. That is almost always only part of the story. If you know the individual as well as I do, then you also know that there is probably much more going on than is reported in the papers. This will in no way excuse his actions, if indeed he is found guilty, but it definitely puts another spin on it and could effect any punishment that would be handed down. If you understand what I am not saying here, then you will probably agree. If you do not understand, I am sorry, but I will not go into it. Letters | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15003 Registered: 10-2001  |
Dearest Mplwdian, Let me put this in the proper context for you. Three years ago I watched DTR hit a ball to deep right field in a softball game. The ball was way over the right fielder's head. DTR got to first and missed the bag. He got to second and missed the bag. He rounded third and missed the bag and, in order to retain the sick sense of perfection that he holds so dear to his heart, he missed home as well. It was an astounding effort on his part. So in this instance, I'm not surprised that he hit the fence while driving. It's sort of expected. When I see him in town, and go to shake his hand, I always like to guide mine directly into his so that we don't have to spend 30 or 40 seconds trying to make contact. Having lunch with him usually involves lots of napkins. He also likes to arrange the various plates and forks and salt shakers on the table in the exact shape of the solar system at that time. I would encourage everyone in town to ask him for a demonstration of how he uses an onion ring and a single pickle chip to simulate Saturn. Should he have called the police? Assuming that he recognzied the extent of the property damage, yes. But it's not clear that this was the case because the fence had clearly been hit many times before. Nevertheless, he subsequently offered to make it right and he did so privately. So in the court of public opinion, DTR gets a free pass. It's a complete and total non-event. It's hysterically funny given who maintains the fence, but it's a non-event. | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 543 Registered: 5-2005 |
S- Funny stuff. One question, though. Obviously I missed something somewhere, but why do you refer to him as "DTR"? Letters | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15004 Registered: 10-2001 |
Dave The Rave | ||
| Straw Kennedy Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7173 Registered: 10-2001  |
I feel bad that I jumped on the Mplwdian "David the destroyer" theme. Sbenois says this is nothing more than nothing more and he's correct. He's still 100% wrong about President Bush but in this case he's making the correct call. Since I was quick to assume the worst after the accident, I now want to make it up to the injured party. As a result, I THE GREAT STRAW owe David H one vote. If he runs again he will get that vote. No man deserves the beating he's taking over a minor fender bender. THE GREAT DAVID H IS A PROUD AMERICAN. | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 544 Registered: 5-2005 |
S- OK, funny again. And just in case I have misled people, I have known Dave since our kids went to Tuscan. I have always liked him personally even though politically we differ at times. But I can say the same about Vic, Fred, Ken and Kathy. All of them are very fine people. They have given their time towards the betterment of our life, as they see it. I may not always agree with them, but I respect and admire their advocacy. Letters | ||
| Spanish Inquisitor Citizen Username: Sinq Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2004  |
I hit that damn gate around this time last year | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 545 Registered: 5-2005 |
Dave or Jamie, That tears it. I demand to know if "Spanish Inquisitor" is one of Vic's alter-egos!!! Maybe one of the other TC members? Bart Albini or AJC??? Is there a conspiracy against Fred or his gate? I think Fred needs to know if he or his gate requires a bodyguard. We all need to know that Fred and his gate are safe at all times!!! | ||
| Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 7400 Registered: 5-2001 |
Letters: If he is found guilty or if he is guilty? Unfortunately, the two are not always the same. | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 549 Registered: 5-2005 |
Joan, Agreed. Letters | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4930 Registered: 1-2004 |
Joan In respose to your post from this morning, my point exactly! | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4931 Registered: 1-2004 |
There may be more to this story then we know. How do we know there wasn't a phone call before the first email? Maybe Dave did call Fred and there was some sort of heated discussion? Maybe Fred called back telling Dave it was going to be 'very expensive?' Maybe Dave not wanting to get into a heated discussion with Fred, and to have proof of what was said, sent the email to confirm he would pay for the gate? | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7584 Registered: 5-2001  |
Maybe Colonel Mustard did it in the dining room with the candle stick? | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 550 Registered: 5-2005 |
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| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 343 Registered: 4-2006 |
Just The Aunt- well isn't that interference in the internal affairs of Newark by outsiders, (putting up Corey Booker signs in S.O.)? I mean Aquaman would have a stroke if I put a "Fred Profeta Candidates" sign on my lawn in MSH. BTW, I can hardly wait to do a look-up on the people in our towns who have given contributions to Rice, as reflected in a recent Star Ledger article. Exactly what interests do they have over there in Newark? Things that make you go " hmmmm..." The independent candidate for Mayor in West Orange seems to be giving the incumbent a fit. We have some interesting politics in our area, for sure. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2697 Registered: 6-2002 |
FvF: Ron Rice used to represent Maplewood and South Orange in the Senate. I'm sure he did many favors for local folks and probably still has a lot of friends here. I wouldn't be surprised to see contributions from local people. | ||
| Rds Citizen Username: Rds Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2003 |
My name is Risa Olinsky. I have never before contributed to a Maplewood Online message board, but felt compelled by recent events to describe facts that I witnessed.I was backing out of my driveway a little before 9 a.m. on Tuesday, April 18, when I saw a large, grayish car crash into the gate at the entrance to Hickory Drive. I did not know who was driving the car and was concerned that the driver might be hurt because the collision was very loud. David Huemer got of the car. Another neighbor and I asked him if he was okay and David said he was. The front corner of the passenger side of David's car was smashed against both the metal and brick of the gate. David walked to the passenger side and viewed the damage. He then got back into the driver's side and tried to drive away, but had difficulty dislodging his car from the gate. David spent several minutes rocking the car, like a car stuck in snow, until he was able to free the car from the gate. As David backed onto Ridgewood Road, I saw something sticking out of the side of the car and I heard the sound of groaning metal. David seemed to have trouble driving the car, and then parked it on Highland Place. At that point, I left and went to an appointment; my neighbor stayed. About 13 hours later at 10 p.m., I called my neighbor Fred Profeta to inform him what I had seen because the gate is on Fred’s property. Fred said he was unaware of the accident and had not been contacted by David. When I later inspected the gate, I saw that the damage was extensive and that chips of paint from David’s car had been left on the metal and the brick; I walk by the gate regularly and could see that the damage was new. During the week after David’s accident, Fred told me that David had still not contacted him. On Wednesday, April 26, I saw David at a Chamber of Commerce lunch event. I asked David if he had contacted Fred. David said he had not. Explaining that Fred is legally responsible for the upkeep and repair of the gate, I suggested that David call Fred as soon as he left the Chamber event. I later learned from Fred that David still did not call him but sent an email to Fred about the accident more than a day later, on the evening of Thursday, April 27.As a Democratic district leader, I acknowledge that I have long been a political supporter of Fred Profeta, but that has nothing to do with what I saw and have described above. | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7587 Registered: 5-2001 |
Well, thank you Risa. That certainly helps put this relatively minor, silly, overblown matter to rest. Good to know that there are strong, intelligent political leaders in our community who think that it would show weakness and embolden Al Quaida if we were to stop fanning these flames and focus on other things, more important issues in our community. I'll bet David knows where Jimmy Hoffa is buried, too. Does Maplewood have in Independent Counsel? Has Ken Star found a new job yet? Oh, I acknowledge that I voted for Fred, so I really have no political agenda whatsoever. | ||
| marian Citizen Username: Marian Post Number: 800 Registered: 9-2001 |
Thanks, Risa. I know that MOL is not for everyone and I really appreciate you posting this. Greentree, with all due respect, I would not call this a minor or silly matter-- Especially as it involves an elected public officials causing damage to property and then not reporting it to police and/or the homeowner in a timely manner. Frankly, I am extremely disappointed in David Huemer's behavior in this matter. Sounds like he really hit the northern gate on Hickory Drive with considerable force. According to Risa, who witnessed the accident, Huemer could not extricate his vehicle without rocking it, causing more damage. Has he really been telling the truth to posters who have learned different facts from him? Proof of this would come from the damage report to David's car, which some of supportive posters should ask for. As Risa posted above, the northern gates were NOT previously damaged. Earlier damage was to the southern gate, according to Fred Profeta. Fred also told the News-Record that the damage will cost in excess of a thousand dollars to repair, based on past experience. (Not for nothing, The Historic Preservation Commission was preparing to designate these gates as historic before the crash occurred...) Drive by the scene of the accident yourself and take a look at the entrance to Hickory Drive off Ridgewood Road. Driving through that opening with enough speed to cause a loud crash and disable your car seems like reckless driving to me. I'd really like to know what caused Huemer to be driving in this manner? Was he talking on a cell phone; hadn't had his first cup of coffee yet? What's the deal??? Huemer told other posters that he noticed no damage and in his e-mail to Fred more than 9 days after the crash said that he "did not notice anything wrong" after the crash. How on earth is that possible given the force of the impact and the damage to his car, let alone the damage to the gate??? Other posters have claimed that Huemer probably alerted Fred to his involvement earlier than his April 27th e-mail, and in any event, eventually did notify him. But now we know from Risa that David admitted he had NOT notified anyone when she talked to him a week later. Sorry, but I find it very difficult to believe that David would have ever notified Fred had Risa not confronted him about it. The law is the law, folks. Under NJSA 39:4-129, David had a legal obligation to notify the owner or the police "immediately." If he was confused as to who owned the gate (Fred or the town) he should have notified both. Certainly, as an elected public official he should have at least informed the police of the crash. BTW, under the same statute, it is no defense that the driver did not know the extent of the damage, as long as they knew that they were in a collision and anyone found guilty of breaking this law is subject to a fine of between $200 and $400 and 30 days in jail. (They can also lose their driver's license for 6 months) Serious enough for you now? Unfortunately, the News-Record missed almost all of the important aspects of this incident. Not surprisingly, so have some of the posters on this thread. As an elected public official and a leader in our community, I hope David Huemer come cleans on this to repair his own reputation as well as the historic gate he admits he crashed into. | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7588 Registered: 5-2001 |
Political witch hunt. Blatant opportunism. Not sure why it was Risa's job to interrogate Huemer. Marian - you want to know what I consider serious, egregious behavior by a public official worthy of public debate? Lying about WMD to drag the country into a war where thousands of people, including our own youth are dying. Gas at over $3 a gallon and climbing. AIDS and famine in Africa. Not who got a b-job in the oval office and not one TC member hitting the gates of another TC. Y'all aren't doing Fred any political favors. Fred, if you care, I can't be your only supporter who is disgusted by these fanning flames. Resolve it privately, please. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9373 Registered: 4-1997  |
In case anyone's wondering, this isn't making Fred look like a nice guy. |
