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     ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5083 Registered: 9-2001  |
...what's your agenda George? FWIW, I'm NOT looking forward to continuing this, like repossessions it's a dirty job, but someone has to do it. I'm sure the police don't always like what they have to do either. I'm also sure the township committee does things it doesn't like to do as well. Sometimes we have to show our children tough love and we're not looking forward to that either... I believe as a public figure David owes us a public statement, and I've taken a stand to do all I can to get it. The man wants to be our next Mayor, our leader. He wants to set policy and run the town. I'll say it again, it's not personal, it's not pleasant, but it's business, and he, not me put himself in this position of leadership for our community... So tell us Georgieboy, how you would like all this to end? | ||
| george H Citizen Username: Georgieboy Post Number: 186 Registered: 8-2005 |
I'll be content to watch and wait while all the self appointed watchdogs do what they think is their civic duty.No agenda here,just an observation on what others have posted and speculated about. | ||
| The Libertarian Citizen Username: Local_1_crew Post Number: 2037 Registered: 3-2004  |
AJC, can you make just one post that doesnt involve using all of the text attribute buttons? | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5084 Registered: 9-2001 |
OK George, you won't get an argument from me. Just sit back like most observers, speculate and enjoy the show. As for the self appointed watchdogs, the way it looks, I'm the last dog in the fight. And, how's this Libertarian? Look mom, no text buttons. See, I can do one post. Are you happy now? | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5085 Registered: 9-2001 |
...BTW George, one more thing. The title of this thread is "Police Investigation of Huemer Incident?" If you remember in the first post the question was asked and still not answered, "It's quite possible that the News Record has missed the police investigation aspect of this story. Certainly, if any average citizen was seen plowing his car into the mayor's fence, you'd expect a visit from the police and an investigation." Does the question deserve an answer? Do the alleged few readers of the News Record want a follow up? I guess if you want to know anything around here you have to call and find out. To be continued... | ||
| pseudonymous Citizen Username: Berry_festival Post Number: 246 Registered: 9-2003 |
I have to say that I have seen those gates a hundred times and it never crossed my mind that they were not the property of the town. I learned here on MOL that Fred is responsible for the gates. Is it not possible David thought the same thing? | ||
| george H Citizen Username: Georgieboy Post Number: 189 Registered: 8-2005 |
Art,my final thought on this matter is that I apparently pushed some button with you inadvertently,which is causing you to feel some need to continue to try to draw me in to a diaglog I have no interest in continuing.Let me close by apologizing for giving my observation when obviously,as your postings seem to indicate,re:last dog in the fight,this subject matter has become your crusade and I hope you get the answers you feel "we" deserve. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5086 Registered: 9-2001 |
Thank you George, but as you now realize, you're not the one I was pushing for some dialog from, and you're definitely not the one who has anything to apologize for... Pseudonymous, anything is possible. I don't know what David was or is thinking. Personally, I don't believe he was or is thinking now. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if he hasn’t even seen this thread yet. Sbenois probably has him up at Maplecrest Park practicing how to run bases...  FWIW, the only people who claim to know the other side of the story is Sbenois and Letters, and they aren’t talking. I guess they’ve either been sworn to secrecy or they are... they are, well let’s just say they are satisfied that David is in the right and should stay his course of silence, knowing that sooner or later I’ll tire of this thread and things will be back to business as usual... The truth is they're probably right. Besides you me and George everyone one else probably packed up and moved back home to the city where they came from... | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7625 Registered: 5-2001  |
............. the sound of one hand clapping.............. | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 365 Registered: 4-2006 |
was the vehicle in question a white Bronco? | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15009 Registered: 10-2001  |
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| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5087 Registered: 9-2001 |
It's begining to look like all of you winnie's are running out of excuses.  "S" is at a loss for words. FVF is watching re-runs of OJ Simson, Greene has been reduced to the sound of one hand clapping, and David is still trying to find first base... This just goes to prove what I've always said, "Right is Might". To be continued... | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 557 Registered: 5-2005  |
AJC, Have you lost your f'ing mind? What would ever make you think that I was "sworn to secrecy" by David? Hey, pal, re-read my posts. I will not disclose anything because, as I have said repeatedly, it is one side of the story. I don't know if it is true or not. I did say that it made sense, but that doesn't prove or disprove anything. The only posts I made were my opinion about this. Anything else would have been gossip. Is that what you think I should have been doing? Tell you what, why don't we meet out by your back fence and we can gossip back and forth. Nothing will be accomplished, but apparently it will make you happy. FWIW, after the "district leader" came on and gave a story that raised more questions in my mind than answered, I responded with this: "David, if you did something, fess up and pay up. Fred, if Risa's account is correct, then you knew David did it but did not call you for eight days. Why didn't you call him during that time? I would have. It seems to me, according to Risa, that each party may be guilty of making some bad decisions." Yeah, sure sound like David has me in his corner! Dude, I don't know what kind of concoctions you are making at HTTA, but you better switch back to beer or soda. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15013 Registered: 10-2001 |
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| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 377 Registered: 4-2006 |
Has anyone asked A.C. Cowlings where he was at the time in question? (if in fact, it was a white Bronco?) | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 378 Registered: 4-2006 |
sbenois- Jerry Lewis? You are saying the French will give ajc a medal too? | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 9384 Registered: 4-1997  |
Is that absinthe? | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 558 Registered: 5-2005 |
Nah, I think AJC has been sipping (gulping?) the 200 proof stuff. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5088 Registered: 9-2001 |
Now this is the kind of spirit I’ve been looking for Letters… No, I haven’t lost my mind. As for you being "sworn to secrecy" by David, let me say this about that. First of all I have read your previous posts. Personally, I feel you’re certainly entitled to post what you want, but saying you will not disclose only “one side” of the story doesn’t make any sense. Listen, we all know the other side of the story from the News Record and the eye witness account already given. What’s missing is the one “other” side told to you by David that we don’t know anything about. FWIW, you offered your personal opinion that it made sense, however, once we get the other side of the story, the side David told you without saying it was in confidence, than we all can decide if it makes sense or not. IMHO, being David didn’t tell you or Sbenois not to say anything; I don’t understand how what you tell us would be gossip or opinion? Telling us might be considered hearsay in a court of law; however, right now we’re in the court of public opinion... Furthermore, no one is asking you to prove or disprove anything. As for Risa sharing her story, it clearly raised questions with most of us. Given your comment to David, we can surmise it raised questions in your mind that suggests to us he may have told you a different story. Somebody is clearly lying, which usually means there’s a cover up, which makes me look at what’s to cover up other than David’s story about the accident… Also, until we hear the other side of the story, saying that each party may be guilty of making some bad decisions is a bad decision. Therefore, seeing as how David doesn’t have you in his corner, and you really want to make someone happy, you can share what David told you. If you don’t, it’s OK, we can all still be friends. BTW, I sold my interest in HTTA, but I’m willing to buy you a beer there and talk about old times, pal... | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 559 Registered: 5-2005 |
Fine, you want to know what he told me??? Well here it is. He said... "Whatever you do, don't tell that loud-mouthed Art!" So, are you happy now??? Hmmmm??? Actually, I made that up, no really, I did. I also said that David's story differed from the "Wretched News" and now, clearly, you can surmise that it differs from the "official Maplewood Democratic Committee" version. (I really do not know what else to call it.) I also said that I do not like being lied to and that I would speak with David again about this. Maybe he did not think it would come to this and he told a little white one. Maybe he did not think and he just said something just to get the conversation over with because he really did not want to talk about it. Maybe he did not think that Fred would do something as low as having a "third party" corroborate a false story. Or maybe HE DID NOT THINK, PERIOD!!! I don't know, but I've known David long enough to give him the benefit and ask for a further clarification. I can't believe that David would lie, but I also can't believe that Fred would either, at least not over something as pathetically inane as this. A G-D fence? Are you kidding me??? But the further this goes, the more I'm inclined to think that neither of them are worthy of the title "Mayor". I'm beginning to like the sound of Mayor Ken Pettis. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5089 Registered: 9-2001 |
...I'm going to bed and will sleep on the rest of my comments. But, first I want to thank you for being up front, and I totally agree that this is a very silly issue to be back and forth on. Meanwhile, please consider the simple and clear facts. Fred didn't start this, and David had every chance to end this before anyone ever knew what had happened. To say that neither is worthy of Mayor doesn't make any sense either. They are both smart, talented, and dedicated men who have a different slant on how things should be run in town. Ken would also make an excellent Mayor as well... However, IMHO, we need to clear up this issue before we worry about who the Mayor should be... Thanks again and good night pal... | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 560 Registered: 5-2005 |
AJC, I’m well aware that Fred did not start this but let’s not canonize him just yet. I find it hard to accept that the “official spokesperson” for the Maplewood Democratic Committee decided all on her own to post the “official” version, especially given the fact that Fred is her neighbor. I find it hard to believe that the “Wretched News” found out about this story all by itself. I find it really hard to believe that Fred is not using this to discredit David and to make himself look good. I am NOT the official “spokesperson” for David. If he has anything to say, he will say it himself or find someone else to do it. If you re-read my posts you will see that I first talked with Ken and then David about the childish actions of the TC and how I thought it was embarrassing this town. It was only AFTER that discussion did I mention the gate to David. So as far as who should be Mayor next year, yes, I think both men are indicating that they may not be the right person who we would want to represent us. This us v. them attitude that prevails on the TC has got to stop immediately. It is interfering with the normal flow of business as we seem to have to get through the posturing first before we actually do any business. So the only way I can see this ending quickly is that neither Fred, Vic nor David should be Mayor since they can’t play nicely together. That leaves Ken, who I think is doing a great job of focusing on the issues and staying out of the fray. I have to go to work now. I’ll take you up on that beer later. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5090 Registered: 9-2001 |
Good morning Letters, Listen, this is silly. Fred doesn’t have to make David look bad to make himself look good. David has managed to handle that all by himself. Well, I slept on what you said in your last post. Interestingly, what stood out as key to the issues of Maple Gate is your comment about who should be Mayor. For a micro second I thought, Oh my God, had I beat Fred four years ago that could have been David running into my historic gate, and how would I have handled it? A few of you have suggested the Mayor as being part of the problem, which is exactly what would have happened to me if David smashed into my gate. It seems it’s always us guys at the top of our game who get the blame when something goes wrong. Interestingly, this is exactly where my dreams took me. Over 50 years ago I worked for an old German milkman delivering milk. I asked him one day why the cream was always on the top of the milk. He said it was the best part of the milk. I then said why bother with the rest of the milk and he replied, the cream could not rise to the top without the support of the milk. Like good milk, good government requires good people willing to work with and support the top. I thought how does this relate to our present circumstances? I then rolled over and immediately started dreaming about my good friends Bob Grasmere and Bob Klein, the Mayor and Vice Mayor who worked side by side for over twenty years. What a great team they made. So when I woke up this morning I thought about calling Bob and asking him how he felt about never becoming the Mayor and always working in the shadow of Mayor Grasmere? To be continued… Wait a minute Letters... there’s only one hand clapping. I don’t think anyone is paying attention to us. Should we continue this debate on line or over a beer? | ||
| letters Citizen Username: Letters016 Post Number: 561 Registered: 5-2005 |
AJC, You have NO idea how much I would love to continue this over a beer, or two or three or…. whatever! Alas, mom is back in the hospital again. Let’s see now, she was in for 10 weeks starting in January because of pneumonia. Now she had a stroke, mild it seems so far, last Saturday. I’ve been working all day then running down to New Brunswick every night. Too bad they have those pesky laws about drinking a beer while driving. It would taste so good. Maybe we can meet sometime in the future. I’ll let you know when I finish this marathon. I’ll be the guy at St. James with the large tab going. Letters | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5091 Registered: 9-2001 |
...I just got home and could also enjoy a burger and a beer myself. I'm not sure if you're going to New Brunswick tonight or you're ready to go to the Gate or Arts now? Why not give me a call 973-762-8518 if you get this in the next half hour. I don't know about you, but since I started posting on this thread I've been wearing my seat belt and driving with both hands on the wheel. Can you imagine if I hit my gate or had a fender bender in town? They would run me out of town on a rail...  Listen, I'm thinking maybe we should invite David, and say Sbenois, Aquaman, FVF, Greene, and anyone else who would be interested in joining in on the debate? | ||
| Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 4985 Registered: 1-2004  |
Letters I hope your mom is feeling better. Sending out some positive vibes her way. | ||
| Monster© Supporter Username: Monster Post Number: 3143 Registered: 7-2002  |
Art, why would you think that you would be ran out of town on a rail? These days they use car service  | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5092 Registered: 9-2001 |
Did you forget, we're a commuter town... | ||
| Monster© Supporter Username: Monster Post Number: 3146 Registered: 7-2002 |
you have a point, rails would be cheaper too  | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 388 Registered: 4-2006 |
At least an intern isn't involved. | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15014 Registered: 10-2001 |
Dearest Arturo, Let's get back to a topic that's more important to all of us: do you think that Bush is on crack or LSD? Personally, I think it's LSD because he's so delusional. But it could be crack. Your input on this would be helpful. Thankey. | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2702 Registered: 6-2002 |
No intern? Then the entire matter is BORING! | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5093 Registered: 9-2001 |
"Let's get back to a topic that's more important to all of us..." OK “S”, I’m always happy to share my opinions if you really think my input would be helpful. As you suggest, LSD, Crack, Cocaine, marijuana, are all drugs of great distraction and delusion. IMHO, any politicians who use these drugs should be arrested, and removed from office. Meanwhile, I believe Patrick Kennedy is a better example to be discussing than George W. Bush on this subject. The truth is Democrats are much more interesting drunks then the Republicans, and the Kennedy’s have a long and distinguished record of dysfunction. As we see, drugs and/or drinking and driving are serious problems especially with politicians. I believe this is his fourth or fifth accident, not including a boat he crashed. His most recent escapade of driving his car into a wall could have just as easily been a person. To add insult to injury the man lied, and tried to cover up his addiction. FWIW, I don’t believe this is the kind of person we should continue to elect to govern us, however, his supporters not only continue to elect him, they make excuses for him and look to blame others for his addiction. Do you agree with me that we should rid ourselves these kinds of politicians, or can you offer a better suggestion? | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5094 Registered: 9-2001 |
Good morning Letters, How are things on the home front? We hope there's improvement with your mom, and that she can be back at home for Mother's Day... Listen, as a follow up to yesterday's conversation, anytime you're free just give me a call. I'd love it if we could get a group of us together on both sides of this issue. BTW, I got to speak with Bob last night about his years with Mayor Grasmere. The collective thinking and cooperation aspects of these guys are fascinating... IMHO, the Democrats can take a lesson in what team politics is all about, and it's not what you may think... | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5096 Registered: 9-2001 |
It’s hard to believe that an issue as simple as a little fender bender has been hanging around for almost three weeks. At least this week’s news article about the "Hickorygate" episode is off the front page and only on page three. At this rate maybe someone will get around to fixing the gate next... I’m sorry, but one can't help but ask, is Maplewood Township Committee member David Hummer above the law? I haven’t called the police department to find out, but it would appear from today’s News Record, David hasn’t reported his accident yet. Given his lack of response to the News Record or on the message board, it doesn’t appear he plans too either. Has everyone deserted this man who wants to be Maplewood's next Mayor? I haven’t, but has anyone seen him in the last few days? Does anyone know if he’s away on business? Maybe he was hurt in the accident and doesn’t remember what happened? Doesn’t he have a publicist or anyone willing to speak on his behalf? What a shame! Listen, contrary to how it appears, I've always liked the man personally. He has tons of charisma and always a handsome warm smile when you meet him. Over the years I’ve have a real problem with his political posture, but we still maintained a fairly cordial relationship when we meet around town. However, this matter has gone on too long and I’m at the point now were I can't stand the suspense anymore. If I don’t here something about him from someone today, I’m calling his home first thing tomorrow morning myself! | ||
| greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7648 Registered: 5-2001 |
It’s hard to believe that an issue as simple as a little fender bender has been hanging around for almost three weeks I can't imagine why, either. Certainly has nothing to do with anyone in particular keeping this thread going. Oh, make sure to tell us every detail of your phone call tomorrow morning. See if you can get him to tell you what he's wearing. It might be a clue to something bigger....... | ||
| Hank Zona Supporter Username: Hankzona Post Number: 5576 Registered: 3-2002 |
I saw David the other day getting out of his car..I told him I was glad I walked by after he parked rather than before.  | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5097 Registered: 9-2001 |
I thought you were out of this one Greene? Well, it's always good to hear from you anyway. Some of these guys were really getting boring. I have to tell you, there's nothing like a female's opinion now and again to brighten up these threads. So which foot are you kicking with today? Listen, I'll be happy to try and find out what he was last seen wearing. Maybe I can also find out what color car he's driving too? Then we can all be on the look out for him... BTW, do you really think it will help locate him, or to clear this matter up by keeping this thread going? Come on Greene, tell us like it is… | ||
| Factvsfiction Citizen Username: Factvsfiction Post Number: 409 Registered: 4-2006 |
" If the fender don't fit, you must acquit" (just re-working old material) | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5109 Registered: 9-2001 |
...I just called David this morning and left him a message on his voice mail. I asked if he was aware of the News Record articles and the threads on MOL regarding his accident on April 18th. I then asked if he would please communicate a simple explanation and public apology, making it clear he was taking full responsibility to oversee the repair of the Hickory Gates. I said I'm NOT going to bring this matter up again at the township committee meeting on Tuesday night, and I'm not going to continue this thread other than to acknowledge his reply to me if he chooses to do so. As far as I'm concerned there's nothing more I can say. The rest is up to David... |
