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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9704
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:28 pm: | 
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Another thing.
I encourage everyone to grab their most recent resume and take a look at it.
Go ahead. I'll wait.
dum dee dum... dee dum dee dummm....
Got it? OK. Now look at all those entries under EXPERIENCE. You changed jobs. You got better offers. Great. Kudos. Now answer this: When you changed jobs how many of your friends or future employers said "you must have bailed out because you were doing a bad job"?
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steel
Citizen
Username: Steel
Post Number: 1079
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:42 pm: |
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Dave,
Again, you really need to read what I'm writing more carefully if you're going to jump on me. -Where did I say anything about not fighting "first"?
-I'm talking about fighting last, as in "to the end" and not walking away to try again elsewhere.
-The comparison to working for a "regular" company is not remotely the same. Working in the public interest is an entirely different obligation and not one that you can so readily walk away from simply to improve your own situation.
If you have specifics to say about Nancy's record over there and her role in the process I would be happy to hear them but please relent from attacking me for things that I have not even said.
Kathleen, "Standing alone" is admirable. Walking away alone, maybe not so much. Two different things.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9706
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 3:56 pm: |
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You've basically missed every point I've been making, so I'll simply refer you back to my posts for a second, closer reading. If you think public employees should deal with no support from upper management and stay for years doing some bizarre form of servitude to some cause that isn't even in their home town while at the same time turning away better offers, well I don't know what to say other than I think you should reconsider that opinion. |
steel
Citizen
Username: Steel
Post Number: 1080
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 5:16 pm: |
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Dear Dave,
-I would be delighted to not miss your points but you seem to be responding from a presumption of common-knowledge information that we Maplewoodians have not lived through, (though we drive through it frequently). Frankly your posts concerning employment circumstances read largely like hypotheticals with no Nancy specifics.
I'm sure that the voters of Maplewood would be happy to hear your or others recollections of her role in the South Orange development since so far we have from her largely vagaries from the debate and a list of positions etc from the web site. I realize that her time in the debate was limited but such information is important and it is unfortunate that the latest mailer I received from her campaign missed that opportunity to make that case and instead seemed quite concerned with where her opponent parks his car during the day.
As she had previous to this mailer been selling her candidacy to us almost entirely on this development experience it would be useful to better know the history from the perspective of South Orange residents in that regard.
And yes, I am aware of her role in the beginnings of Springfield ave which of course had everything to do with Maplewood wresting control of the Ave from the county and in which a great number of people had had an active part including of course her opponents. |
Paul Surovell
Supporter
Username: Paulsurovell
Post Number: 616
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 5:32 pm: |
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fmertz:
You said
Quote:DeLuca and Huemer will stop at nothing to regain control of the town council. For the life of me, I can't figure out why. What will they get? More anti-war resolutions??
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but this sounds like a disparaging comment about the February 2003 TC resolution against war.
Regardless of your intent, this is a good opportunity to revisit the resolution and to examine some of the implications of your comment.
The resolution will stand historically as one of the TC's proudest moments. It was an act of courage and civic responsibility that upheld the Constitution and the security and economic interests of Maplewood's residents.
The share of the war's cost to Maplewood citizens is already more than $59 million -- an amount that renders childlike the TC debates over $90,000 to maintain the Rescue Squad and keep the library open, or raising several million dollars to finance the new Police headquarters.
(http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemi d=61)
Another aspect of your comment also needs to be corrected.
You imply that Vic and Dave are the only TC members interested in opposing the war in Iraq. Not true. In October 2005 all TC members signed a public letter in support of Senator Feingold's Resolution for a withdrawal timetable. The letter was also signed by all seven South Orange Trustees, 18 of 20 Seton Hall Student Senators and the entire Columbia HS student council executive board.
As a result of this letter, Maplewood and South Orange are listed as Cities for Peace in the post-invasion list. Maplewood was listed in the pre-war list as a result of the TC resolution (see www.BeAboutPeace.com homepage lower right corner)
Furthermore, Fred and Kathy have appeared at virtually all of South Mountain Peace Action's public events calling for an end to the war in Iraq, as have Vic and Dave. Kathy and Dave were both part of the delegation which presented the Feingold letter to the representatives of Senators Corzine and Lautenberg (see photo on www.BeAboutPeace.com / Actions & Events page).
And finally, Fred was featured in the News-Record photo (along with TC independent candidate Jamie Ross) signing South Mountain Peace Action's petition for a Responsible Withdrawal from Iraq (see www.BeAboutPeace.com).
So in a nutshell, your suggestion that Vic and Dave are working to achieve an anti-war majority on the TC, is totally without merit.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9707
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 5:40 pm: |
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Good point, Paul.
Steel, I do not carry around with me a dossier on people. I trust if voters have questions for candidates, they ask them by phone or show up at a coffee or a debate. You started out bashing Nancy. I called you on it. Now you are poking into corners trying to maintain the legitimacy of your initial point. I've always enjoyed reading your posts on MOL, but I think you have hit new lows that are, frankly, disturbing and cast you in a bad light. Don't vote for Nancy and Lester. Vote for your candidates. But don't post things that are patently untrue and unkind about people. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 582
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 5:47 pm: |
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Aquaman:
Since you apparently invited me to participate in your Maplewood political thread, I have some questions about your candidates based on their comments reported in your paper of record, the News Record. People who support the other candidates can also post their positions or clarification of their positions, based on my post. I woluld absolutely welcome Maplewood residents comments on the MSH TC race as well, btw.
Correct me if I am wrong, but in reading about your candidates, it seems they find the issues in your town to be : 1) crime, 2) recreational opportunities for older kids, and 3) Springfield Ave. redevelopment.
So, number one what is their specific program to reduce crime that isn't being done now, exactly? Number two, how do you provide more recreational opportunities? Do you build more ballfields or a new recreational center? Where can you find the space/how much will it cost? Number three, how would they develope Springfield Ave. differently or do better, considering your town apparently hired a planner?
Seems to me it is a public service for you to detail your candidates' positions as well as those people who post here who support the other candidates. It should all be pretty elementary, unless you want to do your normal,IMHO, anti-outsider comment and carpetbagger screed.
Again, I have no pony in your race, and think Maplewood gets pretty qualified candidates on average. Even the Republican guy. |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 928
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 5:55 pm: |
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"Since you apparently invited me to participate in your Maplewood political thread..."
When did I apparently do that? |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 929
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 6:07 pm: |
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fiction-fiction,
My italics, your quotes, my responses in bold:
"I have some questions about your candidates based on their comments reported in your paper of record, the News Record."
>>Ask them, or watch the debates. Oh wait, that's right, you live in Millburnshorthills (one word)
"considering your town apparently hired a planner?"
>>Oh, I get it, you're putting on your "me am just a naive fella from Millburnshorthills" face.
"unless you want to do your normal,IMHO, anti-outsider comment and carpetbagger screed."
>>Comment away, but outside? Who ever said you were "outside" except you? Again and again and again. Like an insider does pretending to be an outsider.
"Again, I have no pony in your race,"
>>And again and again and again and again and again... |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 584
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 6:26 pm: |
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Aquaman- Aqualung:
Big guy, read your and my posts. You brought this on yourself.
Seems to me it would benefit your candidates' cause by easily discussing my comments by a thoughtful and comprehensive reply. Showing their grasp of the issues, solid plans for change, and real benefit for election to Maplewood residents.Plus show up that insolent and obnoxious outsider.
If you can't, well, who is the real political " shill" here buddy? |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 585
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 6:28 pm: |
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BTW-
I said in one of my first posts it was great to see the good quality of candidates in your town. |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 930
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 6:34 pm: |
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I read your post:
"Since you apparently invited me to participate in your Maplewood political thread..."
Did you read my post? (I'll type it bigger)
When did I apparently do that?
Please read all my previous posts, and then show me where I "apparently invited you to participate in your Maplewood political thread..."
By the way, this is not my thread.
I'll wait for your response.
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fmertz
Citizen
Username: Fmertz
Post Number: 116
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 7:37 pm: |
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No, Paul and Dave- Bad Point. I am personally against the war and have no problem signing a petition or people attending a rally in the park. What I DO have a problem with is doing it at Town Meetings where MAPLEWOOD business needs to be done. The resolution will do absolutely nothing to stop the war but make you feel good and give yourself a pat on the back. Fine. It is a nice gesture and I can see you are proud but don't do it on company time especially when all Maplewoodians don't agree with you.
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Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6443
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 8:10 pm: |
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Okay...I live in Maplewood and have some ponies in this race. That being the case, Aquaman, can you , as the defacto representitive of the two challengers, answer the questions posed by FVF? I don't generally care for his/her posts, but instead of attacking his assertion that he was invited, please respond to the questions.
1)what is their specific program to reduce crime that isn't being done now, exactly?
2)how do you provide more recreational opportunities? Do you build more ballfields or a new recreational center? Where can you find the space/how much will it cost?
3)how would they develope Springfield Ave. differently or do better, considering your town apparently hired a planner?
Particularly considering the mailing of this week, I for one, really want to hear the answers to these questions. As I stated in a previous thread I don't have time to attend coffee's and such because of the conflicting work schedules that my wife and I share, so enlighten me. If you are able.
Thank you. |
shestheone
Citizen
Username: Shestheone
Post Number: 285
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 8:54 pm: |
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I would like to hear ALL the candidates provide clear answers to these questions. |
kathleen
Citizen
Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 534
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 9:17 pm: |
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Duncan,
First of all, to believe that Aquaman is any kind of spokesperson for the campaign of Nancy Adams and Lester Lewis-Powder is kind of incredible. You haven't been thinking that seriously have you?
And you do have ponies in the race -- I won't dispute that -- so why do you not ask the candidates directly? Both of them have e-mail features on their website where you can e-mail them directly.
I don't know if you got the same mailnng I did today from Fred Profeta, but Ken and Kathy are running a platform that crime has been going down on their watch, I don't see where the numbers support them on this at all, especially after the TC arranged for an emergency "public safety" meeting which caused hundreds of residents to get babysitters and give up an evening at home because it was presented as such an urgent problem. Ken and Kathy didn't speak up then to say anything about how crime was going down. Shouldn't you be asking them these questions?
How much of the debate did you watch? Lester, in particular, gave a detailed answer to how he would treat gang problems with a different approach. As the former head of Arthur Ashe's Safe Passages, he really brings a lot to the table on this issue. Nancy also identified where municipal youth programs fell down currently: they weren't enough for older kids, when they were most at risk of getting involved in questionable activities and needed youth programs.
Likewise with your other questions, but if you couldn't hear the answers or if the two-minute limit on answers left you wanting more, that's very understandable. But Nancy Adams knows more about her own ideas about development and how to make it happen than any anonymous MOL poster does -- especially one who used to be Fred Profeta's shill. And Lester Lewis-Powder knows more about youth programs and how to pay for them and what they should be than any anonymous MOL poster does either.
If you really are serious, get in touch with the candidates. They are both extremely open, outgoing, cheerful people and they are eager to share their knowledge about the things they have made their life's work long before this campaign.
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Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 586
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 9:55 pm: |
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My comment to all your Maplewoodians is:
Disagreement and debate is good because it means in the end you have better thought out positions on issues and ultimately better outcomes for your town in terms of results. I can only wish my town has as many involved and passionate people in the debate over our public issues and concerns as I see you do in your town. Congrats to you all on that.
I am not not dissing Aquababy's candidates, but playing on his seemingly paranoid fanatasies that I want to influence your election somehow.The questions I asked in this thread about their positions I would ask of candidates here in MSH if they took them in our election. Basically I wish you all the best in your selections and want to say you have my greatest respect as an informed and involved electorate. I have admired you guys from short range for quite some time. Keep it up.  |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 931
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 11:07 pm: |
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Fiction-fiction,
"I am not not dissing Aquababy's candidates"
>>yes you are "dissing"
"The questions I asked in this thread about their positions I would ask of candidates here in MSH if they took them in our election."
>>why didn't you ask the same questions of Ken and Kathy?
"I have admired you guys from short range for quite some time."
>>Yes. Verrry short range. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 590
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 11:14 pm: |
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Acquababy:
You are melting like the bad witch in the " Wizard of Oz". Get a grip. |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 932
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 2, 2006 - 11:23 pm: |
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fiction,
you're talking to a man who's laughed in the face of death.
Sneered at doom.
And chuckled at catastrophe.
I'm petrified. |
Paul Surovell
Supporter
Username: Paulsurovell
Post Number: 617
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 7:45 am: |
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fmertz:
I've modified your reply to my post on the antiwar resolution (my words in bold).
Do you see any contradiction between what you wrote and this modified version (keep in mind that the cost of the war to Maplewood residents has been over $59 million)?
fmertz's post with my bold:
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I am personally against New Jersey's property tax system and have no problem signing a petition or people attending a rally in the park. What I DO have a problem with is doing it at Town Meetings where MAPLEWOOD business needs to be done. A resolution on a State Property Tax Convention or Calling for the Legislature to Reform Property Taxes will do absolutely nothing to change our property taxes but make you feel good and give yourself a pat on the back. Fine. It is a nice gesture and I can see how you might be proud but don't do it on company time especially when all Maplewoodians don't agree with you.
________________________________
I should add that I don't believe that township resolutions are always an appropriate route to take. As I pointed out, our last initiative with the Township Committee (as well as the South Orange Board of Trustees) was in the form of a public letter, rather than a resolution. In retrospect, had the February 2003 measure been presented as a proclamation rather than a resolution, there probably would have been a unanimous vote in favor.
The bottom line, is that the Township Committee has the right to speak out on issues that impact the lives of Maplewood's citizens -- like property tax reform and the President declaring war -- even if those issues are not directly within the "business" purview of the Township Committee.
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fmertz
Citizen
Username: Fmertz
Post Number: 117
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 9:24 am: |
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You don't get. I don't know any Maplewoodians who are against lowering taxes but I DO know some who aren't against the war. Plus I don't believe that all Maplewoodians would be unanimous on how we should reform the taxes, not relying on prooperty taxes but income taxes??
Maplewood's resoluion against the war has done NOTHING to stop it. Go to D.C. if you need to. The TC is wasting time on glorified nothingness when they should be concentrating on a resolution on a state property tax convention. In fact, it should be discussed at every single meeting.
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Nohero
Supporter
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5470
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 9:27 am: |
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The resolution was passed years ago. Nobody is "wasting time", or otherwise spending any time at all on it right now.
... and I thought the resolution was an excellent idea. |
steel
Citizen
Username: Steel
Post Number: 1081
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 9:29 am: |
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Dear Dave,
I have been far from "bashing" Nancy. If I chose to, which I do not, I am surely well capable though there is no need or call for such. (except perhaps in the matter of the now already infamous "parking mailer"). Nor is there a need or call for you to be bashing me without a great deal more explanation for your reaction. I had, and have a legitimate concern involving redevelopment for Springfield ave and her potential future role in that regard which I expressed at the outset with a simple impression from a comment that she made at the debate which was entirely fair if not a responsibility to relate to others. I'm afraid that your portrayal of yourself as "calling me on it", is also ill termed since frankly from my perspective all you have done is misquote me, cast yourself as knowing a great deal about the history of redevelopment in SO and then when pressed for details dismissively state that you do not "carry a dossier" on the subject.
Frankly that is not helpful to an informative discussion in an open forum which is already overly prone to degenerate quickly, (including from myself in sharp reaction at times).
If you are going to attack someone's position, particularly in an unnecessarily abusive tone, particularly on your own board, particularly a poster who you otherwise kindly claim to enjoy reading, you should also be fairly and fully prepared to not just say "you're wrong", but that "you're wrong and here's why..." Instead all that you have succeeded in doing is to tell me I'm "ignorant", and that you know better but refuse to say why we Maplewoodians should be not only be comfortable with Nancy's abilities but be happy for them.
It would have been kinder and more efficient if you had simply said "talk to Nancy" or said nothing at all rather then perpetuate a mystery referenced with a degree of anger which is also mysterious and as yet unexplained.
In other words: I had said at the outset that Nancy left the process in South Orange and that now you have holes in the ground which is absolutely flatly true. If from that you inferred that I was saying that she was directly responsible for those holes then that is your own responsibility not mine. You drew your own inference of implied cause and effect seemingly without fully digesting the rest of my post. On the basis of your own inference, to accuse me of posting something which is untrue is completely unwarranted. My subsequent comments where meant as, (I thought a clear) question which was that perhaps if she had stuck around there would not be holes in the ground. Not that she dug them and left them but that she left others to dig them and (so far) leave them. If that question seems equally harsh to you, to her or to others then so be it but I have not posted an "untruth".
I'm sorry if this appears rambling but I've been up since 4:30 am, already made an airport run and respectfully, your opinion matters to me. |
Nohero
Supporter
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5472
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 10:36 am: |
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Quote:My subsequent comments were meant as, (I thought a clear) question which was that perhaps if she had stuck around there would not be holes in the ground. Not that she dug them and left them but that she left others to dig them and (so far) leave them.
I'm going to use a term which you may not like, so I'll apologize in advance. But, I'll use it anyway.
That's close to being "swift-boating".
Ms. Adams, or the rest of Main Street South Orange, did not have the power to keep the South Orange government from cutting deals with favored developers (or, in the case of South Orange, "non-developers"). It actually seems as if the Village government took potential properties away from her and the Main Street boosters, by enabling the "non-developers" to hold them, or to tear down buildings, or to otherwise inhibit those efforts to build up the business community.
You are suggesting that she could have brought in development, against the active opposition and/or poor choices of the Village government. I don't know why you would think that. And, I don't know why Ms. Adams deserves to be the subject of that insinuation.
Here in Maplewood, Ms. Adams became involved in the redevelopment of Springfield Avenue, first as a homeowner, and then with the Springfield Avenue partnership. Instead of "running away", it appears that she has developed experience in this area. Her run for office should be viewed as showing her interest in increasing her involvement.
Look, vote for the people you want to vote for, but don't get insulted if people object to the reasons you are stating to justify your vote. |
anon
Supporter
Username: Anon
Post Number: 2740
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 12:21 pm: |
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That's close to being "swift-boating".
I don't think I have ever before corrected anyone's grammar or usage, but when it's No-Hero, perhaps the smartest poster on MOL, the temptation is irresistable.
Don't you mean:
That's close to "swift-boating".
or
That's close to being "swift-boated".
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Paul Surovell
Supporter
Username: Paulsurovell
Post Number: 618
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 3:42 pm: |
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fmertz:
I agree that the TC should discuss and pass a resolution on a state property tax convention. But just as the antiwar resolution didn't stop the President from declaring war, a TC resolution on a state property tax convention won't cause such a convention to take place.
These resolutions address issues that are decided on the national and state levels, but the voices of local municipalities can help build a national and state consensus that ultimately can lead to the desired results. And that is why such resolutions are a legitimate way for the TC to carry out its responsibility to the citizens of Maplewood.
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Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 7551
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 4:20 pm: |
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Before we get so excited about pushing for a State Tax Convention, I think we have to consider who the majority of delegates will be to such a convention and how they are apt to shape any resolution or mandate that comes out of such an undertaking. I doubt the majority of those attending will be from municipalities such as ours which are hurting most based on the present formulas and the way in which they are applied. Why should the majority push for a restructuring which will be detrimental to their own interests as they see them? We could come out of Tax Convention in even worse shape than we went in.
Unfortunately, we need a long term fix to real property tax problem in NJ, one which considers all the implications of change and comes up with a new formula/approach which will treat all NJ taxpayers as fairly as possible while recognizing how harmful the present approach will be to the health and welfare of the State's economy and quality of life. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 597
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 5:41 pm: |
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Aquaman:
I am still waiting for my answers. You can talk the talk but can't walk the walk? Don't "punk" out on your candidates, sir.
Post up your clear and detailed replies to my questions. Otherwise your credibility is el zilch. |
Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2550
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 6:02 pm: |
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Good afternoon Factvsfiction:
Many of us on MOL, particularly those of us who live in Maplewood (or at least admit we do), actually accord Aquaman a great deal of credibility. Thank you for playing.
Wendy Lauter
Maplewood Resident |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 600
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 9:27 pm: |
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Wendy, as a Maplewood resident, what are your answers as to Aquaman's candidates positions on the issues which they themselves raise as warranting their election?
If you endorse, support, and attempt to sell your candidates to other residents, regardless of the town you live in, you should have the answers at your finger tips.
From my experience it is especially important when you are running challengers to incumbent politicians. In short, Aquaman's providing clear answers in a public forum such as this would no doubt BENEFIT his candidates.
You refer to me as "playing" but what substance and gravitas has Aquaman's posts injected into your political debate or aided his candidates' election? I have not seen much IMHO, other than in the way of humor, which of course is also fine, but not very effective, if you ask me. |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 933
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 10:57 pm: |
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factsvsfiction,
I'm going to break down the fourth wall here for you.
No wait, I'm not.
Here's what I know:
You care way too much about what some anonymous poster with a nom de nette of a weak superhero (!) has to contribute to a political discussion concerning a town that you supposedly don't live in.
Dr. Arthur Curry, Esq., DVM
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Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6459
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 10:54 am: |
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Aquaman...in the way that FVF cares way too much about what some anonymous poster contributes to a political discussion is a tad unfair. You state great support of the challengers in your posts which makes the above statement a bit of the pot kettle variety.
And Kathleen...I used the word "defacto" in its secondary definition
Quote:Exercising power or serving a function without being legally or officially established
since Aquaman seems to be tooting the horn of the Adams/Lewis-Powder team quite vehemently on this thread and others.
So I still would like to hear his thoughts on the questions raised by FvF and then again by me. I have met the candidates. Spoken with them in person. Seen the whole debate (a gruelling process if ever there was one, but with some really great articulation of the problems facing Maplewood and many opaque ways given to solve them...from all sides} and been to the website. I have emailed them both. I have answers from both of them. And I have heard an incredibly disturbing story about one of the candidates and his or her ability to control him or herself in heated "playground debate". Dropping the F Bomb on the ears of a six year old with no apparent recognition that perhaps there were better ways to express him or herself.
Listen, there was a great sports broadcaster named Walter Lanier Barber (Red Barber) who would NEVER swear, not even in personal life for fear of cursing on the air, where he knew that children would be listening. That lesson would be well taken by most of us, but particularly those people seeking public office. It makes me greatly question his/her ability to withstand the pressures of running a town like Maplewood without resorting to that level of discourse and the resulting discord.
Just my opinion. I haven't made my final decisions yet, but the above incident worries me a great deal more than where Ken parks. |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 935
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:52 am: |
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Nancy and Lester are FOR:
Reducing NJ's over-reliance on property taxes.
Increasing Maplewood's commercial ratables.
Keeping your taxes in check.
Rotating the Mayorship every 3 years.
Attacking gang activities.
Protecting citizens from harm, disease, violence, crime and petty nuisances.
Smart financing-seek out lower borrowing rates, like from the State of Arizona.
Delivering a pleasurable community in which to domicile.
Becoming America's most admired township.
Increasing youth initiatives.
Improving recreation facilities without raising taxes.
Seeking shared-services with neighboring communities.
Now before you ask how Lester and Nancy are going to accomplish this, ask yourself this: If they did all this, would you vote for them? If they couldn't do all this, would you vote for them? |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 639
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 1:01 pm: |
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they can't do one (and if they're busy trying to do one, then I know they aren't doing anything immediate for my community)
They can't do two as long as DeLuca is the "leader" (what did he do to increase ratables when he was mayor? huh? A lot of spinning wheels)
Can anyone do three?
Mandating four is idiotic.
Five is always a good thing. Are they going to maintain good police relations? (Issues with Vic, as I recall)
Hmmm, six? Can they keep west nile virus out of my overturned garbage can lids?
Regarding seven, can they balance my check book? (I'm in big trouble)
Regarding eight, pleasurable is in the eye of the beholder. I say it's been delivered. How about maintenance of all that pleasure, though?
Most admired, well, seems like Vic got to do that already (*cough*)
Ten, can't parents control their teens? sheesh.
Eleven, no need to improve rec facilities since K pushed through the rec (excuse me) Open Space ref/tax.
Twelve, well, they are jsut a tad late with this. We already share schools, and what do we need to share a Tau for, I ask.
This is a very very empty election. The challengers have brought nothing new based on my analysis above. Status quo is probably the safest route. Or a write in for Ian G could be satisfying.
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mjh
Supporter
Username: Mjh
Post Number: 582
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 2:05 pm: |
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"And I have heard an incredibly disturbing story about one of the candidates and his or her ability to control him or herself in heated "playground debate". Dropping the F Bomb on the ears of a six year old with no apparent recognition that perhaps there were better ways to express him or herself."
Duncan: I really, really hope that you have verified this story. Otherwise, it's pretty much gossip and beneath you to post it.
mj
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Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6460
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 2:14 pm: |
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The source is credible and has been verified by another. So I have done my due diligence. I wouldn't post it otherwise, I have been around MOL long enough to know better, as I am sure you are aware. |
mjh
Supporter
Username: Mjh
Post Number: 584
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 2:58 pm: |
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That's why I questioned it.........I was very suprised you posted it. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 606
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 3:55 pm: |
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Aquaman-
You really should be out peppering Maplewood with campaign posters instead.
You don't see to be influencing too many here online.
Challengers always need to distinguish themselves from incumbents, and an explanation of HOW they will accomplish things they claim warrants their election is what gets them votes, not just reciting a list.
One comment, local politicians have a greater liklihood of single-handedly ending the war in Iraq then they do reducing property taxes in New Jersey. |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 937
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 4:02 pm: |
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Fact,
Remember, we're running a non-tree-based campaign. "Peppering towns with campaign posters" is so MSH, in my opinion.
I'm influencing plenty online and many more in real life.
Yesterday's coffee we had 80. Friday's wine-tasting/fundraiser had over 200.
Woulda invited you, but you can't vote in Maplewood. |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 641
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 4:25 pm: |
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Call me a crab, but I just read Aqua's list more closely...I think it's what K and K ran on last time!! Or it's some kind of combo list pointing out the emptiness of it all.
Bottomline...they're all on the same page - hollow feel good promises and, smear tactics, and pettiness. Might as well throw darts. WOuldn't it be funny if NO ONE voted? |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11724
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 4:39 pm: |
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The only thing that Aquaman left off was Mom, the Flag and apple pie.
Talk about generic. |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 938
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 5:04 pm: |
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Lester and Nancy are for Moms, flags, and I believe we already discussed Nancy's apple pie.
See letters to the editor.
Thankey. |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 642
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 6:36 pm: |
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Hey! that's true! Some guy named Shippy said that since she makes a fab pie, she'll make a fab TC member. Quite catchy.... Mom and apple pie all wrapped into one big TC flag-waving member! |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 611
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 8:41 pm: |
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Considering what the kid did in that movie with the apple pie I find it disconcerting to come up in your political thread as true Americanism Aquaman and Bob K.
Maybe try a peach cobbler or a lemon meringue instead ? |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 939
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 9:04 pm: |
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Factvsfiction.
You sicken me.
Your posts are racist and classist.
I demand an immediate apology.
Yours Truly,
Dr. Arthur Curry
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Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 613
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 10:39 pm: |
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Racist and Classist?
It is I that deserve the apology. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9734
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:13 pm: |
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Two sock puppets having fun? Methinks so.  |
Carl Thompson
Citizen
Username: Topcat
Post Number: 202
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:42 pm: |
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Two anonymous posters going at it:
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Duncan
Supporter
Username: Duncanrogers
Post Number: 6467
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 12:49 pm: |
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Aqua...nice list. Fertile ground for sure. But the question you ask at the end of the list is, pardon me, ridiculous. You have to know that. |
Smarty Jones
Citizen
Username: Birdstone
Post Number: 700
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 1:12 pm: |
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Which TC members and Mayor were responsible for the "War Resolution?" Who is now currently promoting a "State Tax" Resolution?
Without any bearing on how I feel on these aforementioned National and State issues, I've decided how to vote today, which is to NOT vote for any Local TC member who wasted, or intends to waste any time on Non-Township business. Any info provided to that affect would be very helpful to me. Thanks in advance. |
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