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Author Message   Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 7548 Registered: 5-2001 Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 1:45 pm:        Saw Jamie this morning in the village seeking signatures on his nominating petition. He still needs about 100 signatures (he's half way there) and has about two days to get them (deadline is this coming Tuesday). If you want to see Jamie's name on the ballot in November, you are a registered voter in Maplewood and you haven't signed petitions for two of the five candidates who are already running, track him down between now and Monday and sign his petition. I believe he said something about being at Net Nomads for at least part of this afternoon. I've also heard there is a copy of his petition at HTTA.   helen Citizen Username: Helen Post Number: 50 Registered: 2-2005 Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 2:26 pm:        Jamie Ross is one of my favorite people, ever! I use him as a role model for my kids and sometimes for the employees in our store (Freeman's). Jamie is a guy who gets an idea and makes it happen. His ideas range from comedy and music to his committment to this town by organizing great events and through this website! If anyone knows what's going on around and about, it's Jamie. He's got an impressive background AND he's a nice person! This will be a campaign to watch!   greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7911 Registered: 5-2001 Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 5:52 pm:        FYI - any registered voter who hasn't signed a petition for another candidate can sign Jamie's petition, as Joan said. But, many don't realize that it has nothing to do with whether you support Jamie, plan on voting for him, agree with any of his platform or even like him as a person. You are only supporting his right to run for office by being on the ballot. Back in college, I spent many cold, rainy days petitioning for independent candidates to be on the ballot. It sucked big time and was very difficult to do. I feel for Jamie. Who cares if he never showers? Help him in the democratic process. Go sign the petition at HTTA.   jamie Citizen Username: Jamie Post Number: 540 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 6:33 pm:        Thanks so much Joan, Greentree and Helen. I'm getting closer to the magic number, but still have some work to do. Signing the petition does pledge your support for me when the election comes around, so it's a little more than just pledging my right to run. That's why I've mostly been soliciting people who know me personally. I'm planning on attending the festivities at HTTA tonight - the Jaybirds and Madison will be performing! Thanks to everyone's good wishes and support!   Lucy Supporter Username: Lucy Post Number: 3957 Registered: 5-2005 Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 11:12 pm:        Good Luck Jamie a politian who owes no favors to anyone? It's about time!   Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 6449 Registered: 12-2001 Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 11:31 pm:        Wow..it seems you can't PL Jamie. Hmmmm? Whats he got to hide. What is he afraid of? Responsible voters want to know.   TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1122 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Saturday, June 3, 2006 - 11:44 pm:        Joan, Can you, or somebody else, explain why one can't sign a petition to put Jamie on the November ballot if they have signed a petition for two of the five candidates in Tuesday's primary? Is my understanding incorrect that a primary candidate, upon losing the primary, cannot seek a petition slot on the November ballot because the filing deadline for petition candidate slots for the November election will have already passed by the primary election date? (Hence the urgency for Jamie collecting the required number of signatures prior to primary election day). Also, weren't three of the five candidates in Tuesday's primary placed on the ballot by the official Essex County Democratic and Republican party organizations, as opposed to petitions? I am obviously misunderstanding something. Please provide whatever degree of enlightment you can. Thanks, TomR   greenetree Supporter Username: Greenetree Post Number: 7914 Registered: 5-2001 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 12:41 am:        Jamie- In NYS (where I did the petition thing), signing the petition to get a candidate on the ballot did not obligate you to vote for that person. That's what I meant by "only the right to run". What "support pledge" does the petition infer? Not that I don't support you, but I want to make sure that I know what I'm talking about.   sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15100 Registered: 10-2001 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 12:48 am:        Jamie, I don't believe that signing the petition requires us to vote for you. In fact, I'm pretty sure of it since votes on Election day are private so it would be rather impossible to check. It's a good thing we don't have surveillance cameras in town, or you'd find out that I'm really going to vote for Uncle Floyd and Oogie for the TC.   jamie Citizen Username: Jamie Post Number: 541 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 2:28 am:        It does say that you pledge to vote for the person named in the petition. And that you have not signed any other petition of nomination for the Primary or for the General Election for such office. (I think since there are 2 positions open - the wording should account for signing two petitions. I'm not positive on this and will consult with the county clerk on this issue.) However, there is no way of verification of this come election day. If anyone wants me on the ballot - the petition needs to be signed. At this time I'm very close to the 177 signatures needed. I'm still going to try and get as many as possible before I submit the list. Thanks again for everyone's support, I'm very excited at the prospect of being on the ballot. And when I do, I look forward to meeting with many of you to discuss all of the town's concerns.   jamie Citizen Username: Jamie Post Number: 542 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 2:30 am:        Duncan - you couldn't PL me? Was there an error or no link? Feel free to email me directly at: jamie@maplewoodonline.com   Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5263 Registered: 1-2004 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 3:32 am:        Jamie If I lived in Maplewood I'd vote for you in a heartbeat! How many more signatures do you need?   Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 7556 Registered: 5-2001 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 6:31 am:        TomR: Did Jamie adequately answer your question regarding the number of petitions one could sign? I think it comes down to a candidate needing to demonstrate minimum support in the ballot box before their name can appear on the ballot. Since you can only vote for a maximum of two people at a time for TC (every three years there is only one seat available), signing up to two petitions this year makes sense. I assume the three candiates you are referring to in your post are Ken, Kathy, and Bart. Since all three asked me and/or my husband to sign their petitions to be on the primary and/or general election ballot, I assume they needed signed petitions just like the rest of us. The major difference from Jamie's situation being that they needed signatures from persons registered as members of their particular political party (Democrat or Republican). As an independant candidate, Jamie doesn't have that restriction.   jamie Citizen Username: Jamie Post Number: 543 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 11:14 am:        JTA - I think I have the signatures needed at this point, however, I intend to get more than needed just in case someone contests it.   Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 7562 Registered: 5-2001 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 12:13 pm:        Jamie: Congratulations on reaching your base goal. You should definitely try to get as many additional signatures as possible just in case some of the ones you have are contested.   anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2748 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 2:15 pm:        Also, weren't three of the five candidates in Tuesday's primary placed on the ballot by the official Essex County Democratic and Republican party organizations, as opposed to petitions? Tom: It doesn't work that way. The selection by the party organization, which is the County Committee, does not result in a candidate automatically being on the ballot. It is more like an official endorsement. Under the law in order for any candidate's name to be on the ballot he or she must submit sufficient petitions.   TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1126 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 2:41 pm:        anon & Joan Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding regarding the party endorsement. As for the rest of my confusion, could somebody direct me to the appropriate section of the election law that covers allowable signatures on nominating petitions? It strikes me as a bit odd that one can't petition to have an individual on the November ballot because the person petitioned to have someone else on the primary ballot. Thaks for any help. TomR   anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2750 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 5:00 pm:        Tom: I find that odd also. I just tried to research the issue concerning who can sign petitions. On line I found the election law which is Title 19 of New Jersey Statutes and I found the section concerning signing petitons for the General Election which says that a voter can sign only one petition for any office. I couldn't find anything specific on petitions for the Primaries. It would probably take a lot more research to figure this all out, but perhaps the law on signing petitions for the November election has been interpreted to mean that if you signed a petition in the Primary for a specific office you cannot sign one for the same office for the General Election. This raises another issue. There are two seats on the TC up for election. I would think those seats are two offices so that a voter should be able to sign a petition for one candidate in the Primary and still be able to sign a petition for one candidate in the General. But maybe this discussion is getting too academic.   Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 7565 Registered: 5-2001 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 5:05 pm:        I would agree with Anon's analysis.   anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2752 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 5:10 pm:        Thank you.   Bob K Supporter Username: Bobk Post Number: 11716 Registered: 5-2001 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 5:13 pm:        One way or another all of the above should suggest to Jamie that he get as many signatures as he can. I suspect that signatures will be challenged and the law seems to be a little confusing.   anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 2755 Registered: 6-2002 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 8:28 pm:        From what I can tell about how most folks feel about Jamie anyone who tries to challenge his petitions will be tarred and feathered.   The BARD Citizen Username: The_bard Post Number: 37 Registered: 5-2004 Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 9:41 pm:        'What win I, if I gain the thing I seek? A dream, a breath, a froth of fleeting joy. Who buys a minute's mirth to wail a week? Or sells eternity to get a toy? For one sweet grape who will the vine destroy? Or what fond beggar, but to touch the crown, Would with the sceptre straight be strucken down?   Hank Zona Supporter Username: Hankzona Post Number: 5640 Registered: 3-2002 Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 6:41 am:        Challenging petition signatures is one of the favorite sports of political operatives.   jamie Citizen Username: Jamie Post Number: 544 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 9:56 am:        ok, here's the deal. If Nancy and Lester had petitioned together - you would have been signing for both. However, they filed independently. So - signing one of theirs and mine is ok. So, if that was holding you back from signing mine - come down to HTTA tonight and sign. I will be there between 8-11pm. I will be filing the petition tomorrow!   Duncan Supporter Username: Duncanrogers Post Number: 6458 Registered: 12-2001 Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 10:08 am:        Does anyone know if K&K petitioned together?   Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 7567 Registered: 5-2001 Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 4:44 pm:        They were standing together when they asked my husband and I to sign their petitions. This was on a Saturday morning in front of the post office. I can't say whether they made a practice of seeking signatures together at any other time.   The Notorious S.L.K. Citizen Username: Scrotisloknows Post Number: 1591 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 5:26 pm:        Joan- I ran into them at the Bank of America on SA doing the same....   TomR Citizen Username: Tomr Post Number: 1129 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 7:51 pm:        I spent some time yesterday and again this afternoon reading New Jersey's Election Law and am still at a loss to understand what, if anything, signing a petition for a primary candidate has to do with signing a petition for a candidate in the general election. I don't think that anybody on the message board is trying to mislead anybody else, but I am wondering: whence comes this information? Is this from the County Clerk's office? Jamie, it may be a bit late for your own efforts, but if you could tell us where you got the information, I for one, would appreciate it. TomR   jamie Citizen Username: Jamie Post Number: 546 Registered: 6-2001 Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 7:59 pm:        I think if you sign for a candidate in the primary - that petition would carry on to the general election if they win the primary. Since an independent doesn't run in the primary, the petition is solely to get on the general election ballot. I got the multiple petition answer from calling the county clerk, and received the info on the independent petitions of Nancy and Lester by calling town hall. I'm not sure if Ken and Kathy petitioned together or not.   Just The Aunt Supporter Username: Auntof13 Post Number: 5293 Registered: 1-2004 Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 1:41 am:        Good luck Jamie!   Ima Perplecks Citizen Username: Victor Post Number: 48 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 1:51 pm:        A vote for Uncle Floyd and Oogie. I LOVE them!