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TomR
Citizen
Username: Tomr
Post Number: 1125
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 2:22 am: | 
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Who is he?
I received a forwarded e-mail regarding Tuesday's primary elections, purportedly from Mr. Marchman.
TomR
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Barbara
Citizen
Username: Blh
Post Number: 653
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, June 4, 2006 - 5:41 am: |
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Long time resident, current member of Zoning Board Of Adjustment, former Chairman and current Executive Committee Member of the Community Coalition, co-founder of MMS Mentoring Program, "Beloved Community" Award Honoree, former member Maplewood CBAC (School Budget)and much more. |
mplwdian
Citizen
Username: Mplwdian
Post Number: 139
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 10:32 pm: |
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See text of Robert Marchman's email below:
"I feel compelled to write this e-mail and request your support for Ken Pettis after receiving this week what I believe to be one of the most disgusting pieces of campaign literature I have ever received during my fourteen years plus living in this fine community from his opponents. Hence the emotion that may come through in this e-mail. At the outset I note the following, Ken is a friend of mine. However, my support for him is not driven by our friendship or race BUT by the fact that he has been an effective member of the Township Committee and has demonstrated independence from the Mayor (contrary to the comments of some).
The ad in question distributed by the Adams-Lewis-Powder campaign has a picture of Ken's car with inaccurate information about his use of the Maplewood Town Hall parking lot. What is offensive to me is that these individuals would stoop to putting personal information in the public domain uncaring of potential harm to Ken's family not to mention that the information in the ad is inaccurate. ( I remind those with short memories that I publicly criticized the low-lifes who published a picture of then Mayor DeLuca's home in the newspaper as the result of his support for the Maplewood property re-evaluation). I understand politics is fair game but standards of human decency do require that we all insist on some line beyond which certain conduct will be unacceptable.Do we want individuals who would stoop to such a low level to be our representatives in Town Hall? I say not! You should all keep in mind that this is part of an effort by David Heumer and Vic DeLuca to have David Heumer become Mayor (why does he think he is entitled to this office given his track record in office?). ( See today's ad from the Adams-Ponder-Lewis campaign in which David and Vic support Ken's opponents). Ken's unwillingness to say that he would support David (or Fred Profeta for that matter) for Mayor in 2007 lead to the effort to unseat Ken and Cathy. I find it interesting that two individuals, David and Vic, who supposedly support the mission of the CCR and diversity would take a no prisoners approach to gaining control of power. It further supports my long-held view that they a both hyprocrites and NOT friends of persons of color in this community as evidenced by their patoronizing and "I know what is best for you" approach to issues of race in this community. I can elaborate on this point if anyone will like additional information and feel free to communicate my views to them.
I too like many of you am sick and tired of the nonsense that has taken place during recent Township Committee meetings due to the constant unproductive one-upmanship that is on display between the Mayor and David Heumer/Vic DeLuca. (I leave it up to you to determine who is at fault.) However, Ken should be judged on his own record and content of his character and not be penalized for conduct of others. On both counts he excels and should be re-elected to Township Committee to represent the views of all Maplewoodians (not just those on the east or west or north or south) and fight for constructive and positive change.You should on your own take time to explore his contributions to this community in making it what it is today (remember where we were only 10 years ago-not a pretty picture). Compare that record to those of his opponents-no contest in my opinion! Your vote is crucial as well as those of friends and families. Vic and David are counting on low voter turn out to get their two votes in office. Please pass the word to get out the vote. In my view, it is important for the future of Maplewood (and South Orange).
I thank you for your time. Obviously by the above I will not be running for office but I am tired of the failure of many to speak candidly and publicly about what is in their heart and on their mind. I will continue to work for a better Maplewood (and South Orange). I hope that you all will too!
Robert Marchman"
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Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2563
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:09 pm: |
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Hi Mplwdian. Having fun yet? Still angry as hell? How the heck are you? Painting any gates? Suing anyone recently? Citing any statutes that have some bearing on us in Maplewood and our important election? Love to chat one of these days. I'm sure you know how to find me.
Wendy Lauter |
anon
Supporter
Username: Anon
Post Number: 2757
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:10 pm: |
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It further supports my long-held view that they a both hyprocrites and NOT friends of persons of color in this community as evidenced by their patoronizing and "I know what is best for you" approach to issues of race in this community.
Has Mr. Marchman ever before communicated his "long-held" view? |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9735
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:15 pm: |
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I think his letter is worse than the parking piece. It's all insider bs. |
Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2564
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:18 pm: |
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I was typing something longer but Dave said in 14 words what I would have taken at least 25 to say and not say as well. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9736
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:30 pm: |
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That must mean I have eleven more words coming to me. |
johnny
Citizen
Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1623
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 5, 2006 - 11:39 pm: |
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"Ken should be judged on his own record and content of his character..."
If this is the case then why does Marchman need to play the race card? |
mplwdian
Citizen
Username: Mplwdian
Post Number: 140
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 8:04 am: |
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Wendy- I didn't write the email. |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5647
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 8:23 am: |
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Ive never seen an endorsement letter that fairly and accurately places criticism where it belongs...on both factions. |
kathleen
Citizen
Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 544
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 8:39 am: |
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Certainly doesn't do CCR any credit. Glad this private e-mail being circulated became public. (Thanks for the secretarial help!) Wish more of the behind the scenes attacks, whisper campaigns and untraceable slurs engaged in by the Profeta camp were signed and given an address.
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Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5300
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 9:02 am: |
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Kathleen-
I'm willing to bet that the email with Mr. Marchman's name attached to it was sent to many people, not just a few. |
fmertz
Citizen
Username: Fmertz
Post Number: 120
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 9:33 am: |
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Only Kathleen could attack a person that has done for our community than Kathleen can type about. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9737
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 12:00 pm: |
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Can anyone answer Anon's question? |
jeffl
Supporter
Username: Jeffl
Post Number: 1727
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 3:52 pm: |
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The letter was forwarded to me by a member of the K&K "team" who I won't mention by name. I let him know that I thought it was irresponsible.
This primary has brought out the worst in both sides. I signed Jamie's petition today. |
kathleen
Citizen
Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 547
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 4:33 pm: |
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I wasn't criticizing Robert Marchman. I was criticizing the e-mail. There's a difference.
There are many good people involved in the race on both sides who have done a great deal of good for Maplewood on a volunteer basis. Some of them, on both sides in this election, have written intemperately and ended up impugning the personal character of the other side. Doesn't change the good they have done or their good intentions for the community. I chalk it up to woeful temporary lapses in judgment all around.
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John Davenport
Citizen
Username: Jjd
Post Number: 614
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 7:36 pm: |
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Whoever wins this election, I think that free parking at the town hall whenever a Town Committee member wants ought to be written into the law. These folks donate many hours of time for no pay. For the life of me, I cannot fathom why anyone would criticize one of them for using the free parking! The ad was a total outrage. There, I'm on record. |
CM Townsend
Citizen
Username: Cm_townsend
Post Number: 151
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 8:03 pm: |
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If a Township Committee member wants to park and take the train, he should have to pay for parking like the rest of the commuters. When a member is working on town business at the municipal building, then, of course, he should be able to park there for as long as it takes. Whether or not the members get adequately compensated for their time is a different matter entirely. |
John Davenport
Citizen
Username: Jjd
Post Number: 618
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 8:09 pm: |
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Fine, then pay each town committee member a $10,000 a year salary. That would be much better. I agree with you entirely CM; why didn't I think of this earlier? We don't want this job to be held only be rich folks who can afford to take all this time out of their jobs, so pay them a real salary to make up for that enormous time sacrifice. While you are at it, this applies to Board of Education members too.
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CM Townsend
Citizen
Username: Cm_townsend
Post Number: 152
Registered: 2-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 8:22 pm: |
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Nobody is forcing them to take the position. Anyway, I thought that Democrats are all about community service! |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15126
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:34 pm: |
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Well that's certainly great. I'm sure that the 50 people you've just listed email addresses for are going to be thrilled with all of the spam that they're going to get from Nigerian check cashing scammers.
Sheesh. |
Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2567
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:36 pm: |
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Not sure what your point is Ellen besides making public people's email addresses - not a very nice or wise thing to do. Do you think Bob Marchman's email was correct? Did you agree with it? Personally, as Dave said, I found it worse than the so-called parking mailer that supposedly "inspired" his blast email. |
jamie
Citizen
Username: Jamie
Post Number: 547
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:42 pm: |
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Elle, I removed your posting. I don't think posting email lists on this forum is a good idea. Spambots can pick up email addresses and many people may not want their email addresses public. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15128
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:43 pm: |
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Okay let's delete all of the posts related to email addresses on three! |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5664
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:44 pm: |
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yes, I have to carefully protect myself through the cunning use of my alias.
(Hi Ellen)
So Jamie, now you know who is going to challenge your petition signatures. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15129
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:44 pm: |
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See this is the kind of immediate action that makes Jamie TC material.
No committees were formed. No polls were taken. He just deleted the post. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15130
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:45 pm: |
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And who his new friends are. |
Ellen Sleeter
Citizen
Username: Ellen
Post Number: 21
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:45 pm: |
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Friends,
My apologies for posting the email addresses. Of course, you're correct! I was trying to illustrate the "influence", but that was not a smart way of doing it.
And it seems the posting was removed in any case. Phew. Thanks Dave.
I should know better -- I'm a Postmaster myself...
Ellen
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9749
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:45 pm: |
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Or... the Deletion Committee is just really, really fast. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15131
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:50 pm: |
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Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5665
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - 10:53 pm: |
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S,
is that a picture from the Pettis-Leventhal party? |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11742
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 8:03 am: |
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I suspect that Mr. Marchman's comments about Vic in particular may well date back to the years when he was Mayor and continually cut the CCR funding. |
Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2571
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 9:52 am: |
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Bobk, you have been so wrong about so much in so many of your recent posts - including this one - that I don't know where to start (and insulting to people who care about Maplewood who just may be more liberal than you - yeah that's rabid alright). So I won't start. It's just not worth the finger cramping exercise in futility. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11745
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 9:56 am: |
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Wendy, didn't the TC cut funding to the CCR during the Ryan/DeLuca years? My recollection is they did.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9752
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:16 am: |
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My recollection is the CCR was getting $37k and Fred wanted $50k. I guess you could weasel a way to call that a cut, but it doesn't seem honest. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11748
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:34 am: |
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Dave, it was a cut, but you bring up a good point in that it might have been the first salvo in the local political war. |
Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2572
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:38 am: |
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Bull's-eye Dave. Particularly when other organizations were cut as well. |
Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2573
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:40 am: |
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It was not the first salvo BobK. It wasn't a salvo. It was good government keeping costs down and not caring (for once) what the "political" fall-out would be. How's West Orange politics, btw. Have it all figured out to explain to us in some sound-bites? Can't wait. |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5670
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:46 am: |
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I didnt realize West Orange had a political scene..I thought it was gravy train. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9753
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:54 am: |
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Bobk,
The machine needs tweaking in W.Orange, as well. Get your soldering iron and get busy. If you like, we'll even create a West Orange section on MOL :-) |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11750
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 10:58 am: |
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Wendy, drink the koolaid, it is very good today. 
Hank, I am still trying to figure out the politics. Elections are non-partisan, but it is obvious what party people are affiliated with simply because the Mayor is also an Assemblyman. His opponent actually showed up on our doorstep during the recent campaign and dropped a load about taxes, development, etc. on me. There are a couple of people who show up at TC meetings and berate the Mayor and the TC almost weekly, but to me a lot of it is still "inside baseball" stuff. Like I said, I am still trying to figure it out.
And yes, I am still in denial about leaving Maplewood after nearly 30 years. It is kind of a mixed feeling. I hate what has happened to the political scene in MW over the last five or six years, but I am still fascinated by it.
For the record if I still lived there I would have voted for Ken and would have like to support Ms. Adams because of her experience, but in the end probably wouldn't have because of real concerns with David Huemer as Mayor.
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Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2574
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 11:09 am: |
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BobK, the thing that frustrates me about your posts is in fact your quick, often inaccurate, assessments. It's not the Koolaid that is the issue; Koolaid is a ready-made drink. I feel your analysis - if it can be called that - of the political situation in Maplewood comes from misplaced anger which you never go into detail of. You just mix a tablespoon of powder dump some water in and let the words fly out and see what sticks. If I were to ask you why you have concerns over David H as mayor you would likely say that you don't want to speak ill of anyone. But in fact you have been speaking ill of a lot of people throughout this primary. Calling people who support Vic and David and others as rabid liberals. Telling us we have drank the Koolaid.
OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT IN MAPLEWOOD IS A TOWNSHIP COMMITTEE SYSTEM. THE MAYOR IS NOMINAL HEAD OF IT! Why not tell us what the problem is with David Huemer or anyone else heading the committee? Frankly, I have lost more respect for Fred with his suggestions to change our system than anything else he's done or not done. This included making the Board of Education elections more political than they needed to be. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9754
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 11:12 am: |
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Hey, I'm going to ask Bush to increase aid to certain NJ municipalities with zip codes 07040 and 07079 and when he doesn't do it I'm going to accuse him of raising our taxes higher than everyone elses. Same logic as saying not giving Fred all the funds he desired was a "cut" to the CCR. Why not instead praise Vic and Jerry (and others) for funding the CCR to the tune of $37k and still looking out for taxpayers?
Instead Maplewood has Fred. Fred changes parties. Surrounds himself with yes-men and yes-women. Kowtows to Essex machine politicians. Botches the police station, botches the parks, doesn't cut taxes or hold spending to the CPI, and on top of it all creates a hidden new tax for homeowners. But then donates $50,000. It's crazy. It's bad governing. It's up there with blowing a half a million on a gifted sculpture. People know this in their bones, but are so caught up with the politics of personality that they forget the facts and enter like zombies into the voting booth.
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Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 626
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 11:15 am: |
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If an outsider unfamiliar with Maplewood were to come apon these posts they might come to conclude that Maplewood is a Balkan-like country with many blood feuds that can continue for generations.
(just kidding)
Your primary election is over, so why beat it to death? Rally round the town flag, and resume the mud fights at primary time next year. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11752
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 11:24 am: |
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Wendy, in the years I lived in Maplewood in spite of the nominal system of government the Town had there were a number of very strong Mayors, starting with Bob Grasmere and working up through Vic DeLuca and possibly Fred Profeta.
The same thing can be said about SO, where their government more ressembles the City Manger model than the Mayor/Council form they nominally have.
Dave, a lot of what you say about Profeta I agree with. However, how strong are the ties to Joey D and company? Is being on decent terms with the county necessarily bad? |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9756
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 11:30 am: |
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It's only bad if you fail to accomplish anything through those ties other than campaign donations. |
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