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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9755
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 11:29 am: | 
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I feel like we need a local version of the Daily Show.
Here we have the president (or recent president?) of the CCR (a Black man named Robert Marchman) advising people not to vote for Nancy (a White woman) and Lester (a Black man) because David Huemer (a White man) and Vic DeLuca (a White man) are not "friends" of "people of color".
Huh?
It must be very embarrassing for the CCR and its many supporters and volunteers, mustn't it?
I mean, here we have a president of the organization (again, perhaps recent president) and the initial founder (Fred, a White man), using race to split votes among Maplewood voters in a DEMOCRATIC primary.
Why?
Good lord. Democrats? This is supposed to be what Republicans do.
I mean wasn't the whole point to INTEGRATE the town?
Am I alone in wondering about this stuff? I mean is THIS the future? The INTEGRATION team using race like this? What's up with that? I don't have any answers and I'd like to think apologies are forthcoming. |
Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2575
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 12:27 pm: |
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I give this thread no more than 10 more posts before someone comments that you don't live in Maplewood and perhaps another 10 before people accuse you of being an unfair moderator. I give it five minutes before you are sent five PL's. 
Seriously, I think you raise some very good points (already raised in a prior thread) that clearly deserve their own thread. Why indeed? Let's discuss. Perhaps after lunch I'll join in. |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 648
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 1:01 pm: |
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I'll cut to the quick in 3 posts...I don't think they'll be any comments. Marchman was pissed how his friend was portrayed in that obnoxious stupid ad and people recognize that. What's the point in getting crazy about what he said?
Dave, you don't live in Maplewood. Dave, why are you doing other people's bidding? Dave, the village committe in SO is a DISGRACE!!!! There is absolutely no comparison to Maplewood since in Maplewood, at the bottom of it all, they know how to run their meetings and they get results (ESPECIALLY in comparison to SO) and they all actually do care about the town. You all in SO can't even get rid of Calabrese and his cronies!!! After how many years now? Get organized over there for pete's sake. And for your sake. And for the holes in the ground sake. And for Maplewood's sake.
Dave, I think you are a heck of a good moderator. And sorry, I don't think you'll get and PLs over your musings. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9758
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 1:02 pm: |
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The only PLs I've received were about the non Corzine endorsement endorsement. But I'll save that for another topic, to be called "Senator Corzine's Office Phone Number is Different from Your Printer's Phone Number". Then we'll do the "What the heck was THAT" topic about the Ken parking piece, which probably lost Nancy and Lester at least 100 votes. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9759
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 1:13 pm: |
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Dave, why are you doing other people's bidding?
Huh? |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 649
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 1:22 pm: |
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sounds fair. Still, I don't think Maplewood will ever be able to out-Tau the Tau. Or out-holeintheground your holesintheground.
I also think the police station should have been where the Hilton library is, and the hilton library should have been moved to dehart center. Any brave politician would have fought for that. Awww, they're all cowards. Egos run amok. oooh, I'm getting depressed, must be the rain. |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 650
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 1:26 pm: |
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hmmm, didn't see that last question. Well, the marchman thing just seems to be such a non-issue that it occurred to me that you brought it up because you and some Maplewood politicos want to make an issue of it. Maybe I'm just wrong. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9760
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 1:31 pm: |
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Tau is not worse because it only involves idiotic expenditures and not informing the public or holding open debate rather than overt untrue racist statements spread by members of the South Orange Maplewood Community Coalition on Race.
For all the bad decisions Mr. Calabrese may make, he would never stoop so low as saying his colleagues were "not friends" to "people of color".
I haven't spoken with or emailed a Maplewood "politco" since I bumped into Vic at a What Exit fundraiser over a month ago (4/27). We talked about SIDs. And I waved to David Huemer and his wife as they drove down Baker St. a few weeks ago. |
fmertz
Citizen
Username: Fmertz
Post Number: 125
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 1:32 pm: |
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Dave grew up in M/So and is entitled to his opinion. Plus he is good friends with the guy who who had the competitions campaign headquarters so "their side" would have to rub off on him. Besides being a moderator, he has his own views even though they are the wrong ones  .
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9761
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 1:38 pm: |
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Thanks, fmertz. These are all my own opinions thought up all by myself. I think the issue under discussion here stands on its own even if an anonymous Republican turned Democrat had posted it.  |
crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 651
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 1:42 pm: |
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Dave- Calabrese supported those two new women as Trustees, and they always seem to be challenging people's "color" integrity. It's revolting.
And did I say Tau was worse? I think my underlying sentiment is that Tau is representative of all the bad governing that goes on with the village trustees. marchman is not a TC member, so who cares. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 630
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 2:06 pm: |
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Dave does raise an interesting issue in his posting here. It does seem using racial/ethnic/religious/sexual orientation,( not specifically referring to Mr. Marchman here since I did not read his entire e-mail which fairness requires) in elections is totally acceptable if it is done by someone of the particular racial, religious, or sexual orientation in question.
In the MSH Township Committee race several years ago the Repubs sent out a mailing which showed a figure pearing out through blinds with a caption that appeared to suggest outsiders were looking to take over the town. The Dems and libs in town jumped all over them as the figure, according to them, appeared to be dark-skinned, so it was suggesting racism etc.. Repubs stated something like the figure came out darker in printing, no slurs intended, etc etc.
Point is, it probably would never have been made an issue if one of the Repubs running or the Repub party chair was an African-American.
In the 21st century why not? |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9762
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 2:07 pm: |
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Mr. Marchman is not a TC member. He is or was the CCRs president. His race splitting missive was forwarded to Fred, who saw fit to forward it yet again.
Quote: It further supports my long-held view that they [David and Vic] a [sic] both hyprocrites and NOT friends of persons of color in this community as evidenced by their patoronizing and "I know what is best for you" approach to issues of race in this community. I can elaborate on this point if anyone will like additional information and feel free to communicate my views to them.
What Fred could have done: Call Mr. Marchman, and say, "Thanks for this great letter of support, but do you mind taking the line out about calling my colleagues racists? I know it's not the case and I don't want this letter to become the beginning of dividing people based on race issues.")
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Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2576
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 2:08 pm: |
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True Crabby. Mr. Marchman is not a TC member. I had always heard that Fred wanted him to run. The last paragraph of his email implies as such.
Quote:Obviously by the above I will not be running for office but I am tired of the failure of many to speak candidly and publicly about what is in their heart and on their mind.
emphasis added by someone who is also speaking publicly from their heart but not playing the horrible and incorrect race card. This is not the first time that Mr. Marchman has done this. I still remember his letter to the editor about the leveling issue. Apparently with Mr. Marchman, it's his way or the racist way. Pathetic.
Wendy Lauter
Proud District 19 Resident of Maplewood |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 940
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 2:20 pm: |
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Robert Marchman,
"I can elaborate on this point if anyone will like additional information and feel free to communicate my views to them."
Yes, Robert. I would like more information. Please provide your views here on MOL. |
fmertz
Citizen
Username: Fmertz
Post Number: 126
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 2:39 pm: |
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Slight correction Dave-
26 years as unaffiliated
1 year as Republican
5 years Democrat
Being a true independent at heart... priceless!
Go Jamie! |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 6284
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 3:22 pm: |
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fmertz,
Don't you love being outed!
Me:
XX years unaffiliated
One day as Republican
5 years as democrat (ugh!)
My whole life as a devil worshipper
Priceless!
Party schmarty - People in Maplewood act so high schoolish about it - very unproductive.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9768
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 3:30 pm: |
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I'm not sure who fmertz is other than someone who has posted about issues from a Republican viewpoint before and someone who may or may not be married to someone named Ethel. No outings here. |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 6285
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 3:43 pm: |
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fmertz is married to ethel, but I always suspected he had the hots for Ricky.
Babalooo! |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9769
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 3:47 pm: |
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<--- trumpet playing |
jeffl
Supporter
Username: Jeffl
Post Number: 1729
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 7, 2006 - 3:58 pm: |
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As I wrote to the mayor in response to that email, the only one who can be happy about the political sniping of the past week is Jamie. Being unaffiliated with either "side", perhaps he can add some reason to the TC.
He's got my vote. |
johnny
Citizen
Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1632
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 12:04 am: |
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I just want to thank Dave for "borrowing" my question from the original Marchman thread. |
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