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TomR
Citizen
Username: Tomr
Post Number: 1147
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:40 pm: | 
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Bottomline,
I'll take your, and Larry's word for it. I wonder how long I've been a Democrat?
In any event, it would seem my question to you, is moot.
Thanks to both you and Larry for the reality check. Now, of course, I'll have to go and undemocratize myself.
Larry,
I hope my response to you earlier didn't sound snide. It was not my intent.
TomR |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5678
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:42 pm: |
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and 30 votes is just 15 people voting differently...I bet finding 15 people who switched their vote because of the mailer wouldnt be all that difficult. |
TomR
Citizen
Username: Tomr
Post Number: 1148
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:48 pm: |
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Lydia,
So this will be the third or fourth time.
I made a mistake in rising to your bait. I expressed my regret for that lapse in judgement, and the reason for that regret; and wished you well.
I later told you I wouldn't play with you, bit my tounge, and wished you a nice day.
I don't bash those who offer their time in our service (regardless of whether I agree with them or vote for them) and don't particularly enjoy discussions with those who do.
Your posts to me only demonstrate a severe lack of reading comprehension and, at best, only a vague familiarity with reality.
I really don't care any more if you have a nice day.
TomR |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9800
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:50 pm: |
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Sometimes I wonder if there should be a communications moratorium in the last week of a campaign so this last minute attack strategy could go away, but I know that's not realistic. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9801
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:52 pm: |
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I sense more disappointment than anger or bashing in Lydia's voice. |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5170
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:52 pm: |
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"All candidates get money and support from people who believe in them."
Do you really believe that? I don't! It's all about the "Maplewood Democrats" and their machine.... Who's going to give Nancy and Lester money and support them next year? Better yet, who's going to believe in them next year? Listen, everyone knows they were used, better yet, used up!
As I said, without Vic and David's money and support they wouldn't have received enough signatures on their petitions to even get on the ballot... |
Wendy
Supporter
Username: Wendy
Post Number: 2590
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:54 pm: |
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Not sure I agree with you Hank. Although I personally found the parking mailer in poor taste (I think there are always better ways for candidates to campaign than in a negative manner - this goes for both sides), I would guess that there are plenty of people who took the mailer at face value and were disturbed by the substance of it, i.e, whether Ken was doing something hypocital (I didn't think so btw). I know of at least two who would have liked to have questioned Ken about the parking. These people are not readers of MOL btw. I told one of these people that the mailer wasn't really accurate and there would have been better ways for Nancy and Lester to distinguish themselves from the incumbants. That didn't stop me from voting for them; I'm sure it didn't stop others too. Very simply, the mailer could likely have been a wash. There is more to analyzing what affects voters than the issues that have come up on this message board. These voters saw the debates and that was what convinced them to vote for Nancy and Lester.
Oh and Admiral. Good posts particularly your response to Art about the out of balance stuff. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9802
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:54 pm: |
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Art, If I may....
The Maplewood Democratic machine is a Volkswagen bug with your neighbors running it.
The Essex Democratic machine is a belching SUV rife with corruption and patronage.
One has a lot of power, but the other will give you better mileage in the long run. |
Strawberry
Supporter
Username: Strawberry
Post Number: 7397
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 4:55 pm: |
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So TomR decides to insult rather than explain his position. Kathy and Ken did lie and they put it in writing on a mailer. There was even a cute little picture with Governor Corzine as well to better sell the lie. Lydia has already explained this to you more than once.
Seems as if you have the reading comprehension issue, buddy boy.
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crabby
Citizen
Username: Crabbyappleton
Post Number: 659
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:03 pm: |
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Oh malarkey. They all belch. It's all dems, and if Fred were to ever leave office or not get re-elected, whatever, Vic will be grabbing the machine spotlight.
And what do you all mean, out of balance? What does that mean? |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9804
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:17 pm: |
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Let's leave campaigns aside for a moment and look at styles of governing.
David and Vic put their cards on the table when putting a budget together. If they think they need to increase taxes, they'll say why and do it and take responsibility. You may not like the programs they like and that's all fair. But you know where you stand.
Ken, Kathy and Fred do it the sneaky, Essex machine way. Trust me, they didn't come up with the hidden tax via plebescite themselves. They needed more revenue but they didn't want to stand up and take the responsiblity for it. That's government by cowardice and it's misleading and new to Maplewood after decades of openness and honesty through mayors like Grasmere, Davenport, De Luca, Ryan, etc. (apologies if I've forgotten someone)
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fmertz
Citizen
Username: Fmertz
Post Number: 127
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:20 pm: |
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It means that the voters in some districts didn't vote for their candidates. |
Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1938
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:20 pm: |
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TomR -
What, specifically are you yapping about?
I know about the district leaders (I was one)
I know about the districts and other district leaders (I was on the executive committee of the MDC)
I was on the nominating committee and the campaign committee for Ken and Kathy 3 years ago, and gave them both enthusiastic endorsements.
I was on the campaign committee for Fred Profeta/Independent, Fred and Ian/Democrats I and II.
In a nutshell, I've been there and walked the walk.
You, on the other hand, don't even know if you're a Democrat or not.
Whatever I said that pissed you off - address my comments and leave my reading comprehension out of it - OK?
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fmertz
Citizen
Username: Fmertz
Post Number: 128
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:23 pm: |
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Do you mean to say that Vic and Jerry NEVER did anything sneaky???? LOL..... |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5679
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:24 pm: |
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Wendy,
I dont know for sure if the mailer accounted for the difference..I did say "they may have won" without it. But folks choose to vote for a lot of different reasons, some of those reasons you clearly outlined, although the debate or direct campaign trail conversation may have swayed fewer people than did faction affiliation or perceived shared idealogy. It is a fact that some people changed their vote away from Nancy and Lester because of that mailer. Did some change their vote away from Ken and/or Kathy because of it? Maybe, but I havent heard anyone say that. I have heard people say they changed their vote in favor of Ken and Kathy because of it though. It all may have been a wash, or it all may not have been. From the conversations I have had, it clearly didnt help Nancy and Lester. Also from the conversations I have had, most people, regardless of who they voted for, are pretty fed up.
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ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5171
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:27 pm: |
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"These voters saw the debates and that was what convinced them to vote for Nancy and Lester."
Dear Wendy, our good friend "S" nailed the debate issue when he said, Ken won it hands down! As for the balance on the TC at the moment, it's a little "two" far to the left. Although next year we'll take care of that... 
BTW, you know you are always welcome to put in your two cents Dave.... and, as for the Maplewood Democratic machine and their relationship with my neighbors, it's nothing new to me.
However, it's them who have been belching and rife with corruption, patronage, and cheap shots for years. FWIW, I wish them no bad will, I just don't ever want to see them in control of our town and it's policies... |
Nohero
Supporter
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 5498
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:33 pm: |
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Quote:However, it's them who have been belching and rife with corruption, patronage, and cheap shots for years.
So, by that do you mean that you have examples of the "corruption" or "patronage" here in Maplewood, to which you refer? Or, is that another one of those "cheap shots"? |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5680
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:35 pm: |
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whoa Art...corruption? I dont think either faction has been traveling on the high road, but to claim corruption is really serious. If you dont wish anyone bad will, you shouldnt toss a claim of corruption around without some backing up. As for the Maplewood Republican Party, they cant even back out of the driveway to get on any sort of road, but my guess is, they wouldnt have directions for the high road either in today's political climate. I would also think there was plenty of patronage to go around though during their former heyday. |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11766
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:42 pm: |
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Admiral, according to the state election commission David Huemer contributed five grand to the A&PL campaign and Vic DeLuca contributed $2,000. These were, as of a few days ago, the only contributions that had to be itemized. This is from a post by a very reputable poster here on MOL.
Dave:
Up front about taxes? Vic and Jerry? How soon we forget the nearly 10% municipal tax increase slipped through in the hubbub of the Reval? Or raiding the Pool fund to pay a lawsuit settlement and then bonding the money the next year. Or how about never really negotiating with the police on a raise as the MPD went to pot that had to be addressed when they were voted out of office. While I have always felt going back to his days running the CCR that Profeta plays his cards much close to his chest there is plenty of excrement to go around.
I am not a fan of the Essex County "machine" I still don't know how they are infiltrating Maplewood. Are we providing no show jobs? Is Fred a bagman? |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9807
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:48 pm: |
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Look at the District Leader candidates. The involved parties are Maplewood Democrats and Fred's people are Essex Democrats. Couldn't be clearer. Bagman is your word. I don't know why you are interjecting it here and I'm not even clear on your meaning.
The "raiding the pool fund" is a catch phrase to describe something that was completely legal. The reval was something that was mandated and everyone got up in arms and people either accused or insinuated that Vic did of all kinds of illegal things without a modicrum of evidence. It was a sad time, as is this, for Maplewood. We can point to the archives rather than rehash it, or start another thread, but you're off base and ever time you've spoken with Jerry Ryan he was completely forthright with you and you have admitted that on several occasions here on MOL. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 643
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 5:50 pm: |
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Boy, your politics is vicious !
The primary election is over and here you are still fighting it out.
I like that.
Maybe I should move to Maplewood.
MSH is just too sedate. |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5172
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 6:05 pm: |
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Sure, let's look at styles of governing...
Where in the world do you get that Vic, Jerry, and David put their cards on the table when putting a budget together. Dave, have you ever attended a budget meeting, or have you served on the Maplewood CBAC as many of us on this Board have? Everything is out in the open. You can run, but you can't hide, at least not for long...
Listen, what short memory we have. When Vic and Jerry needed to increase taxes they used the Maplewood Pool fund, and don't say it was legal, or the Friends of the Library money, or went to the Reval to cover it up, or whatever or wherever they could grab it without letting us know what they were up too...
I personally don't like the programs they put together, or the way they did and didn't do things in town. Most glaringly is their failure to act on the new police station four years ago when they had control of the Committee. Trust me, I knew where we stood, so please don't get me started...
BTW, Ken, Kathy and Fred are not sneaky! They never have and never will be. If you want to talk about government by cowardice you're barking up the wrong Mapletree. (My apologies if I've forgotten someone. I'm getting ready to go to the Chamber Awards Dinner tonight at the MCC for Barbara H. Williams...)
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9808
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 6:09 pm: |
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OK, let's go to videotape. January 21, 2001
Quote:Two years ago some pool surplus was used as an item of revenue in the township's budget, by unanimous vote of the TC at a public meeting. This was a perfectly appropriate use of utility surplus funds, done in a manner that was both perfectly legal and handled very badly by the TC in general and me personally. It was justified by the observation that there had historically been a number of things that the township did for the pool that were not charged to the pool (that procedure was changed by the way), by the fact that the pool traditionally carried a large surplus, and by our feeling that it was good policy to keep taxes as low as possible. It should have been discussed with the pool advisory committee and it wasn't... and when I finally did discuss it with the pool advisory committee, I handled it very badly and angered the committee members even more, something I am not terribly proud of.
Regarding the pool discussion on this board last summer, I suggest that you go back and read it. In an extended discussion about 3rd quarter tax bills, in a long posting from Ms. Marzano that hits quite a few topics, Ms. Marzano says: "On another issue, are we doing any creative financing with monies that are to be designated to the town pool?" I reply (in a long message on a bunch of topics): "If by "creative financing" you are complimenting me for prudent fiscal management, thank you! If by "creative financing" you are making an accusation or some veiled insinuation, please stop it. If you have something to say, please say it." On this board (and in other places) during that campaign, I was accused of being underhanded, personally lining my pockets, having conflicts of interest, being criminal, or being just plain stupid. Some folks said those things to score political points, and some say them because they believe them to be true.
Lots of people said lots of things about all four candidates during the election, on this board and in other places. Since I was nothing but polite to Ms. Marzano throughout the election, I don't think I need to apologize to her. If she thinks otherwise, I'd like to hear from her.
That was Jerry Ryan. Accepting some criticism, but clearly laying out the rationale and reasoning. |
Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9810
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 6:20 pm: |
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In case people want to read that in context:
/discus/messages/129/2101.html?980386586
ok, back to THIS year's election results....
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Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11767
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 6:24 pm: |
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Dave, the point I am trying to make is that to avoid tax increases the prior administration pulled some creative stuff. I am not accusing anyone of doing anything illegal, just very creative. In the end all of this caught up with the Town.
I admit the pool fund and especially the fact the town wasn't reserved for the settlement of the lawsuit bugs me. I have spent the last ten years dealing with self insurance and excess coverage over retentions and getting caught flat footed is not a sign of good management.
And, who brought up the Reval? I am of the opinion it was badly flawed, but was good for Maplewood as a whole.
For the record I have no personal ax to grind with either Vic or Jerry. My personal dealings with them have always been very civil. I like them and I like Ken. I don't know Kathy well enough to have an opinion. I find Fred stuffy and self important.
I remember years ago when Vic and Jerry were supporting a guy named, I believe, Gibson for County Executive. He wasn't running on the regular line. TC candidates were running on the Essex County Democrats line. I don't think this is really that significant, unless there are factors that aren't public.
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sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15134
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 6:24 pm: |
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Both sides stink.
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ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5173
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 6:28 pm: |
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"That was Jerry Ryan. Accepting some criticism, but clearly laying out the rationale and reasoning."
So are you and Jerry now suggesting that taking the money was really OK?
It wasn't a perfectly appropriate use of utility surplus funds. It also wasn't done in a manner that was perfectly legal. Yes, it was handled very badly by the TC in general and Jerry personally. It could never be justified by trying to keep taxes as low as possible. It should have been discussed with the pool advisory committee and wasn't..
True, Jerry handled it very badly and I'm sorry you had to bring it up Dave. Just don't tell us again about how great your pals were, because they weren't!!!
So let's forget about it, and also your earlier statement about government by cowardice and the misleading of residents and committee's after decades of openness and honesty through Mayors like Grasmere. |
Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1940
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 6:53 pm: |
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Bobk -
Quote:I remember years ago when Vic and Jerry were supporting a guy named, I believe, Gibson for County Executive. He wasn't running on the regular line. TC candidates were running on the Essex County Democrats line. I don't think this is really that significant, unless there are factors that aren't public.
Actually - that's huge. It's Giblin BTW.
Giblin v. Joe D was the tipping point.
That's the election when the district leader races became an issue.
I think it was a good thing that district leaders had to get off their duffs and knock on doors, but when the dust settled most of the "new" DL's were as lazy and ineffective as the old. Both sides were place holders ignoring their constituancies and beholden to their higher-ups.
I agree - what Sbenois said.
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Dave
Supporter
Username: Dave
Post Number: 9811
Registered: 4-1997
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 7:00 pm: |
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Yes, both sides stink, but one stinks less. This is politics, after all, so stinkiness is relative.
Note the mode of dialogue going on here.
Bobk shoots a wide scattershot then, when corrected, refines it a bit. Why not try to get it right the first time? Bob admits he went too far in one direction then regroups to revisit the reval as "badly flawed"; well, it wasn't flawed enough for a court to overturn it, so maybe "flawed" or "somewhat flawed" could be better. And it wasn't the numbers that were flawed, but the communications and timing of communications. And I'll agree with you on that.
Art makes an intentional misreading of an honest person's words (Jerry Ryan's) and goes on to redirect his initial claim of "illegal" to "wasn't perfectly appropriate." Why not start with that phrase isntead of lobbing an obvious falsehood?
I think posters here also have to be responsible for their words. It can't simply be civic volunteers who run for office. It's time for everyone to do a reality check.
I also don't find Fred stuffy and self-important - at least not any more than any other office holder. I think he's a good person at heart stuck in a bad system. |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15135
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 7:17 pm: |
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But KOA, why do you believe that both sides aren't equally stinky? |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 11768
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 7:24 pm: |
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Dave, the creative part was in the end the TC managed to bond a current expense, not a capital improvement. This is "creative" by any stretch of the imagination.
By avoiding issues and being creative about financing the TC at that time basically pulled a Christy Todd Whitman. The results were similar. The next administration had to bite the bullet.
Dave, even the judge who dismissed the suit called the reval flawed and that seems to be the case as we are now approaching a CD of 15 after less than six years. By way of camparison it took the CD over 15 years to get to that point after the prior reval.
Again, other than the fact they are the Essex County Democrats, how are they hurting Maplewood and are there any benefits? Dave, you haven't answered that one.
I am really trying to disengage from Maplewood in general and Maplewood politics specifically, so I am out of this thread, unless somebody accuses me of running when faced with overwhelming logic, which I don't think is the case.  |
Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1941
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 7:35 pm: |
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Dave -
Quote:I also don't find Fred stuffy and self-important - at least not any more than any other office holder. I think he's a good person at heart stuck in a bad system
Said it better then I could.
I've worked alongside Fred, enjoyed his company and conversation, and admired what he's brought to the TC table.
If I sound crabby, it's my profound disappointment in witnessing a good and potentially great local politician getting down in the dirt with miniscule control issues.
David Huemer is well-liked by a majority of voters. I've had my run-ins with David. We've disagreed privately and publicly, but he is the voters' choice.
Do I think Huemer would be a good mayor? Maybe some day, but not yet.
Fred was/is a good mayor, but his obsession with Huemer and micro-managing has distracted him from governing our town.
I know I keep bringing this up, but the referendum that resulted in a slush fund that K & K call a "trust fund" was really deceitful.
Also the hand-delivered flyer about "removing" Profeta for Mayor next year. A few days before the election I asked Ken Pettis and he said it was "semantics" - the flyer was sent out to demonstrate that "the other side" was closed minded.
OK, I'm the dummy.
But at the victory party I heard from many people that Ken told his supporters that "Huemer will never be Mayor under [my] watch"
So who's the closed-minded one?
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anon
Supporter
Username: Anon
Post Number: 2762
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 9:16 pm: |
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Fascinating thread. |
Fruitcake
Citizen
Username: Fruitcake
Post Number: 303
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 9:50 pm: |
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Lydia,
If you were in Ken's shoes after this campiagn, would you support Huemer for mayor? |
TomR
Citizen
Username: Tomr
Post Number: 1150
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 9:52 pm: |
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Lydia,
I yap about nothing.
Thank you for your service as a district leader. I don't care much for partisian politics, but somebody has to do it, I guess.
Its good that you supported Mayor Profeta when you thought it was the right thing to do. A good citizen should support the candidates the citizen believes will do a better job than the other candidates.
In a nutshell, I'm glad you can walk.
As for your reading comprehension abilities, I've told you that I don't play the bashing game, and find it particularly pointless after the election is over.
For some reason you're just not getting it.
You remind me in this respect of a character described in a West Wing episode. Something about somebody like Ken Kesey's nurse Rached, chain smoking Parliaments, wearing a moomoo imposing order amongst the chaos of the internet.
If you feel compelled to address me again on this topic, please do not misunderstand my lack of a response for an inability to do so.
I'm just ignoring you.
May tomorrow, and all of your tomorrows, be just the days that you deserve.
TomR |
Andrew Zorn
Citizen
Username: Andrewzorn
Post Number: 202
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, June 8, 2006 - 10:26 pm: |
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But Anon,
I gotta have more cowbell!
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Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1944
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 7:43 am: |
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TomR,
Quote:If you feel compelled to address me again on this topic, please do not misunderstand my lack of a response for an inability to do so.
I'm just ignoring you.
Please, please, pleeeease - ignore away, un-engage, just do it and stop telling me how my day should run - OK?
Fruitcake,
Quote:If you were in Ken's shoes after this campiagn, would you support Huemer for mayor?
If I were in Ken's shoes today? I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. Partly because I would be beholden to the voters and not my own hurt/angry feelings.
Partly because I would look at the slim margin of victory and not want to see all those Adams/Powder votes to go to a shiny new challenger who doesn't have to shake off the stink of this primary election.
So that's what I'd do if I were Ken Pettis fruitcake.
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Joan
Supporter
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 7575
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 11:00 am: |
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Regarding comparative voting figures:
Are the percentages of voters in the above charts based on total number of registered voters in Maplewood or total number of registered Democrats in Maplewood? I would assume that the majority of unaffiliated voters would not have wanted to declare party affiliation just to vote in the primary and the majority of Republicans would not have voted because their candidate was running unopposed.
Does anyone have figures to show how the number of registered Democrats in town has changed during the past several years? If so, does this figure help to explain why some of the primary voting figures are lower this year? |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5178
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 12:13 pm: |
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"If I were in Ken's shoes today? I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. Partly because I would be beholden to the voters and not my own hurt/angry feelings." Really? You would just suck it up and make nice?
I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members. I'd suck it up and make nice with my fellow TC members.....
Well, if I was Ken Pettis I wouldn't have any reason for hurt/angry feelings, and if there was any sucking going on it sure wouldn't be coming from me!
You can bet I'd tell Mr. Huemer and his side-kick to kiss me where the sun don't shine, and then continue as before to work my tail off for "all" Maplewood residents, especially the ones I'm beholding to for re-electing me. |
Aquaman
Supporter
Username: Aquaman
Post Number: 946
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 12:18 pm: |
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Art,
I am starting to like your style, palomino. |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5180
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 12:39 pm: |
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...thanks, does this mean you're ready to come out of the muck and we can be friends again? |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5684
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 12:40 pm: |
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Art,
I thought elected officials should be beholden to their entire constituency, not just the ones who voted for them or backed them in some manner. Being beholden to the ones who elected you or re-elected you seems to be a possible path towards corruption and patronage. So are you saying supporters should get preferential treatment? |
Candlemaker
Citizen
Username: Candlemaker
Post Number: 10
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 12:45 pm: |
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It is amazing to me that Art has not brought up his B&B ordinance that is being passed on June 20th courtesy of Ken, Kathy and Fred. It is in the NewsRecord.
For that matter - why is he so quiet about it?
But yes- supporters obviously get preferential treatment.
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Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 651
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 12:47 pm: |
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Sounds like a cage match in the making here. |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5181
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 12:50 pm: |
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"So are you saying supporters should get preferential treatment?"
...yes I am! Anyone who bites the hand that feeds them shouldn't get preferential treatment. Maybe Lydia can suck up to people who •••• all over her, but not me! BTW, I suggest you re-read my post again where I said....
"and then continue as before to work my tail off for "all" Maplewood residents,..." |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5182
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 1:00 pm: |
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"It is amazing to me that Art has not brought up his B&B ordinance that is being passed on June 20th courtesy of Ken, Kathy and Fred."
Go for it Candlemaker, burn youself out... FWIW, the ordinance has little too nothing to do with me, and everything to do with providing Maplewood residents with some much needed services for family and friends visiting one of the soon to be BETTER THAN BEST places to live in America. (No thanks to Vic or David on this one though!)
BTW, Ajc is NEVER quiet about anything that gets his interest or attention... |
Lydia
Supporter
Username: Lydial
Post Number: 1945
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 1:01 pm: |
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Um, Art, there's a difference between "suck it up" and "sucking up" - suck it up means to get ahold of yerself - act like an adult and all that good stuff.
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ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5183
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 1:05 pm: |
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...excuse me Lydia, maybe you can explain "sucker" while you're at it? |
mem
Citizen
Username: Mem
Post Number: 6292
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, June 9, 2006 - 4:27 pm: |
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"Ms. Marzano that hits quite a few topics, Ms. Marzano says: "On another issue, are we doing any creative financing with monies that are to be designated to the town pool?"
Dave, People still wonder about that pool money, but to bring it up again like that sure makes Jerry look bad.
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