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JJJJJJJJJJJJ
Citizen
Username: Jjjjjjjjjjj
Post Number: 42
Registered: 6-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 4:12 pm: | 
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best threjjjjad everjjj
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ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5278
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 5:09 pm: |
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"...as you continue to treat others with disrespect I will continue to treat you the same way."
It's amusing how a kid like you wants to be judge, jury, and executioner.
Wait a minute, let me try and help you out kid... You see, you're too young and too dumb to know anything about old sayings. It’s not “do onto others”, it’s “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
It’s a command based on words of Jesus from the Sermon on the Mount, and is often referred to as the Golden Rule. The Mosaic Law contains a parallel commandment: “Whatever is hurtful to you, do not do to any other person.” I think that's the rule you should be following kid...
So listen, before you make anymore of a fool of yourself, why don’t you turn off your computer, go back to school, and stop trying to play God... |
Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1773
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 6:17 pm: |
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Hahaha.
That's right, I am "trying to play God" because I think you are being an •••, and I called you out on it.
Mr. geriatric, maybe the years have been too harsh on your mind and you have forgotten what it means to be a good person. Maybe it is you who should go back to school to relearn the basics of society which have fallen through the ever widening holes in your mind. Maybe you did too many drugs as a child, or maybe you just weren't too bright to begin with. I don't know and I don't really care what series of events turned you into the wicked person you are. But as I said, maybe it is not too late for you to gain some decency. The best of luck to you.
Scully, sorry to bother you with the age thing again. If Art wants to hold it against me that I am under 30 than I will hold it against him that he is over 60. It just seems fair.
So listen, before you make anymore of a fool of yourself, why don’t you turn off your computer, go back to school, and stop being such an *sshole... |
Tea Kettle
Citizen
Username: Teacup
Post Number: 1
Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 9:07 pm: |
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AJC, I would be careful of what I post online if I was trying to get a business going. Many people are comfortable looking for accomdations online. Negative information, posted by the innkeeper no less, would be a big turnoff.
You claim there is dog poop on the property. Who'd want bed, breakfast and poop on their shoes?
In looking back on archives, you have written about other things that reflect negatives on your business, other than poop and neighborhood conlfict. I would be turned off by noise from a community pool, being located next to a large retirement development, possible midnight sleep disruptions from an ambulance squad. Surely, these things can happen near any hotel, but I doubt you'll find business owners listing them on the internet of any savvy would-be customer to read.
I'm also confused on how one goes from threatening (yes, threatening) lines such as: "Your appearance at the meeting on Wednesday night was the last straw!!!"
to endearing sentences such as:
"your big wave and warm smile this morning made my day"
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Candlemaker
Citizen
Username: Candlemaker
Post Number: 11
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 9:38 pm: |
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Art has lived in that house for like 60 years- and not one neighbor speaks to him or ever showed up at Town Hall or said anything nice about him in any way.The bogus lie about the house being a rooming house, inn speaks volumes about a guy who steals cars for a living and deals in a cash only business.
He lost every legal move he had - so he calls on King Fred for help.
No one is even discussing about the legality/morality of a Township Committee enacting an ordinanace so one illegal owner- political and high school friend can operate a business in a residental area.
Well Art wins and the Township loses. Art can do whatever he wants- after all
he can have as many people in his house as he wants- he is a B&B for 4 rooms and private for 6 rooms. He can rent his house out for any party any time day or night. He can be B&B one week and private the next. No one can do anything to him - no enforcement at all. It is all talk.
Congratulations Art! Why not be gracious to the losers and just let it go.
Oh I forgot- that is not your personality. After all- you are doing this not for the money - but for the people who run inns 24/7.
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Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5604
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 9:41 pm: |
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Jazzme
Check your email. I just sent you the article from the original post. If anyone can figure out how to upload it to MOL, please do. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5605
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 9:56 pm: |
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Cheesy-
The article you posted the link for isn't the same one. |
Mayor McCheese
Supporter
Username: Mayor_mccheese
Post Number: 1774
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 11:09 pm: |
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Sorry JTA, it was all I could find. If you want to send me the article I will see what I can do about posting it on here.
Well, others seem to be stepping in here and anything else I say will just have me repeating myself. I'm jumping out of this thread. Art, go ahead and take your parting shot, I know you will, it's in your nature.
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ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5279
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Monday, July 10, 2006 - 11:19 pm: |
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Welcome Ms. Tea Kettle. You're just what we needed to go with the Candles, Wise Cracks, and Cheese.
Being this is your first post, let me give you some good advice. I would be very careful of what you say online, someone may be listening. And, if you're trying to attract attention for your talent as a "Nursery Rhyme Writer", I also wouldn't align myself with any freelance writers who like to throw rocks at people. I'm pretty sure parents with young children would find that to be a big turnoff.
After reading between the lines of your comments I can see how you’re confused. First of all a friendly warning to someone’s face is NOT a threat. (yes, warning) It was my experience to find that neighbors sneaking around with town officials behind another neighbor’s back is much worst. And FWIW, a public acknowledgment to a neighbor like, “Your big wave and warm smile this morning made my day" is being authentic and friendly. Hopefully the overture of friendship will be returned.
FWIW, in case anyone is interested in staying at a beautiful old historic B&B, our neighborhood is now poop free, and any commercial vehicles are also out of sight and out of mind for now. Not a bad days work for a one minute face to face conversation.
BTW, the best part is I never had to file a complaint. See, it's so much nicer when neighbors can work things out among themselves... 
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Tea Kettle
Citizen
Username: Teacup
Post Number: 3
Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 7:52 am: |
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You seemed to miss the point. Have you considered the possible impact of stating such information publicly where anyone can come across easily by entering string of terms regarding your b&b? Coming across any of this negative information would be a turn off. A would be customer would just say forget it, and not bother to read the endless amount of information regarding this issue. One negative fact is enough. No reason for them to invest their time finding a conclusion or fully researching the issue. I was seeking your thoughts.
I was hoping that you were listening. My job title was supposed to be whimsy, not seriousness. Possibly funny. No interpretive reading between the lines needed.
I was not throwing rocks. I was asking questions as to whether you considered how detailing this situation in a public forum that is searchable by someone in Katonah looking for accomdation in the area. They don't know who is right or who is wrong and Sommerset Suites doesn't seem to have all these problems/ |
mjh
Supporter
Username: Mjh
Post Number: 663
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 8:27 am: |
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I was wondering who would be the stronger/better guy and willingly back out of this thread.
Congratulations Mayor!
(and this means I win $5) |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5281
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 1:53 pm: |
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...no Tea Kettle, I didn't miss the point, you did.
As you said in your first post, you looked back at the archives and saw where I had written about things that reflected on the negatives of my business... I see you’re the kind of person that will see the glass half empty, not half full. How about all the positive stuff written?
FWIW, there are two sides to most issues in life, then there are an unlimited number of other points of view... Go back to the archives and check the flow.
1. I started the thread with a positive point of view.
2. Dave’s point of view was the software was flawed.
3. Cheese Head’s point of view is that I’m flawed.
And so the drift goes…some people in favor and some people opposed, so who really cares anyway? What do you really care about? Me? You? Guests? Neighbors? What’s your game pal?
FWIW, I can tell you for a fact that most guests coming to a local B&B could care less about the innkeeper’s politics, much less a bunch of NIMBY’s crying about quality of life issues with no consideration whatsoever for anyone else but themselves. Guests are only interested in whether the place is close by, if it’s clean, and is it reasonably priced. Most guests don’t drive, they don’t eat breakfast, want to be picked up between 8 and 9 AM, and returned back by 10 or 11PM…. end of story.
The majority of all guests are family and friends of local residents, or they are looking to become local residents themselves. I’ve never had a guest in all these years that came to Maplewood or South Orange for a vacation. The concerns about strangers walking around our neighborhood are ridiculous. The caliber of B&B guests is based solely on the caliber of our local residents. Good residents, good guests, it’s just that simple.
Let me say this about the people who don’t want to stay here. I can absolutely guarantee you I wouldn’t allow them to stay here anyway. I only accept the most friendly and considerate people in the world. The sign on my front door says, NO SMOKING – NO NOISE – and NO NIMBY’s allowed...
BTW, not so fast in collecting your bet Mjh. First of all the Cheese Head is not stronger, not better, and trust me, he won't back out of this thread until I say he can! |
Tea Kettle
Citizen
Username: Teacup
Post Number: 4
Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 2:14 pm: |
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AJC - I am not sure how to make my question / thoughts clearer. I am trying to engage, not enrage.
What effect do you think your posting has on your business? Maybe people want to rally around since the situation is, from your posts, me versus the opposition / neighbors? Maybe they would be turned off by some of the information? What do you think? Not politics but about dog poop, pool noise, neighborhood turmoil? Especially since you don’t get in a huge crowd from Katonah, locals would probably be even more aware of some of these issues, none of which are true for Sommerset Suites.
The information is mixed, but negative information is enough to sway someone. There are probably tons of sayings about bad apples or glasses of water that illustrate how one bad opinion may drive away business. This is what I was getting at.
BTW – Could you help me in clarifying some of your acronyms? Specifically: FWIW and NIMBY. I think I’m behind on my internet message board acronyms.
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ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5283
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 3:37 pm: |
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Dear Tea Bag,
I am not sure how to make my question/thoughts clearer.
REPLY: I noticed! You’re doing a pretty lousy job so far, and don't take my dry sense of humor too personal. I'm sure you're not some old dryed up Tea Bag, but a pretty hot number in your Deacup... 
I am trying to engage, not enrage.
REPLY: Really? Not from my point of view.
What effect do you think your posting has on your business?
REPLY: It’s good for business, actually it’s great. The more publicity I get, the better I like it. Local people come up to me everyday in support. The newspaper articles are the best. I’ve received tons of e-mails and calls of support from people all over the country.
Maybe people want to rally around since the situation is, from your posts, me versus the opposition/neighbors?
REPLY: Most smart people mind their own business and rightly so. They stay the hell out of this kind of silly stuff. I’m in it because it’s good for business and the great majority of people everywhere support the idea of B&B’s in a community.
Maybe they would be turned off by some of the information?
REPLY: Maybe, but I know I can’t please everyone. No one can…
What do you think? Not politics but about dog poop, pool noise, neighborhood turmoil?
REPLY: I don’t have a dog or poop, there is no noise to worry about, and I know how to deal with my neighbors if and when I need to.
Especially since you don’t get in a huge crowd from Katonah, locals would probably be even more aware of some of these issues, none of which are true for Somerset Suites.
REPLY: A B&B is only about local accommodations for local people. As I said before, the thousands of guests who have stayed in the past don’t care about politics or other hotels and motels. There is enough business in this area to support a dozen B&B’s, and in time we’ll have that many and more in the surrounding communities. Trust me, once Maplewood gets it right, every town around us will get in on the act.
The information is mixed, but negative information is enough to sway someone.
REPLY: Really, why do you care? What’s your horse in race?
There are probably tons of sayings about bad apples or glasses of water that illustrate how one bad opinion may drive away business.
REPLY: Yea, so what?
This is what I was getting at.
REPLY: I don’t think so.
BTW, could you help me in clarifying some of your acronyms?
REPLY: Sure, I’m always willing to help out a damsel in distress… FWIW- For What It’s Worth. NIMBY- Not In My Back Yard
Listen, give me a call and come over some morning for pancakes. I’d be happy to show you around the old place...
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kenney
Citizen
Username: Kenney
Post Number: 798
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 5:15 pm: |
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054215/
I don't want to hurt your business, but when i think of your B&B... |
marion cobretti
Citizen
Username: Marion_cobretti
Post Number: 156
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 5:27 pm: |
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when i think of your b&b i want to put a screen over your face and whip s**t at it. |
Scully
Citizen
Username: Scully
Post Number: 732
Registered: 8-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 5:58 pm: |
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Tea Kettle:
'I would be turned off by noise from a community pool, being located next to a large retirement development, possible midnight sleep disruptions from an ambulance squad.'
Looking at it another way, this is the 'residential' neighborhood that people seem to think four added cars a day would overrun...
BTW (by the way) welcome to MOL! Are you new to the area or just new to the board? |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5284
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 6:39 pm: |
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Thanks Kenny, sometimes it kind of reminds me of that movie too. I always lock the bathroom door when taking a shower. Marion, I sure hope you're not from Maplewood. That comment was pretty gross... |
marion cobretti
Citizen
Username: Marion_cobretti
Post Number: 159
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 7:12 pm: |
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i hail from perth amboy and used to work on the driscoll bridge collecting discarded bottle caps for charity. i still don't like your motel. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5619
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 9:32 pm: |
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Art-
Take a deep breath. Relax. I'm pretty sure the teapot means well. She does have a point. The same one I've been trying to get you to see. Please think about those who do not know the history who might do a search for Bed and Breakfast's in the area. Yours will come up, along with some of the negative posts. This might cause people to think twice about staying there.
A bit a friendly advice from someone who supports your effort, let it go. You will get your bed and breakfast. I'd rather see you put your energy into something more enjoyable then trying to defend yourself against these clowns. The more you try to defend yourself, the worse you look. The reason being is how sneaky they are in what they do.
I can't remember if any of them have actually even admitted online or anywhere to doing the things you've said they've done. (though I don't doubt the have done them). Lay low, like they do. If you get the code enforcement officers after them, good for you. But don't post about it on MOL.
I think some of the regulations they want you to follow are plain silly. If the town expects you to follow them; then so should all or your neighbors.
I'm sure you've answered this before but; until all of this started, haven't you always had some kind of bread and breakfast? If so, have the guests ever caused any kind of trouble? What brought on the 'problems?' |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 5620
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 9:34 pm: |
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Cheesy-
No need to apologize. I couldn't even find it online. I can't send it to anyone without a direct email as I can't send an attachment through MOL. Thanks thogh. |
Tea Kettle
Citizen
Username: Teacup
Post Number: 5
Registered: 7-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 9:44 pm: |
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Just the Aunt - that was pretty much what i was trying to say. I am not a neighbor. i was just trying to get ajc to consider a point.
Kenny - Point taken and thanks for the welcome. I'm new to MOL. I lived in Maplewood for a long time, but not for many years. I still feel strong ties to the area.
AJC - I am not sure how "the thousands of guests who have stayed in the past" are possible when only an ordinance was just passed . Again, putting it out there can't be good for business. |
Matt Foley
Citizen
Username: Mattfoley
Post Number: 725
Registered: 6-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:00 pm: |
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Whipping Sh**t is pretty serious. How about just pitching a handful of gravel near /around/close to the offending B&B. |
marion cobretti
Citizen
Username: Marion_cobretti
Post Number: 161
Registered: 1-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:09 pm: |
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is it possible to make a bird's nest on art's murkin wig. ...................................................i will never get over macho grande soylent green is made out of trusteeeeeeees!!! TRUSTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS S!!!!!
your all sheep |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5285
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:14 pm: |
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Dave, I know you're out here somewhere, can you give us a heads up on this issue from JTA and Teacup?
When anyone does a search on B&B's what the chances of this thread coming up? I say slim to none. What say you? |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15276
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:16 pm: |
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If someone uses google and plugs in B&B and Maplewood, this thread is going to be right near the top of the results. |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5286
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:23 pm: |
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I can see if they google sick ••• posters and plug in Maplewood, but B&B's? I'm going to try it and see... |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15277
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:28 pm: |
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I think I'm going to start a thread called "The Classiest B&B in Maplewood: Les Condiments "
As most of you know, Les Condiments is a full service B&B that is proud to hold large events like weddings, bar mitzvahs, and interventions (when required). Lincoln even slept at Les Condiments.
Ernie Lincoln. |
Factvsfiction
Citizen
Username: Factvsfiction
Post Number: 960
Registered: 4-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:49 pm: |
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Ajc-
There is such a thing as a gracious winner.
You need to step away from the computer a bit. |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5287
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:52 pm: |
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FWIW, when I did sick ••• posters Maplewood, NJ I got some interesting stuff. WOW, some of our local kids are nuts... When I did B&B's Maplewood I got the Star Ledger article, but in both cases no MOL.
BTW "S", Lincoln may have slept at your B&B, but he is sleeping at my B&B tonight... |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5853
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 - 11:57 pm: |
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Hot Rod Lincoln? |
sbenois
Supporter
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 15281
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 12:01 am: |
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Arturo put the Ford's Theatre sign up again. Every time he puts it up, Lincoln shows up and insists on sitting in the balcony.
It's sick. |
Hank Zona
Supporter
Username: Hankzona
Post Number: 5856
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 12:03 am: |
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at least it's close to the EMS headquarters. |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5288
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 12:12 am: |
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FVF-
There is such a thing as a gracious loser either, and the truth is we all would do well to step away from the computer a bit...
Listen, anyone making a real judgment call on B&B's or the posters on this thread is not playing with a full deck. I can't get myself to take very much of this stuff seriously. The back and forth is nothing more than another Soap Opera like “The Days of Our Life”, or similar Soap…
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ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5289
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 12:20 am: |
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Sorry guys, I've got to get off the computer now. Abe's wife wants me to make some pop corn for the President to bring to the Ford Theater tomorrow night... |
The Dub
Citizen
Username: Hill_16
Post Number: 31
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 7:29 pm: |
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ajc - glad to see the ordinance was passed - whatever about B&B's having staying power, this thread certainly does.... |
Smarty Jones
Citizen
Username: Birdstone
Post Number: 927
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 12:43 pm: |
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What on earth is the reference to stolen cars in this thread regarding?
Art, will there be a website to your BB in the near future? |
ajc
Citizen
Username: Ajc
Post Number: 5290
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 1:14 pm: |
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Thanks Dub, B&B's do have staying power, in case you didn't notice so do I...
Smarty Jones, I'm in the repossession business for the past 46 years. When people try to steal a car from the finance company, I steal it back for them...
As for a web site, I'm not sure yet if I need one. What with all the newspaper and other online activity about the B&B, I think I have enough exposure. |
BGS
Supporter
Username: Bgs
Post Number: 1137
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 4:01 pm: |
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I just told friend of ours about your being "legal" for a christening that will be happening in September. They will have family coming in from out of town and Les Saisons will be a perfect place for the new grandparents to stay!
Ciao!
B |
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