| Author | Message | ||
     Cryberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7833 Registered: 10-2001 |
on Sept 11 at the train station?? | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5802 Registered: 10-1999  |
http://www.maplewoodonline.com/calendar/eventView.php?Event_ID=4801 During their meeting last night, the Township Committee discussed the program for the event. Each of the elected officials will be participating in various ways, and Mr. Huemer may be singing during the program at the Municipal Building. | ||
| Cryberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7834 Registered: 10-2001 |
I'm not sure we need to turn 9/11 into a "look at us on the TC event"..I think this is misguided. I would suggest we get some students from the High School to sing. That would be lovely and appreciated. | ||
| Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 8305 Registered: 5-2001 |
The Maplewood Glee Club if available would be an excellent addition to the program. | ||
| Cryberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7838 Registered: 10-2001 |
The Glee club works..Does anyone need to be reminded of the horrors of 9/11 by watching among other things, David H, a politician singing? I mean, let's use some common sense here folks. The Glee club is a wonderful idea. | ||
| sac Supporter Username: Sac Post Number: 3771 Registered: 5-2001 |
David Huemer is actually a very good singer. Why does being on the TC disqualify him from consideration for this duty if he might otherwise be selected for it? | ||
| Cryberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7845 Registered: 10-2001 |
It just is. Find someone else during election season. | ||
| steel Citizen Username: Steel Post Number: 1111 Registered: 2-2002 |
FYI: David is himself a member of the Glee club precisely because he has an excellent singing voice. -That is an excellent resource available to us for such purpose as official commemoration. I think it very fine that a politician would stand up and present himself in such a vulnerable way to pay tribute. If politicians can speak for us, surely they can sing for us with appropriate song on such an occasion where sometimes only music serves best. Given David's abilities in this regard, I have to say that I find any objection to his singing to be an odd displacement of resentments and completely apart from stated "common sense". | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 15694 Registered: 10-2001  |
I plan on signing along with him and anyone else who thinks that remembering 9/11 is far more important than analyzing the names of performers at our local memorial services. Sing extra loud Dave. | ||
| Cryberry Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7849 Registered: 10-2001 |
right, maybe it'll help him get a few more votes next time he runs. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 5455 Registered: 9-2001  |
"David is himself a member of the Glee club..." Steel, he is a good singer and I would love to see David back in the club again... especially if you and Sbenois would join in as well.  I'm also sure some of the members might be willing to join in the singing if asked... BTW, the first Glee Club meeting happens to also be this Monday night from 8PM to 10PM at the Dehart Center. Anyone else interested in joining the non-political group please come by any Monday night at 8PM... | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7869 Registered: 10-2001 |
Art, if you can get glee club members to join in that would be appreciated. This needs to be a non political event and my concern is after the politicians finish singing they'll start handing out Menendez bumper stickers. Anything you can do to protect the memory of 911 here in Maplewood is appreciated. Frankly, none of us should trust the current TC in this regard. ++EDIT++ I had written that Fred was not to be included in TC members not to trust but I am no longer excluding him. Afterall, he did speak at the moronic SOMA anti war rally. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5786 Registered: 5-2001 |
It's a civic memorial at town hall, and not only is it wholly appropriate for the town leadership to be present and participate, it would be wholly inappropriate for them not to be present and participate. This is as true for Maplewood as it is true for any town or city in the United States for any civic ceremony. Put your politics in your pocket, just for one day. Please. | ||
| Wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 3089 Registered: 5-2001 |
Couldn't have said it better; so I won't. | ||
| Fruitcake Citizen Username: Fruitcake Post Number: 316 Registered: 9-2003 |
You guys are harping on the wrong issue. What about the God part? Is it OK for public officials to be singing about God in public and asking his blessing? Next thing you know, they'll be allowing Christmas music in the public schools in December. | ||
| breal Citizen Username: Breal Post Number: 1012 Registered: 6-2002 |
It's a small town memorial service on the anniversary of an attack against the U.S. A local pol singing "God Bless America" does not seem inappropriate to me. Inevitable, more like. What's the problem? There is an open mike segment. Why don't you just sing your own song, Straw, rather than involve yourself in Huemer's contribution to the event. Or say a few words. You worked down there, right? | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7875 Registered: 10-2001 |
Why in the world would I want to say something about 911 at Maplewood's town hall? In this regard, should I complain about my property taxes at ground zero? | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5819 Registered: 10-1999 |
Well, suit yourself, nobody is forcing you to go. Other people feel differently about attending the event, and will be there. | ||
| Joe Citizen Username: Gonets Post Number: 1353 Registered: 2-2004 |
It's telling though that his first impulse is to complain. | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7876 Registered: 10-2001 |
I guess you never heard David sing before..  | ||
| breal Citizen Username: Breal Post Number: 1014 Registered: 6-2002 |
I wish you would come and say something. I like it when a regular person who was there talks. Or who lost someone who was there. I don't like reading about it and I don't like watching it on t.v. | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7877 Registered: 10-2001 |
Breal, Seems to me this event means a great deal to you. If that's the case I apologize if my comments have in anyway offended you. That said, my decision to oppose this event goes back to a time when our local politicians voted on a resolution to stop the Iraq war. That vote was irresponsible and frankly obnoxious. Local government officials need to focus on local, not national issues. That vote was done for political gain and sadly I do believe this Maplewood 9/11 event is once again playing to the crowds. I really see no reason why Maplewood needs to have a ceremony that includes an elected leader singing. If the township wants to do it right, I would suggest renting some buses in order to take residents to the site for a proper and respectful vigil. | ||
| Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 8325 Registered: 5-2001 |
Our town was profoundly affected by 9/11. Two of our residents died that day. Many, many of us lost close friends and relatives when the twin towers came down. Many more were in lower Manhattan that morning and saw the towers being hit with our own eyes, heard the rumble with our own ears as the towers fell, returned a week later when the area was reopenned to smell the fetid air and gaze in disbelief at the still smoldering rubble. In the week following 9/11 we came together as a community in a way I have seldom seen us come together before or since. Now we are reaching a milestone anniversary of the twin towers attack. Much as some of us would like to put what happened behind us, the media are playing the past up to such an extent that many of us are finding wounds of that day we thought were on the road to healing being reopenned. Many of us need to come together again to remember what happened that day and to seek comfort in one another. A town-sponsered ceremony is a wonderful way to encourage that to happen. Don't let the negative feelings expressed by some on this thread prevent you from going to the ceremony if you feel the need to do so. | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7878 Registered: 10-2001 |
"Much as some of us would like to put what happened behind us, the media are playing the past up to such an extent that many of us are finding wounds of that day we thought were on the road to healing being reopenned." holy ignorance. Joan somehow wants us to believe the media is making a bigger deal out of the 5 year mark than it should. And to think someone once called Joan the voice of reason. More like the voice of those who really don't get it. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5796 Registered: 5-2001 |
So you feel the media should make a big deal out of it; but real people in real communities affected in a real way should not. Such are the ways of the worldview you subscribe to. Citizens should simply shut up and watch what they're told to watch on TV. And if anyone disagrees they are either ignorant or a traitor. Joan, your post was wonderful. Keep the faith. | ||
| Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 8327 Registered: 5-2001 |
Strawberry: This is not so much a question of whether the media should be playing up the fifth anniversary of 9/11 as a consideration of the fact that they have and continue to do so. Being hit with the fifth anniversary of such a catastrophic event which so many of us experienced first hand and facing constant reminders of that event is not helping many of us cope with this anniversary. I don't know how your work place is dealing with the anniversary memorial. Mine is sending a delegation to serve in the honor guard for the ceremony, posting large screen televisions in public areas (conference rooms mostly) and encouraging staff to watch the ceremony together in groups (in large part for mutual support) and making counselors from our EAP available to speak with staff who are having a difficult time dealing with the 9/11 anniversary. Surely, there is nothing wrong (and a lot right) with the Township offering a single brief memorial ceremony where town residents and others so inclined can come together to provide mutual support. | ||
| Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 8328 Registered: 5-2001 |
For those interested, here is the official schedule for the 9/11 ceremony at Ground Zero. SEPTEMBER 11TH COMMEMORATION CEREMONY 8:40 AM Program begins Introduction of statewide moment of silence 8:46 AM Moment of silence (observance of time first plane struck North Tower) (Houses of worship will toll their bells throughout the City) Introduction of the reading of the names Spouses, partners and significant others begin reading of names in pairs o Each reader will read approximately 14 names o There will be approximately 100 pairs (200 readers) who will continue until all names are read o Families begin to descend ramp to the lowest level of the site at 8:47 AM. 9:03 AM Moment of silence (observance of time second plane struck South Tower) Reading of names continues/music resumes 9:59 AM Moment of silence (observance of time of fall of the South Tower) Reading of names continues/music resumes 10:29 AM Moment of silence (observance of time of fall of the North Tower) Reading of names continues/music resumes Reading of names concludes Taps performed by two trumpeters (NYPD and FDNY) Final music performance 12:30 PM Program concludes | ||
| Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 8329 Registered: 5-2001 |
Here are some tips provided by my employer's EAP: On the eve of the fifth anniversary of the World Trade Center attack, we New Yorkers find ourselves still coping with the events of September 11, 2001. The latest stories in the media speak of the ongoing medical consequences to many of us who worked in the aftermath of the event. New tapes have been aired; newly released films and television documentaries re-examine the attacks; the rebuilding continues and the war in Iraq rages on. More recent disasters, like the hurricanes in the gulf coast, remind us graphically of our own experience of disaster. It is natural to feel we are still in the midst of upheaval. The truth is that the process of recovery naturally takes time. Even without the constant reminders, many of us would still be working our way through the experiences of the attack. There is no time limit on a healthy recovery but effective coping mechanisms can speed the process and help us avoid obstacles to healing. With these facts in mind, the New York City Employee Assistance Program offers the following information and coping suggestions. WHAT CAN WE EXPECT? • Perhaps the most important thing to remember is that milestones are powerful. They can bring us back to the emotions of the moment in September, 2001 and awaken memories we didn’t know we had. • Another significant truth is that no two of us will experience this anniversary in exactly the same way. Some of us may experience anxiety, sadness and/or anger, while others find themselves dealing with numbness or guilt. Emotions connected to earlier losses and traumas may reoccur with greater force. • When we don’t expect them, emotions may make themselves felt indirectly. An increase in irritability, a change in sleep patterns, increased consumption of alcohol or drugs or physical symptoms like stomach upset, headache or muscle pain can all be indicators of emotional distress. HOW CAN WE COPE? • One rule that can be useful for everyone: It is helpful to look ahead and plan your response to 9/11/06! Simply ignoring the day won’t work. Too often, if we ignore a milestone, the emotions connected to it will take us by surprise. Take time to think about your preferred approach and plan it. • If it is normal to expect a wide range of possible reactions, it is also natural that there are many different effective ways to respond. For some it may be helpful to witness or participate in memorial ceremonies while others may need to get together with friends and colleagues to talk about their thoughts and feelings. Still others may want to avoid remembering on this day and would rather lose themselves in work or with family and friends. • There are no rules to perfect coping! What works for you may not work for the next person, so be tolerant and seek out those people who can support your method of coping. • Children may need extra help to cope with their feelings about 9/11. Watch for the signs of emotional distress in their behavior and ask them how they are feeling. Children need to be told the truth while being reassured that the adults are working hard to keep them safe. | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5822 Registered: 10-1999 |
Thanks for that, Joan. We'll all have different ways of observing the date next week, for different reasons. | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7881 Registered: 10-2001 |
Nice bounce back Joan. I was worried for a second that you were becoming a walking talking liberal duck. Good to see you have your true identity back. As far as the 9/11 event here in Maplewood goes, I don't have issue with any type of memorial as long as it's done respectfully. That means we keep the politics out of the event. That means the TC members avoid doing anything for attention. I think their participation should be nothing more than shaking hands and saying hello. That's it, no speeches, no comments about national policy and certainly no solo musical performances. I am also hopeful that my good friend Paul S.(Be About Peace) and the jerks from "SOMA we hate Democracy" not attend if they plan on bringing t-shirts, literature, or signs denouncing war or the President. This is not the place or time. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5804 Registered: 5-2001 |
OK, if you promise that Bush doesn't mention Iraq in his prime-time speech Monday night. Because if it's OK for your side to talk about the war, it's OK for our side to talk about it also. And also if Republican politicians like Bloomberg and Pataki refrain from giving speeches in New York on Monday, and especially commenting on national policy. As you pointed out earlier, they need to focus on local and state issue, respectively, and not on national ones. Because that would be disrespectful and inject politics into the event. They shouldn't do anything that might get attention. Come to think of it, that goes for Bush, too. | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7882 Registered: 10-2001 |
Foolish argument Tom. 1) Bush is President so 9/11 and Al Qaeda are things he needs to discuss. 2) Pataki and Bloomy has their city struck by terrorists on 9/11 and it remains a key target for terrorist groups. 3) Maplewood was not struck by terrorists and fighting terror has nothing to do with our elected TC.. (at least you're finally admitting Bloomberg is a Republican) | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 4201 Registered: 5-2001  |
Minor quibble with your #1), Huckleberry: It's ok for Bush to discuss 9/11 & Al Qaeda if he does so truthfully, as opposed to the usual line of •••••••• he's been spouting for 5 years. -s. | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7883 Registered: 10-2001 |
pointless. Bush has never lied about Al Qaeda. Go back to the South Orange thread and debate the morons over there. This is about Maplewood. | ||
| Nohero Supporter Username: Nohero Post Number: 5826 Registered: 10-1999 |
"Maplewood was not struck by terrorists ..." I believe that Joan provided an appropriate response already to that kind of an assertion, in her post above from last night - "Our town was profoundly affected by 9/11. Two of our residents died that day. Many, many of us lost close friends and relatives when the twin towers came down. Many more were in lower Manhattan that morning and saw the towers being hit with our own eyes, heard the rumble with our own ears as the towers fell, returned a week later when the area was reopenned to smell the fetid air and gaze in disbelief at the still smoldering rubble. In the week following 9/11 we came together as a community in a way I have seldom seen us come together before or since." | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7884 Registered: 10-2001 |
Bunch of b.s. Residents all over the tri-state area and Washington D.C. area died on 9/11. Of the 3000+ 2 were from Maplewood and they were 30 miles from home.. This has nothing to do with Maplewood, this is about America. As a result, Maplewood needs to respect the nation and all Americans on 9/11, not just the radical left wingers who sadly continue invading our town and our government. | ||
| Fruitcake Citizen Username: Fruitcake Post Number: 317 Registered: 9-2003 |
Invading? | ||
| anon Supporter Username: Anon Post Number: 3048 Registered: 6-2002 |
Why do you folks keep responding to him? He attacked Joan. Of all people. Not once has Joan ever had said a harsh word against anyone. She is always calm, rational, reasonable and fair. Until he sincerely apologizes (if he is capable of sincerity) he should be banned from MOL and shunned in Town. | ||
| Soda Supporter Username: Soda Post Number: 4204 Registered: 5-2001 |
"Bush has never lied about Al Qaeda."  http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/09/world/middleeast/09intel.html -s. | ||
| tom Citizen Username: Tom Post Number: 5808 Registered: 5-2001 |
Most of us are under the impression that the losses of 9/11 were human lives. You apparently see it as a real-estate question. Most of us are also under the impression that America as a whole was attacked that day. You only seem to be concerned with those Americans who took the precaution of electing Republican leaders. | ||
| Straw Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 7885 Registered: 10-2001 |
"until he sincerely apologizes (if he is capable of sincerity) he should be banned from MOL and shunned in Town." holy stupidity. | ||
| Joan Supporter Username: Joancrystal Post Number: 8362 Registered: 5-2001 |
I want to take this opportunity to thank the township for sponsoring and conducting a very moving and tasteful tribute to those who lost their lives and those who had their lives changed forever as a result of the events of 9/11/01. |
