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Dave Ross
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Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 9:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It's probably a compromise that doesn't thrill either side. The problem is this group is dishonest and the TC should realize that SMPA will misrepresent this petition for their own ends in press releases and mailings, the same way they misrepresented themselves to get signatures.
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Joan
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Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 9:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Would it be possible to post the precise wording of the adopted resolution on this thread so that those posting opinions here on can have a better chance of knowing what they are talking about?
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Joan
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Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 9:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Dave:

The TC amended the resolution before they adopted it. This is the TC's resolution. It may bear some significant resemblance to the wording proposed by SMPA but it is not an SMPA's resolution.

If the SPMA wants to adopt its own resolution and post it in their own mailings and press releases, that's fine. However, any reference made to the TC's resolution must take into account the actual wording of that resolution.

As several TC members pointed out in their individual statements after the general comments had concluded, the final statement adopted was NOT an anti-war resolution.

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Steven Brent
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Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 10:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If you are as unhappy as I about the true intent and tactics of the SMPA, and the outcome of the TC mtg, please see my Topic in this forum.

Hope I am not violating any rules by plugging my Topic in another thread :-)
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mck
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Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 10:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would like to see the exact wording of the resolution also. If my memory serves me well, there is no mention of SMPA. As Dave pointed out, the TC needs to direct that organization not to misrepresent the town's resolution for its own purposes in its mailings and marketing. In particular, the Maplewood resolution can not be added to the pile of "anti-war" resolutions referred to by SMPA, because it is not anti-war.
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Joan
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Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 11:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Paul was nice enough to post a version of the adopted rsolution in Soapbox. He admits that some of the wording may not be exact but the message is very clear.

Check it out.
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ajc
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Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 1:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Whereas,... (Pleeeease, what in the world is wrong with a formal address, to a formal document?)

Anyway, I believe it's worth mentioning at this point that most everyone in this thread has been stating that the TC did this, and the TC did that.... This was NOT the case at all!

First of all, after the township committee had their initial discussion on the petition, it failed 4 against, and only David in favor of it as presented. Vic and Jerry wanted changes if they were to sign on to any such TC resolution, and Fred and Ian were opposed to it. Only after the SMPA petition failed did David propose a resolution to replace it. That vote was 3 in favor of the TC resolution, and 2 opposed to it.

Therefore, when referring to the TC as a whole, and with regards to the end result of last nights WOMD, (War Of Meaningless Discussion.), it would be better for all concerned that we identify them as individuals rather then as just the TC.

Members of the committee must each stand accountable for their individual vote. It should have been clear to everyone present that each committeeman possessed a certain level of concern for his own constituency. This is what they were elected to do, and regardless of why, or how they voted, in my opinion they did that part well….

Ian was clearly in favor of the groups’ position, as was Fred. They both appeared to respectfully put their own personal feelings aside regarding the pending war. Fred was brilliant, incredibly prepared, and well thought out. For that matter, it was clearly evident the entire committee had all spent a great deal of time and effort on this matter. Truthfully, residents on both sides of the issue put them in a tough position.

IMHO, the most positive aspect of last nights debate was thank God they didn’t come up with this meaningless idea on their own.
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Joan
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Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 1:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Art:

I disagree. Whether the resolution as amended was adopted by a vote of 3-2 or 5-0, it was still adopted by a majority of the TC and will go out to our elected officials at the Federal level as being by the entire TC on behalf of the entire town.

If the resolution were being signed by Vic, Jerry, and David with Fred and Ian issuing a minority opinion as an accompanying document, you might have a point.
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Bananafish
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The resolution should be shredded immediately and apologies sent to every resident for this misuse of public time and money.
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mwsilva
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My Beloved Friends & Colleagues on the TC,

I would like to schedule formal time on the March 4th, agenda. I would like to make a public address and ask the TC to proclaim 7 AM every day a Maplewood pray for peace hour. The event is non-denominational. Who do I need to call or write to do this?

My sister and I have discussed my concerns for guidance and for the last few days, Spirit has been afire within me to be the catalyst for a year long "Pray 4 Peace" project. The process is simple. Everyday of this year at 7:00 a.m. do a non-denominational prayer for world peace. This is not a prayer against war or to do harm to any of our so-called enemies or to eradicate terrorism. This is a simple prayer for peace.

We all know the profound power of prayer as one of the most ancient technologies for healing, particular when done in a group consciousness with a single intention. Yet, during these present times I hear a lot of talk and dialogue, and a great deal of involvement in other activities, but the thing we do best and that works the most profoundest, prayer, we're not even maximizing.

My instructions from Spirit are very clear and simple. Everyday @ 7:00 a.m. I am to pray for peace. I am to invite everyone in my spiritual awareness universe to join me in participation. I am also to invite all of you to forward this message to everyone you know and to involve your friends, family, congregations, associations, clubs, groups in participating.

My intention is to build a powerful web, a strong world community network consciously praying everyday for peace. There is no grand kick-off and no big multi-media events. This is a simple word-of-mouth, beating-of-the-drums, grass-roots movement designed in it's simplicity to keep on gaining momentum throughout the year. The result of course will be our joint participation as a world community in uncovering the natural peace that is our very breath.

The 7:00 a.m. time is whatever is 7:00 a.m. in the particular time zone that you live in. This gives the prayer the effect of being a rolling prayer with powerful burst every hour on the hour. This also means that if for some strange reason you can't make the 7:00 a.m. time in your zone on occasion, you can simply tune in at any hour because it'll be 7:00 a.m. somewhere.

I started today. You or whoever you send to can join the train on the next 7:00 a.m. following your receipt or review of this message.

Thanks for being a part of this magically enchanting adventure. Together I have no doubt we'll reveal that peace that passes all human understanding, heal one another and our glorious planet, and reveal the kingdom of heaven here on earth now!

And so it will be, I set it free!
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imb4u
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Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 2:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I second that emotion.
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ajc
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Posted on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 3:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MWsilva, your last post was SPAM. You can be sure it will most likely be read at either location... Thanks.

Joan, I’m sorry but you’re wrong. I believe you missed my point. The continued reference to the TC as a whole doesn’t fairly represent the individuals we all vote for on the committee. No one votes for the TC, we vote for each member separately. When it comes time to vote again we should take into consideration their position on matters that concern us. I certainly do, and I would hope others do as well.

This thread is about a local matter of opinion, on a national issue of great concern to a large portion of our residents. Thanks, or no thanks to our TC, everyone was fairly given an opportunity to speak their mind.

This courtesy should be extended to those unable to attend the meeting, but interested in the outcome. Anyone who reads the resolution should recognize that it was not a unanimous vote, or it would say so. But more important, IMHO they also have a right to know the who’s, and the why’s of it all.

BTW, it was nice to see your support at the meeting last night. Best wishes….
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marie
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Just remember who said what and when, on this issue when you vote in Nov...
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marie
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Just remember who said what and when, on this issue when you vote in Nov...
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filmboy
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To ALL:

Does anyone know what the outcome was of
Item 2 of the discussion items.... Parameters for a Zoning Ordinance on Cell Tower Restrictions.

Thanks!

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grw
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Filmboy
Go to soapbox and see Jerry Ryan's response
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grw
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Today's Star Ledger Page 26
"Maplewood OK's resolution against war on Iraq"
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tourne
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Posted on Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 10:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

For the Maplewood council passing such a resolution, I and thousands of other thinking folks applaud their action which certainly falls within the realm of democracy and representation!!! Five hundred signatures is a lot of signatures!
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ajc
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Tourne.. you don't even have a clue. Five hundred signatures is NOT a lot of signatures! It's a joke, it's nothing.... You're talking about a war and you think 500 signatures is a big deal?

Even Joyce at Heavenly Scent Coffee at the train station got more than double that amount to save her Cafe last year!!!

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tourne
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ajc:

Being at risk of making this a Soapbox, I will just say that each signature on a petition is worth hundreds of unheard opinions in agreement. It is very difficult to obtain someones signature. The petition contained over 600 signatures and the Council realized what this meant.
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ajc
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You're right Tourne, this is not the Soapbox. I agree, it's obvious to everyone that the TC realized what the 600 signatures meant. They made their bed and now have to lay in it...

Listen friend, I also truly believe in my heart of hearts, that both sides of the issue are well intentioned. Others and myself are willing to bet our lives on our position, are you and yours?

I think both sides agree that God willing, it doesn’t come to that point.

Peace and good luck to you. Art.
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Ed May
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I keep coming back the basic issue:

The Town Council (however well meaning and good-hearted) blundered badly by entertaining, bastardizing, and appoving a foreign policy statement. Action numero uno at the next TC Meeting should be (in my humble opinion) to "go to the instant replay" and reverse the call. Just need Jerry and/or Vic and/or David to see the light. Ian and Fred "are you listening?"
Ed May
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Dave Ross
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quote:


This time around, council's resolution supports possible war

Members first opposed military action in Iraq


Thursday, February 20, 2003


By Jason Fink
Journal staff writer


Three weeks after passing a resolution opposing a possible war with Iraq, the Jersey City Council approved a resolution supporting a possible war with Iraq.

In a bizarre turn of events, the same council that voted 7-1 on Jan. 22 to approve a resolution stating its opposition to "any military strikes or acts of war" against Iraq unless the United States was directly attacked by the Persian Gulf nation, voted 5-2 with one abstention for a resolution supporting "whatever action is deemed necessary" by the federal government to disarm Saddam Hussein.

The vote came after a period of heavy criticism from some who accused the council of stifling the voices of those who support military action during debate over the antiwar resolution. .....



http://www.nj.com/waterfrontjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1045739659313830.xml
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Dave Ross
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Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 2:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:


Anti-war resolution removed by council

Friday, February 21, 2003


By Julia Scott

HOBOKEN - The city council yanked an anti-war resolution from its agenda this week, winning applause from dozens of veterans who had come out to blast the idea.

Saying such a resolution on a national issue was inappropriate for a municipal council, Council President Ruben Ramos removed it during Wednesday night's meeting.

Councilman Anthony Soares, who had sponsored the resolution, was absent because he is on vacation.


The resolution, copied from a Jersey City council resolution that was passed last month but later rescinded, had said America should not go to war against Iraq "unless it is a response to a direct military attack by Iraq upon United States soil."

"The resolution is weak," Councilman Richard Del Boccio told the crowd.

Councilman Michael Cricco went even further, calling it "a piece of garbage."



http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/hoboken/index.ssf?/base/news-0/104582589513070.x ml
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Dave Ross
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Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 2:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)


quote:

Mayor, City Hall report widespread opposition

by Tom Coombe February 22, 2003

Word of Ely's groundbreaking vote - the community was the first in Minnesota to pass an anti-war resolution - spread quickly through daily newspaper reports, local television coverage and old fashioned word-of-mouth, putting council members in a firestorm of controversy.
Public reaction was swift - and overwhelmingly negative - to Tuesday's city council resolution opposing a pre-emptive war against Iraq.

Word of Ely's groundbreaking vote - the community was the first in Minnesota to pass an anti-war resolution - spread quickly through daily newspaper reports, local television coverage and old fashioned word-of-mouth, putting council members in a firestorm of controversy.

Mayor Frank Salerno said Thursday that he has taken over 100 phone calls - all from people opposed to the council resolution.

"(Tuesday night) I didn't get any sleep, there were so many calls," said Salerno. "I'll be up front with you. I haven't gotten one call yet in favor. Every one I've gotten has been opposed."

City Hall, meanwhile, has been bombarded with calls both from media outlets around the country and from angry citizens.

"I would say 95 percent are appalled," said Patti Wellvang, Ely's deputy clerk. "I'm just being the conduit and passing the messages on to the council's mailboxes. I would say between phone calls and people stopping in there have been about 100."

Calls for a special meeting to rescind the vote have gone unheeded - at least for now - but it's likely the issue will be raised Tuesday, when the council holds its regular study session (5:30 p.m.) at City Hall.

Opponents of the resolution are organizing and say they'll be out in full force.

One of them is Elyite John Chelesnik, who has promised to "do what it takes" to get the council to rescind its vote.

Chelesnik said Friday that the council stepped beyond its mission by offering an opinion on national affairs.

"It isn't a question of whether you're pro-war or anti-war," said Chelesnik. "The question is that this has nothing to do with city business. In my opinion, the city council in passing that resolution, states that the people of the city of Ely are anti-war. I think that's a stretch.

"If it can't be rescinded, as I see it somebody has to validate what that resolution represents. Whether it's a petition or something else. I think if you went out and polled the city of Ely and asked whether the council should have acted, I think 90 percent would have said no."

The vote also ruffled some feathers in Ely's veterans community.

Jim Schepers is commander of Ely American Legion Post 248 and a veteran of the Vietnam conflict. His oldest son is in the military and could be part of U.S. action in the Middle East.

According to Schepers, the council vote and the protests of those opposed to war play into the hands of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

"The way things are now, I believe that everybody should back our country and back the president because this Saddam Hussein is an evil person," said Schepers. "People have every right to feel the way they do. That's our American right, but they don't realize how they're putting our servicemen in danger. This can divide our country and that isn't going to be a positive."



http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1111&dept_id=157063&newsid=7141821&PAG=46 1&rfi=9
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Paul Surovell
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Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 3:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Art,

Joyce collected about 2,000 signatures on petitions that were displayed on her counter, five days a week, over a period of in excess of two weeks. The room was warm, the signers were happy customers of a person with whom most had established a personal relationship.

The SMPA-initiated petition against war on Iraq without UN Security Council approval was circulated on two days in front of Kings and the Post Office, in frigid, windy weather that was below 20 degrees for the most part.

About 90% of our signatures were obtained in this way. The remaining signatures were obtained in Winchester Gardens and several churches.

Another difference is that for the most part, we did not accept signatures from South Orange, Millburn or other towns. However, about 94 slipped through (there was a total of 705 signatures when other towns were included).

Joyce's petitions included people from other towns who were traveling from the Maplewood train station.

So, if you consider that 611 signatures (or 705) were collected in a very short period of time, under extremely adverse conditions, and compare them to the 2,000 collected by Joyce under far more favorable conditions over a much longer period of time, the number on our signatures is very significant, and fully reflects the opinion polls which show a strong majority favors the terms of the petition and the TC resolution.

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johnny
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I heard that over 100 signatures were from Winchester Gardens (said during public commentary at the meeting by one of the pro-resolution speakers). That would be about 16% of the total signatures.
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Dave Ross
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http://www.starnewspapers.com/star/spnews/news/27-sp1.htm


quote:

Park Forest trustee quits after anti-war vote by board




Thursday, February 27, 2003







By Erika Enigk
The Star

The Park Forest Village Board may now be on record as opposing war, but the relationships between some board members are anything but peaceful.

One village trustee resigned Monday after his fellow village board members supported a resolution denouncing a possible war in Iraq.

Trustee Ron Wilson resigned from the board after trustees voted 4-3 in favor of the resolution.

Wilson, a member of the Army Reserves, had said he "vehemently opposed" the resolution because it is not the village board's place to tell the federal government whether to go to war or not.

Wilson did more than just respond with words. He also voted with his feet, leaving the building after the vote and ignoring the calls of other board members.

Wilson could not be reached for further comment on Tuesday or Wednesday morning.

Village President John Ostenburg said Wednesday the verbal resignation is valid, but he would reappoint Wilson if he wanted to rejoin the board.

Trustees and Ostenburg had weighed in on the resolution before voting.

Initially, three of the board members said they had decided to vote for the resolution, while four indicated they had elected to vote against it.

When the vote took place, Trustee Bonita Dillard changed her position and voted to support the measure, resulting in its passage.

Dillard had said most residents who contacted her about the resolution were against it, and she would not support it because she wanted to represent the residents.

She later said she changed her mind after listening to the comments of others and thinking about the people who would be going into battle.

Dillard was not the only board member who changed sides on the issue.

Trustee Kenneth Kramer, who last week spoke in favor of the resolution when it was first brought before the board, on Monday voted against it.

Trustee Harold Brown said last week he would abstain from voting because he did not believe it was his place as a local elected official to comment on national issues that did not "directly affect" the village. He told the board Monday that he would vote against the resolution.

"I was originally going to abstain on the vote, but I decided that it would not accomplish what I was objecting to," he said. "I am voting 'no' to the acceptance of the resolution because I honestly do not believe we should be here discussing war or peace for our nation.

"I did not run for this position and was not elected for that purpose."

Wilson said last week he also would abstain from voting on the matter because he is a major in the Army Reserves.

Ostenburg and Trustees Katherine Armstrong, Steve Campbell and Dillard voted in favor of the resolution. Brown, Kramer and Wilson voted against it.

Earlier in the meeting, resident Nancy Stafford had asked the board to vote against the resolution. She said she was not happy to see the resolution on the agenda.

Village Manager Janet Muchnik said Ostenburg requested the resolution be drafted after resident Fred Gaboury previously brought the matter before the board.

Stafford said she did not feel that the board had the right to say how the village feels about the issue because it had come directly from one resident without a petition.

"The board took the wrong direction," she said. "Not one of you was elected to represent us in national or world affairs."

Two other residents spoke in favor of passing the resolution.

Stafford asked that an additional resolution be attached to the original saying that not everyone in the village wanted to protest the war.

Brown asked Ostenburg to put an addendum on the resolution to indicate the measure had passed by a 4-3 vote. He also asked that the board consider the events of the evening next time an issue comes up that does not directly affect the village.


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ajc
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Paul,

I don't see where it matters to debate the number of signatures, or how cold it was. The only thing worth taking about is how smart are you guys anyway?

Think about it, how can you trust the opinions of the SMPA and 90% of the people that signed the petitions, when they don't even have enough sense to get out of the cold?
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Paul Surovell
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Art,

As it turned out, this was a good "warm-up" for the Feb 15th peace demo in NY, which also took place in frigid weather.

Dave,

Good article, but I it didn't report on why the majority voted for the resolution.

The view that a local government can't take a position on whether our country goes to war seems to be a denial of the constitutional right to speak out or to petition the government. Those rights apply to local governments, state governments and private organizations, not only to individual citizens.
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Dave Ross
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Paul,

We elect people to congress to make these decisions. They go to CLOSED DOOR security briefings and are privy to a lot of information that local elected officials are not privy to. These congressional representatives should be the ones to make the decisions you're forcing on the people who are elected to keep our streets clean and finances in order.

It's irresponsible at best and dangerous at worst.
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ajc
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Paul,

Cold, warm, warmer, hot! That would be a good analogy, except this a isn't a guessing game where kids are telling you how close you are to the correct answer.

You’re cold, and no amount of protest warm ups will get you to where you want to go. The fact is your whole proposition for world peace is headed in the wrong direction. Sadly, it looks more and more like the only correct answer at this late stage of world diplomacy is war!

Here’s your last clue. Get out of the cold. You can’t find your way to peace if you have cold feet. Do you get it?

Times up Paul!! If we really want world peace we have to keep SH’s feet to the fire. Now after 12 years, and everything that has been said and done, if he still doesn’t get the message, then the rest of the world is just going to have to burn his dumb ass to the ground…
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Ed May
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Post Number: 1221
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Posted on Saturday, March 1, 2003 - 12:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Join me in speaking out against the anti-war resolution on March 4th during the Public Comment portion of the Maplewood Township Meeting.
Ed May
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Steven Brent
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Username: Sbrent

Post Number: 147
Registered: 9-2002


Posted on Saturday, March 1, 2003 - 1:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Count on it!
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