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johnny
Citizen
Username: Johnny
Post Number: 600
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, March 21, 2003 - 10:02 am: |     |
Will the Foreign Policy Brain Trust on the TC do the same? Or will they let their anti-war resolution stand as is? |
Ed May
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Username: Edmay
Post Number: 1311
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 11:57 pm: | |
Obviously the TC decided to let their anti-war resolution stand. My question is: "Knowing what you know now (as the war in Iraq winds down) would you have voted differently Jerry, Vic, and David?"
Ed May |
curmudgeon
Citizen
Username: Curmudgeon
Post Number: 734
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2003 - 7:20 pm: | |
Why, Ed? What has changed, other than the fact that we defeated the Iraqi Army (which was a foregone conclusion from the start anyway)?
(I mean besides the hundreds of dead and thousands of wounded Americans and Brits, the thousands of dead, tens of thousands of wounded, and hundreds of thousands of displaced Iraqis, and the now forever-lost cultural heritage of Mesopotamia and Babylonia) |
johnny
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Username: Johnny
Post Number: 630
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 10:29 am: | |
Curmudgeon:
Don't forget the tens of thousands of Iraqis that will no longer be jailed or executed for having an opinion that Sadam didn't agree with or the thousands of Kurds that don't have to worry about being gassed to death or the billions of dollars that will not go directly into Sadam's personal bank accounts. |
ajc
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Username: Ajc
Post Number: 1190
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 1:09 pm: | |
Thank you Johnny. Well spoken!
So what do you have to say about that Curmudgeon?  |
curmudgeon
Citizen
Username: Curmudgeon
Post Number: 743
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 7:22 pm: | |
I would say that "liberation" was never given as justification for war until it became obvious that there were, in fact, no significant (in fact, so far, none at all!) "weapons of mass destruction."
I would say that, had we not been enforcing sanctions for the last dozen years, Saddam's regime would have either fallen of its own weight or been destroyed by forces internal to Iraq.
I would ask what makes Iraqis more special than: Chileans, Argentinians, Uzbeks, Turkish Kurds, Chechens, Tibetans, Egyptians, Saudis, etc - whose governments we aid and abet in exactly the same treatment that Iraqis got under Saddam?
I would say it was obvious what Cheney/Bush's real agenda was when the US Army 1) parked tanks outside the oil ministry to protect it while letting the national library and museum be destroyed and 2) Restored electricity in Iraq first not to residents but to an oil refinery.
Finally, I would say that a completely Publican-controlled US government which, within minutes of its passing a resolution in support of our troops, also passed a budget resolution which drastically cut veterans benefits while providing ever-larger givebacks to its wealthy patrons, can make no claims to virtue, honor, or even to patriotism. |
Reflective
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Username: Reflective
Post Number: 32
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 10:46 pm: | |
Cur - the question was to Vic, Jerry and David - not to you, to opine glibly about straw dogs. You are throwing smoke.
Go Johnny, go. |
curmudgeon
Citizen
Username: Curmudgeon
Post Number: 744
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 22, 2003 - 11:03 pm: | |
Who is throwing smoke? It's you, I would say.
I asked Ed May a legitimate question (to which he has not responded). That prompted a question to ME from Art. Which I answered.
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johnny
Citizen
Username: Johnny
Post Number: 631
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 23, 2003 - 10:09 am: | |
Curmudgeon:
No one disputes that one of the major reasons for this war is oil. But think about it this way... The free world economy is dependent upon oil for reasons too numerous to list. The Middle East is one of, if not the most, oil rich region in the world. If the Middle East were to collapse into war (i.e. weapons of mass destruction are used) or if a brutal dictator (i.e. Sadam) were to control much of the Middle East then the world economy could potentially fall into a recession.
If you drive a car, heat your home, fly on planes, cook food, have appliances, take the bus, or use a lawnmower then the stability of the Middle East has a direct effect on you and your wallet.
In the meantime, the people of Iraq are free from opression for the first time in decades. |
Reflective
Citizen
Username: Reflective
Post Number: 36
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 1:15 am: | |
Cur-this started when Ed May asked your buddies, Vic, Jerry and David a question. They are the ones who haven't responded. They are pulling a Latz, or as some postulate, a Houdini. as in disappearing act. Vic and Jerry are running - right - cur? Some think they may have run out of town, given their silence.
Cur in your glib opine above you used the I,I,I,I,I,word - 5 times. It's all about you, nothing else, right? |
Mplwfan
Citizen
Username: Mplwfan
Post Number: 7
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 24, 2003 - 4:28 pm: | |
Cur - as there have been throughout this unilateral and unjustified war, conducted by an appointed President - there are those of us who support what you say, but are fearful of saying it because of the inevitable attacks on our patriotism. God Bless America! |
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