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mtierney
Citizen
Username: Mtierney
Post Number: 528
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 1, 2004 - 12:36 pm: |     |
Did I hear correctly at Tuesday's meeting that a woman wants a noise ordinance which would cover things like wind chimes? She repeatedly stressed the "bedroom community of Maplewood" and the need for noise control!
Ok, I have been verbal about leaf blowers in the past, but wind chimes?
How could the town control human noisemakers in this quiet suburb? Yelling parents, crying infants, fighting kids, etc. etc. Forget about barking dogs! Actually, my cats meow quite loudly but so far, no complaints from anyone.
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Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 2657
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 1, 2004 - 4:35 pm: | |
mtierney:
I agree that outlawing wind chimes is absurd. I wonder what some of the newcomers expected when they moved here. |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 2647
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 1, 2004 - 5:23 pm: | |
Joan, what makes you think this (absurd) proposal came from a newcomer? |
cmontyburns
Citizen
Username: Cmontyburns
Post Number: 56
Registered: 12-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 1, 2004 - 5:32 pm: | |
Just think, pretty soon you won't have to talk to your neighbors at ALL! You can just constantly call the police on them.
What a utopia that will be. |
Dave
Citizen
Username: Dave
Post Number: 6715
Registered: 4-1998
| | Posted on Thursday, April 1, 2004 - 5:46 pm: | |
Another April Fools joke!
Two I heard on the radio today:
- Banning smoking in private homes
- Portable zip codes from the post office |
Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 2659
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 1, 2004 - 7:33 pm: | |
Tom:
The residents of this town are not shy when it comes to presenting quality of life complaints to the TC. Witness the ordinace passed a few years ago which prohibits ice cream trucks from playing jingles as they drive through town!
Wind chimes are nothing new in this town. A disgruntled old timer would have raised the wind chimes issue before the TC long before now.
Ergo: The complainant was a new comer. 
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Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 2649
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 1, 2004 - 8:01 pm: | |
If that's not an April Fool's joke on me, the logic you are offering is either that all old timers are all "complained out" or that they have made their town perfectly happy and have nothing to complain about. |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 2650
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 1, 2004 - 8:14 pm: | |
Oh, I didn't see the smiley before.  |
Barbara
Real Name
Username: Blh
Post Number: 237
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, April 1, 2004 - 9:09 pm: | |
Without comment on the issue, I'll report that I watched the TC meeting at which this issue was raised a few weeks ago. Not only is the person that raised the issue not a newcomer, but this person is also an MOLer.
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Reflective
Citizen
Username: Reflective
Post Number: 387
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 1, 2004 - 10:16 pm: | |
OK Barb,
Out the MOLer! |
Musetta
Citizen
Username: Musetta
Post Number: 39
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 2, 2004 - 11:25 am: | |
Joan,
Ice cream trucks? Really? They play the jingles up and down my street all the time. (not that I mind) |
mtierney
Citizen
Username: Mtierney
Post Number: 530
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 2, 2004 - 12:39 pm: | |
I don't know who the woman was who spoke at the meeting this past Tuesday. She addressed the nighttime noise coming from windchimes at a neighbor's house across the street.
A majority of our newcomers apparently come from very noisy Park Slope, I can't believe windchimes would wake them! (I too am a Brooklyn native, altho from the refined Fort Hamilton area.)
A MOLer? Let's go to the tape! |
Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 2662
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 2, 2004 - 5:02 pm: | |
Tom:
I just love April 1st don't you?
Musetta:
The ban on ice cream trucks playing music is true. Check out the attic for arguments for and against which were made at the time. As I remember those in favor of the ordinance claimed that the jingle, Turkey in the Straw, was producing a Pavlovian response in young children causing them to insist on their parents buying them ice cream whenever the music was played.
Hopefully, this ordinance has since been repealed but I doubt it. More likely it is just one in a growing list of unenforced and underenforced ordinances in town.
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bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 5121
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 4, 2004 - 6:30 pm: | |
Personally I can live with the leaf blowers. When they are howling I know that in a few minutes the landscapers are going to pack up their toys and head out to another location.
Windchimes, however, are a whole different story. They are with you and your neighbors 24/7/365, with the only difference in noise level based on the wind.
While I know some like the noise of the chimes, many of us don't. I really don't think they have a place in a high density suburb such as ours.
This doesn't mean I am going to be hanging out at TC meetings making pleas on the subject. However, I do think some consideration is in order, especially if you have airconditioning so the noise isn't noticeable at night, but your neighbors don't.
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Local_1_crew
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 17
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 6, 2004 - 12:23 am: | |
YEAH! and let's send all of those young punks who play ball on my street to military school! Young hooligans with thier rock and roll music and long haircuts!
While we are getting rid of wind chimes let's also get a law that stops people from talking on someone elses sidewalk. I have to maintain it so i should be able to make sure people passing by are quiet!
I am also hoping that we pass a town ordinance that stops all of the kissing and violence on tv. i dont want to take the time to turn the channel or , even worse, turn off the tv.
I am hoping that all of the things that i find personally annoying are banned!
now take a breath, spend some time in personal reflection, and keep repeating, "its just a wind chime, its just a wind chime. life is too short to stress about a wind chime". |
just me fromsouthorange
Citizen
Username: Jmfromsorange
Post Number: 233
Registered: 7-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 8, 2004 - 9:54 am: | |
bobk-
i'd much rather hear the 'noise' of wind chimes then the rattle of airconditioners. |
Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 530
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, April 8, 2004 - 11:19 am: | |
Unless were talking Notre Dam, I'd really like to know what kind of person makes serious complaints about wind chimes. A bunch of Anti-Quasimotoists. |
Local_1_crew
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 18
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 9, 2004 - 12:16 am: | |
notre damE.
quasimoDo |
Ukealalio
Citizen
Username: Ukealalio
Post Number: 533
Registered: 6-2003
| | Posted on Friday, April 9, 2004 - 10:01 am: | |
Thanks Mrs. Crabtree. |
Local_1_crew
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 19
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 9, 2004 - 10:34 pm: | |
no problem, alfalfa |
sbenois
Citizen
Username: Sbenois
Post Number: 10992
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Friday, April 9, 2004 - 10:42 pm: | |
How in the hell could anyone complain about wind chimes? Is this a joke? Must be some kind of a nut. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 5174
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 1:40 pm: | |
I have very sensitive hearing and at 3:00am they really get to me. |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 2779
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 3:38 pm: | |
I can conceive of a situation where wind chimes would bother me (or anyone). In that case, the proper thing to do would be to complain to the chime owner. The law is far too blunt an instrument for this sort of thing. Complaining to the police is like using a bludgeon, and asking for legislature is like using a bomb. |
Local_1_crew
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 21
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:04 pm: | |
the world should be made safe for people with sensitive hearing. the entire planet should conform to the needs of those few with sensitive hearing. those of you with sensitive hearing have long been neglected under the tyranny of those with normal hearing!
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David Gwesyn Smith
Citizen
Username: Bertie_boy
Post Number: 1
Registered: 5-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 7, 2004 - 1:12 pm: | |
As a new resident of Maplewood I am amazed to see so much talk of windchimes and leaf blowers.
The tremendous din of supermarket trucks that bomb down Valley street in the early hours seems to me to be so much worse. Also what are the town ordinances on car stereos that you hear, and}} feel, for six blocks in both directions. Do the police pull these offenders over? Don't get me wrong, I love being in Maplewood but it would be even more perfect if quieter by night.
P.S. I've never understood why people drive around with their windows open inflicting their dubious taste in music on everybody else ! |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 2954
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Friday, May 7, 2004 - 1:21 pm: | |
David, I have learned that on MOL, the amount of whining doesn't indicate the severity of a problem. Whining is an opportunity and activity unto itself.
The concept of a windchime prohibition is a joke, anyway, whether deliberate or incidental.
Loud music with open car windows are a power play and a way of extending one's "body buffer". Does that help? |
Nohero
Citizen
Username: Nohero
Post Number: 3305
Registered: 10-1999
| | Posted on Friday, May 7, 2004 - 1:30 pm: | |
Actually, Mr. Reingold, many would say that the amount of whining on MOL is inversely proportional to the severity of the problem.
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Local_1_crew
Citizen
Username: Local_1_crew
Post Number: 35
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, May 8, 2004 - 2:59 pm: | |
i say we round up all of these wind chime lovers and horse whip them in the town square! |
eab
Citizen
Username: Eab
Post Number: 31
Registered: 10-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 11:18 am: | |
I think I have a solution to the wind chimes problem. Really our dilemma here is based on miscommunication. Some wind chimes are melodic, perhaps I mean tonal, and some aren't. Some are LOUD and decibal measurements could be made. Perhaps a committee could be formed to evaluate tonality and decibal level of windchimes soon after the purchase is made (while we all still have our receipts) and issue permits for each. This committe would be made up of residents from each area of town. Perhaps the many neighborhood groups could each appoint someone.
I just love it that ya'all aren't going to be able to decide if I'm joking or not! |
Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 3102
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 11:25 am: | |
I think you just cleared that up for us, eab. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 5474
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 1:35 pm: | |
I was driving along Plymouth Avenue one evening last week and came upon an ice cream truck playing "Turkey in the Straw" which has been outlawed by the TC. I think we should form a special noise squad to go around handing out tickets. |
ReallyTrying
Citizen
Username: Reallytrying
Post Number: 365
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 - 1:46 pm: | |
I agree, and I want to start with my own house, which is way too noisy. Maybe after all those noisy people who live with me receive their individual summonses, they'll figure out it really isn't necessary to YELL about everything. |
Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 2908
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 - 4:34 pm: | |
Really Trying: I agree with you there ought to be a law against conversations in which one participant is in the basement and the other is on the third floor. |
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