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Andrew Zorn
Citizen
Username: Andrewzorn
Post Number: 147
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 10:49 am: |     |
The League of Women Voters of Maplewood and South Orange will host the candidates for Maplewood Township Committee – Republican Art Gartenlaub and Democrat David Huemer – at its Candidates Forum on Friday, Oct. 15 at 7:30 p.m. in the Maplewood Community Center at Dehart Park – 120 Burnett Avenue, Maplewood. The candidates will answer questions prepared by the League and then take questions from the floor. |
Andrew Zorn
Citizen
Username: Andrewzorn
Post Number: 149
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2004 - 11:32 am: | |
Don't forget the Candidates Forum tonight! |
Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 4080
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 9:09 am: | |
Andrew:
Thank you to you and the others responsible for putting together a truly terrific debate. The questions were well selected and served their purpose of helping to highlight the real philisophical differences between the candidates on key issues. The moderator did a terrific job of making sure everyone in the audience got the opportunity to ask as many questions of both of the candidates as they wished and keeping the speech making to the two candidates. She also made sure that each candidate had an opportunity to be heard on each issue raised and enabled all present to ask clarifying questions.
My only regrets are that so few people showed up for such a meaningful debate and no reviewable record was made for those unable to attend in person.
Hopefully, more people will turn out for the next debate and it will be as great as the LWV Debate was this year.
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Woodster
Citizen
Username: Woodster
Post Number: 37
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 12:16 pm: | |
Joan,
You are right. I think a lot of the people there were MOLers. I saw you, Tom Riengold, Jamie, Annette Depalma,EB1145,Lydia's husband, and Art.
Were there any other MOLers there?
I didn't see the big difference between Art and Dave. In Art's opening statement he said party affiliation didn't matter on a local level, however, when he was asked to point out the differences between him and Dave (was that your question?)he pointed out the fact that he was a Republican and said the TC needs diversity. |
Woodster
Citizen
Username: Woodster
Post Number: 38
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 12:19 pm: | |
Ooopps, I forgot Ed May being there. Ed, the question about Dave being 5 minutes late was pretty poor. I expected much more out of you.
Sbenois, were you there? |
Woodster
Citizen
Username: Woodster
Post Number: 39
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 12:31 pm: | |
Joan, you are right about the turnout. There were a few MOLers there. I saw you, Tom Reingold, Annette DePalma, EB1145, Ed May, Jamie, Art and Lydia's husband. Were there any other MOLers there that you know of?
Ed, the question about Dave being 5 minutes late was a pretty poor attack on Dave. I expected much more from you.
I didn't see much difference between the two of them. I think Dave did rather well while Art seemed a little unimformed. Also, Art contradicted himself when asked to show the differences. In his opening statement he stated that party affiliation didn't matter on a local level but later he said the TC needs a Republican on it to show diversity. So, does party affiliation matter on a local level or doesn't it?
Sbenois, were you there? |
Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 4081
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 1:04 pm: | |
Woodster:
I wish you had introduced yourself. Next time you see me please say hello. Your list left out Curmudgeon, JEM, Patty, and KAP. Kathy Leventhal also has an MOL account but I forget her sign on name.
One major difference between the two candidates dealt with their answers to the question I asked regarding the availability of youth programs in town. Both candidate's agreed that additional programs were necessary but Dave focused on building a Y-type recreation center at the site of the present police station (which he admitted might have to be torn down and a new facility put in its place) while Art displayed less of an ediface complex. The candidates also differed on the question of eminent domaine. Dave came out dead set against using it while Art favored it but only in extreme cases. Dave kept talking about the need to go to Trenton to get our entire school funding methodology revamped while Art proposed an attempt to make a series of small cost saving gestures which in the aggregate might add up to a significant saving. To my way of thinking these are clear policy differences.
The differences in speaking ability, knowledge of existing programs and approaches, and willingness to speak of specific programs which could address specific issues was also evident.
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ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 2964
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 2:06 pm: | |
Did David say how he was for Section 8 housing? |
Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 4085
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 5:13 pm: | |
No. There was some discussion of senior citizen housing but that was pretty much limited to the development of the Universal Chain site and a statement that Maplewood was significantly below the number of units of senior citizen housing we should have for a town our size.
No mention of rent control either. |
Ed May
Citizen
Username: Edmay
Post Number: 2237
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 10:14 pm: | |
With all due respect to Andrew Zorn and the League of Women Voters, last night's debate was not well produced. It was, once again, planned at the last minute, poorly advertised, and scheduled on a bad night. There were no microphones, no videotaping for the local cable station, and no reporter from the News-Record. Further, the Democrat Candidate showed his disrespect for the process, by showing up late. I really hope that the next two debates, and the debate on MOL are handled more professionaly by all concerned. |
yabbadabbadoo
Citizen
Username: Yabbadabbadoo
Post Number: 140
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 11:01 pm: | |
Speaking of assclowns.........
FF |
anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 1453
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2004 - 11:27 pm: | |
Ed: Cut it out! So he was late. Big deal.
But how dare the N-R not be there. Their capacity to piss me off knows no bounds. |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 1418
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 5:23 am: | |
Wharfrat was there, also.
FWIW, CCN was supposed to be in attendance, BUT ONCE AGAIN THEY DROPPED THE BALL! |
anon
Citizen
Username: Anon
Post Number: 1456
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 1:19 pm: | |
Whatfrat: 5:23 AM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Up late on a Saturday night, or up early on Sunday morning? |
Andrew Zorn
Citizen
Username: Andrewzorn
Post Number: 151
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 2:54 pm: | |
With all due respect to Ed May, he may one day almost drive me near to the point of irritation with his thoughtless comments, misdirected bitterness and bilious paranoia. His pious standards of professionalism are obviously beyond my reach.
Coverage by the local media would have been nice, and I too am disappointed they weren’t there. Among other things, it would have allowed a larger audience to see how last year’s Republican Candidate chooses to conduct himself in a public forum -- with all the grace you’d expect from someone who vents his petty grievances on an internet message board. |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 1420
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 2:54 pm: | |
Actually, I slept in this a.m.  |
Joan
Citizen
Username: Joancrystal
Post Number: 4093
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 3:53 pm: | |
Andrew:
It is far better to dwell on the fact that Ed's was the only inappropriate question of the evening and that his question did not disrupt the debate (which I assume was his intent at that point) thanks to the far more professional attitude of both candidates, the moderator, yourself and the others in attendance.
I repeat, you are to be congratulated for doing a very fine job indeed. |
Arthur Gartenlaub
Citizen
Username: Artg
Post Number: 18
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 8:05 pm: | |
Woodster:
You posted, "In his opening statement [Art] stated that party affiliation didn't matter on a local level but later he said the TC needs a Republican on it to show diversity. So, does party affiliation matter on a local level or doesn't it?"
Thanks for the chance to clarify what I said -- I can see where you'd sense a contradiction.
On the strictly local level -- concerning Maplewood, itself -- I don't see a difference in how the parties would govern. However, when it comes to relations with governmental bodies outside of Maplewood -- the county, the state, other municipalities -- it does make a difference for us to be able to note that we have Republican representation on the Township Committee because there are so many Republicans in positions of power elsewhere.
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eb1154
Citizen
Username: Eb1154
Post Number: 326
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 8:25 pm: | |
I didn't know there were that many Molers at the debate. i recognized a couple of people from MOL, but judging by the list I missed a lot of you.
Andy, I think you did a good job especially since some things were out of your control. I think the people asked some good questions and there weren't any real attacks on either candidate. With the exception of Ed's "being late" question.
I hope everyone shows up this Thursday for the next forum.
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Fruitcake
Citizen
Username: Fruitcake
Post Number: 172
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 11:24 pm: | |
Ed,
At last year's debate, when you were a candidate, you complained about the organizers. In particular you were miffed that they didn't make a video tape. At the time, somebody suggested maybe you should volunteer to organize the debates and try to do a better job. Here we are a year later, and Andrew Zorn and the LWV are still doing the heavy lifting and you're still being an armchair quarterback. What a wuss.
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Tom Reingold
Citizen
Username: Noglider
Post Number: 4137
Registered: 1-2003
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 10:56 am: | |
Did anyone other than Ed feel that the lateness caused a problem? |
steel
Citizen
Username: Steel
Post Number: 591
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, October 18, 2004 - 11:59 am: | |
An overly thorough, (if late) reporting of the "Question of Ed":
It is interesting that, (possibly through the predictability of Dave's reelection, -sorry Art), Ed has managed to make his question concerning Dave's alleged tardiness the centerpiece of discussion regarding the debate. I wonder if given the opportunity if Ed (M)ay next assert that Dave has been seen using a fork with his left hand and not using coasters.
Unlike Joan, (above) I don't believe that Ed had any intent at all with his question. It struck me simply as a hiccup, a tic, a burbling over of some personal peccadillo over punctuality. It was particularly odd because Dave had not been even late-late. He showed up almost exactly at 7:30 and the debate began scant minutes later. It proceeded smoothly without incident to near conclusion as our two affable candidates parried earnestly and then, suddenly, from the back of the room, without warning, Ed struck with his question concerning manners which was delivered in a rather ill-mannered tone. Both candidates and the crowd of several where taken-a-back for a moment while Dave gathered himself to confront this mild shape-shift in reality. Dave to his credit, instead of simply saying, "there you go again", actually responded patiently and throughly to this unprovoked assertion of a malignant disregard for the atomic clock. Huemer was followed by humor as Art prevented the entire room from levitating into a noxious cloud and brought us all back to earth with a good-natured joke.
I confess however that as I left, I did have the dark thought of hoping that Ed will continue only to be carrying signs in his trunk and not something more foretelling of a ominous destiny such as the clocked body of a grandfather clock that he mutters secrets to. |
TKS
Citizen
Username: Flying_ninja
Post Number: 22
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 8:55 pm: | |
"Wharfrat was there, also.
FWIW, CCN was supposed to be in attendance, BUT ONCE AGAIN THEY DROPPED THE BALL!".
We can not be everywhere. We just do not have the resources or staff. Besides...
MAPLEWOOD TOWNSHIP CANDIDATES' DEBATE
PRESENTED BY CCN
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2004 7:30PM
CHANNEL19 IN SOUTH ORANGE 35 IN MAPLEWOOD |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 2972
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 8:27 am: | |
Way to go TKS. |
wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 1423
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 8:46 am: | |
TKS-
Whatever happened to the timely broadcasts and re-broadcasts of the July and August BOE meetings?
You guys kept scheduling/advertising the broadcasts .
Not for nothing, whether you guys can or can't be everywhere, YOU DROPPED THE BALL! |
ffof
Citizen
Username: Ffof
Post Number: 2974
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 8:55 am: | |
wharfrat- maybe you should run the station. |
bobk
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 6416
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 9:14 am: | |
Obviously we need Coach Couglin from the Giants.
All meetings will start five minutes before the half hour and anyone not five minutes early will be considered late. 
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TKS
Citizen
Username: Flying_ninja
Post Number: 23
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 1:19 pm: | |
Wharfrat...Students aren't even in school in July and August...I do believe that is SOMAcom... |
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