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     Strawberry Statement Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4961 Registered: 10-2001 |
Vic would once again make a fine TC member, as are Fred and Ian who are both amazing. The real problem we have in Maplewood is David H. He's actually been asked to resign by citizens because of recent issues regarding conduct. We are hopeful he does so before the election which in essence would open a spot for all three of the current TC candidates. For more info please feel to PL me. | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 890 Registered: 5-2001 |
Besides you, who else asked him to resign? Didn't Dave shut down that post? For more info contact Dave or David Huemer himself. He's listed in the phone book and speaks on the record and, in the all the years I've known him, truthfully. I highly recommend going down this road and not taking the road full of brambles, distortions and hidden agendas. | ||
| wharfrat Citizen Username: Wharfrat Post Number: 1782 Registered: 6-2001 |
".....not taking the road full of brambles, distortions and hidden agendas." Well said, Wendy! | ||
| Ukealalio Citizen Username: Ukealalio Post Number: 2104 Registered: 6-2003 |
Let me translate Straw speak: citizens=him alone issues regarding conduct=If you're not calling those with dissenting opinions, a, moron, clueless, or revert to tired Yo Mamma jokes, you have, "issues" regarding conduct. | ||
| Strawberry Statement Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4966 Registered: 10-2001 |
Wendy, After speaking to Dave R. yesterday I agreed it was in the best interest of the site that we not have a thread that discusses Saturday's incident. However, and this is a big however I want you to read the last post Dave made on that thread yesterday. Notice his update made shortly after the original post. "I learned from correspondence with David Huemer that the incident in question didn't happen, so this thread is closed and will be archived offline in an hour. Update: I'm receiving contradicting reports on this." While it's important we assume all party's are innocent until proven guilty obviously keep in mind Dave uses the term "reports" as in more than one. The bottom line is this. Vic is running and once again we are having serious splits within the town. David H is leading the charge and he is doing so in a manner that will clearly cost Vic the election. It's ashame really because as opposed to David, Vic really wants to make a difference. David OTOH just wants to be "popular". | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 6273 Registered: 4-1997  |
The information I received didn't contradict David's side of the story, nor did it come from a DeLuca supporter. My suggestion is to take Wendy's advice. | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 6665 Registered: 1-2003  |
The TC members list their email addresses at: http://tinyurl.com/7lcqe Also, I received an invitation to attend a "coffee" where I can meet one of the candidates. I suspect these are going around for all the candidates eventually. If you are interested in attending, I can hope that expressing your interest here will get you an invitation from a host. But I can't say for sure. | ||
| kathleen Citizen Username: Symbolic Post Number: 33 Registered: 3-2005 |
I'd like to point out to everybody who seems to have overlooked it that the election taking place on June 7th is a DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY election. The Democratic party has a variety of philosophies within it, as does the Republican party. Among Republicans, there is obviously a huge difference between Tom Delay and Tom Kean. There is a huge difference between Howard Dean and Zell Miller. Many Democrats today are looking to rebuild their party along a clear set of principles. Voting your convictions in a primary at the local level is very much part of the effort of defeating rightwing politics at the state and national level. In the Maplewood Democratic primary, each of the three candidates has distinctly different political histories. It is not enough to find out what their positions are. You have to know their histories, which includes whether or not they have a history of sticking to the positions they took to get elected. Many people have moved here since 2000 and don't know this history. Within the space of a two years, Fred Profeta went from repeatedly avowing to the voters of Maplewood that he was totally independent of both political parties as a matter of personal conviction. After he was defeated, he tried to change the election rules and was thwarted. What changed Fred's political fortunes (and avowed principles) is that Tim Durkin, a local Maplewoodian Democrat who had once been an important figure in state Democratic politics but lost out along the way, wanted to get back some of his status in the Democratic party machine. He persuaded Joey D. Vincenzo, who was running that year for County Executive, that he could deliver Maplewood for Joey D. if the Sharpe James/Adubato political machine backed Fred Profeta, who had almost beat the progressive incumbents after the 2000 reval. During that campaign, MOL posters who identified themselves as rightwing and Republican, urged fellow Republicans to re-register as Democrats in order to help end progressive, liberal government in Maplewood. Many Republicans in Maplewood believe that because they are so much the minority party, it doesn't matter if they lie to the voters to win seats in government. Some anti-liberal Democrats are willing to make deals with them to keep progressive government out of Maplewood. As a Democratic party voter, you are entitled to make up your own mind about this history and whether or not you would prefer to have Democrats who share your political philosophy and who practice politics to enact your values. Fred Profeta does not enact those values. He has an antipathy for open government, supporting public services and seeing property tax reform that would place the burden of school funding on a mix of state income and business taxes. Ian Grodman has never been made to explain what Democratic party political causes or candidates he has worked for in his years before becoming Fred's selection for slot on the TC. His public record on the TC is one of echoing Fred Profets more often than not. Vic DeLuca has an established record of activism on behalf of reform politics, progressive taxation, supporting open government and progressive candidates for higher office. Maplewood voters are grownups. They should be given information when they ask for it. There is nothing wrong with a Democratic Party that works against Republican policies. If you believe in progressive government, there is no reason not to vote for the only progressive Democratic candidate in the Democratic party. For those who feel a party "label" doesn't matter, what's the problem with either Fred or Ian running as Republicans in the general election if they lose to Vic? | ||
| kathleen Citizen Username: Symbolic Post Number: 34 Registered: 3-2005 |
Dave, I think you owe it to David Huemer and everybody's sense of fair play to post the name of the woman David Huemer spoke to, because right now her friends are working overtime to create an impression this was a woman who had no history of provoking trouble or having expressed hatred for David -- to the point where Fred Profeta once felt it necessary to intervene to get her to stop. I haven't spoken to David but half the people I spoke to already know the name so if you're not going to protect David from innuendo, you owe it get out the information that will let people have a better sense of the credibility of the source. | ||
| Dave Supporter Username: Dave Post Number: 6281 Registered: 4-1997 |
The two individuals involved were David Huemer and Lydia Lacey. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3782 Registered: 9-2001  |
" I received an invitation to attend a "coffee" where I can meet one of the candidates." Tom, I've also received two for invitations thus far for Profeta/Grodman, and one for DeLuca. Serving on the township committee is an awesome responsibility, and requires a huge commitment in time, personal money, and energy. Anyone who doubts any of these candidates’ sincerity or commitment to this community is sadly mistaken. IMHO, anyone who is planning to pull a lever in the Primary next month without hearing out all the candidate’s reasons for running and their plan for Maplewood’s future is making a big mistake. As a registered Republican who continues to be an advocate for bi-partisan elections in the future, I fully intend to attend every coffee I can regardless of political affiliation. So please keep those cards and letters coming... | ||
| Strawberry Statement Supporter Username: Strawberry Post Number: 4967 Registered: 10-2001 |
Kathleen is once again pulling absolute bull •••• out of her •••. Fred never did any such thing in regards to David and Lydia. The only issue Lydia ever had with David is his inability to govern. And you know what, she's not alone. ALSO KEEP IN MIND KATHLEEN WHO ALSO POSTS AS HARPO IS A BIG VIC/DAVID SUPPORTER. | ||
| kathleen Citizen Username: Symbolic Post Number: 36 Registered: 3-2005 |
Thanks Dave. Fair is fair. | ||
| kathleen Citizen Username: Symbolic Post Number: 37 Registered: 3-2005 |
ajc, We already have *bi-partisan* elections in the Democratic primary, and I think they haven't served the town well at all. I think you mean *non-partisan* general elections. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3783 Registered: 9-2001 |
“The two individuals involved were David Huemer and Lydia Lacey.” Dave, does this mean neither one will be recommended as our Ambassador to the United Nations? | ||
| Tom Reingold Supporter Username: Noglider Post Number: 6679 Registered: 1-2003 |
Art, my father lives in Manhattan. For a few years, he had a house in Southampton, NY, as well. He decided to register to vote in Southampton because he figured his vote would count more there. He noticed that none of his requests for road repairs were fulfilled until he changed his affliation from Democratic to Republican. He made the change solely for that reason. He is a left-leaning Democrat. It was a matter of practicality. Of course, I do not believe that Maplewood politicians or administration would show such blatant favoritism as Southampton did. But you might find voting in the local primaries satisfying. | ||
| ajc Citizen Username: Ajc Post Number: 3784 Registered: 9-2001 |
“There is nothing wrong with a Democratic Party that works against Republican policies.” Thank you for that correction Kathleen, but I have to differ with your above statement... IMO, the kind of politics you are promoting doesn’t belong at the municipal level, certainly not here in Maplewood. I’m not suggesting anyone should ban First Amendment privilege, but melding the wide scope of local and national party politics is way over the top. This is NOT NYC, and lacing the punch bowl with all this silliness about party politics would be best left to county, state, and national political debates... | ||
| crabbyappleton Citizen Username: Crabbyappleton Post Number: 60 Registered: 1-2004 |
"Some anti-liberal Democrats"  | ||
| sbenois Supporter Username: Sbenois Post Number: 13554 Registered: 10-2001  |
For you All in the Family fans, Saturday's event seems to have been Maplewood's version of the classic Everyone Tells the Truth episode... http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-201/epid-38165/ | ||
| wendy Supporter Username: Wendy Post Number: 903 Registered: 5-2001 |
For all those of culture, it's actually more reminiscent of Kurosawa's Rashomon. |
