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apm
Citizen
Username: Apm
Post Number: 288
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:59 am: |     |
Woodster- Ask any cop in town how they feel about Vic Deluca.
To ME, he has a lot of anger and frustration towards the police. Now I know where it comes from.
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Woodster
Citizen
Username: Woodster
Post Number: 105
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 12:10 pm: | |
If you are trying to imply something about Vic's relationship with his father you have stepped way the hell over the line. I haven't seen anyone on this board ever take a shot at a local politician's family. Plain and simply, you have stooped to an all time low on MOL.
If he has anger and frustration towards the police it was because they were only looking out for their best interests and Vic was trying to look out for the entire town's interest. |
apm
Citizen
Username: Apm
Post Number: 289
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 1:13 pm: | |
I disagree. He showed anger and frustration with the police issue at the debate. And if you think he hasn't taken shots at long time Maplewood families, you are wrong. |
Just The Aunt
Supporter
Username: Auntof13
Post Number: 1212
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 1:24 pm: | |
woodster
You said you "haven't seen anyone on this board take a shot at a local politician's family"
I guess you weren't reading the thread about the South Orange BOT elections! There were some mean things said by Line C and at the time current BOT members who weren't running for reelection. |
johnny
Citizen
Username: Johnny
Post Number: 1249
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 8:59 pm: | |
I'm not saying that Vic has done nothing for Springfield Ave. He has done a lot, probably more than anyone in Maplewood. However, why would you talk about the things you COULD get done, when you are already in a position of power to get them done. Why wouldn't you just go ahead now and get them done instead of waiting until you are elected?
It doesn't make much sense to me. |
Woodster
Citizen
Username: Woodster
Post Number: 115
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 9:25 pm: | |
Johnny,
He is very limited in what he can do on SA in his role with the partnership. If he was on the TC he could have more of the construction/streetscape work done. |
Joseph Guglielmo
Citizen
Username: Plt_guglielmo
Post Number: 10
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, May 27, 2005 - 10:04 pm: | |
Lucifer, sorry it took so long to get back, long midnight tour.
Good Point! After years of having many of the problems that the Department and the Local have faced ignored or trivialized by the Township Committee, many of us feel that just having a committee that is approachable and will listen to our point of view is enough. You are right though, some examples are needed;
The fact the all of the Township Committee members showed up at our holiday party to meet our families and spend some time with the members may not seem like much to most, but after 15 years of never having any other committee member take the time to show this kind of support it mattered.
Or during contract negotiations, as the Christmas Holiday approached and the Award from the arbitrator was pushed back yet again, it meant a lot to the membership that the committee voted, un solicited by the local I mind you, to advance the membership a portion of the anticipated retro check. This would have been unheard of in the past. (And it cost the town nothing)
There was an issue were several former Officers, due back pay form a supplementary arbitration award, had payment held up by the Township Administrator for unknown reasons, this was rectified expeditiously by this Mayor. (This saved the town thousands of dollars as the PBA would most definitely have won the unfair labor suit. The Township’s lawyer’s fees would have exceeded the award amount. A good common sense move made possible through good communications by both parties)
The fact that this committee was able to get the Promotional testing matter settled is no small accomplishment and cannot be ignored; I will spare you the details as this has been talked about before, but their hands on approach helped get the job done.
After years and years of talk, under this Mayor we have seen state of the art computers put into the patrol cars, others talked about it, finally it got done under this administration. (This system allows officer to spend more time on the road as opposed to inside the building writing reports).
Under this Committee we have seen, for the first time in my career, a much needed increase in the manpower of the department.
After years of the PBA asking the Township to seek outside impute, this committee has brought in outside parties to evaluate the department (again at no cost to the Township).
The past committee ignored our requests to update our work schedule to something more progressive and competitive with the surrounding communities. (One of the reasons we have lost so many officers) This Committee has been open about working with us to get a fair, progressive schedule and although we have not yet accomplished this goal, as we made it secondary to getting the promotions done, we have received support from the Committee. (Several of the Local members were discussing this with Dave in the center this past week)
We had several serious and traumatic events occur during this Mayors tenure. No other Mayor, or Committee, ever showed the interest that we saw from this group. And for the record that includes all five of the Committee members, not just the ones we endorsed.
At this year’s 200 club awards (a prestigious organization that honors members of the Essex County Law Enforcement community) the Mayor and several Committee members showed up. In all fairness, Vic did come to this event in the past if I remember correctly. But corny as this may sound, the current Mayor, and I believe Mr. Grodman and Mr. Petis (could be mistaken), choose to sit with the Officers. That may sound like a small insignificant act, but I assure you it meant a lot to the rank and file Officers. (upon further reflection I think the whole committee showed up)
Many grievances that would have had to have been filed under the previous Mayor were avoided as the Police Administration, knowing that the PBA had established a working relationship with this committee, attempted to handle matters amongst ourselves. This forced us to work closer with the Police Administration, and helped foster better communications between the Local and the Chief.
There are other items that never became Issues as we were able to handle them before things had to get formal. (All a result of that communication thing)
Make no mistake, there is much to be done, but the question the local had to ask its “who have we worked better with and who is the better choice to get the department where it needs to be in the future”. The Members of the Maplewood Police Department, PBA Local 44, believe that Mayor Profeta and Vice Mayor Grodman are the best choice for us on labor/management related issues and to move the Department forward. It would have been easy for them to maintain the status quo and we could have continued to blame each other, but they, to their credit and the credit of the Union leadership, faced the issues. And in the future, when we have a problem that we can’t agree on and negotiations are not going well, as will always happen with Labor/Management issues, at least we know that the debate will not regress to the Police being called “cry babies” or “racist”( I know, he didn’t say racist, but the insinuation was their).
Hope this help’s.
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Lucifer
Citizen
Username: Lucifer
Post Number: 26
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 12:54 am: | |
Officer G
No problem about the wait for a response. You bring up a lot of examples of how the PBA has worked better with the current mayor and TC. The things you talked about (computers, promotions, TC representation at important functions) are all good and important. I would say that it seems that the PBA has a better relationship with the TC now then it has in the past, and clearly that has benefitted you and the saftey of the town.
However, it seems that a lot of these issues were acts of the entire TC, or lack thereof in the past. Could it be possible that the problems you guys had were a result of poor communication with the TC in general and not those specific members an/or mayor?
I would say that as a result of the communication breakdown you are saying occured, the TC had to step back and rethink their approach to the MPD, and that this resulted in your current relationship.
I don't think that Vic Deluca is against new computers, raises, promotions, or showing up to support you guys; and I honestly don't think that you think that either. I feel that you guys had rough time dealing with the town for awhile and it came to a head when Vic was mayor, in much the same way as the reval situation did.
Just for the record, can you please explain the nature of the contract negotiations and whether or not Deluca or Profeta was ever present during negotiations.
And finally has anyone found the record of the meetings when Deluca apparently called the police cry-babies or insinuated that they are racist. |
tdurkin307
Citizen
Username: Tdurkin307
Post Number: 32
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 9:48 am: | |
Joe,
Excellent explanation! It's a a joy to read factual posts on MOL, although they are far and few between. Heck, Kathleen had me as some mastermind who organized a coup to over throw the evil empire of the Maplewood TC. Thou flattering, it was not true. No matter what you say most of Deluca's supporters are further left than Ramsey Clark. Your not going to change their minds, yet they'll type falsehoods under the guise of usernames such as Lucifer or Woodster. When are they going to realize that it's not just about the REVAL! Hopefully before June 7th.
Tim Durkin |
kathleen
Citizen
Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 108
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 10:28 am: | |
Tim,
Why don't you try posting a factual MOL post yourself? I immediately corrected my own post where I misnamed you for your brother, Chris Durkin. He is, I repeat, the very person who, looking for a way to get back in good with Sharpe James's Essex County political machine, exploited the anger of the reval to cobble together a smarmy slate of opportunists to run for the party line. I read in a local newspaper now he's running for the county clerk's office. If he wins, won't he have charge of Maplewood's absentee ballots?
Fred and his group have always been about the politics of deceit and smears, McCarthyism style. You do Maplewood's force no credit by adding your own red-baiting McCarthyism, and the police who stood in front of the Bagel Chateau last weekend challenging people's patriotism if they don't vote for Fred do more harm to local politics than a few posts questioning the PBA's motives on MOL.
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Lucifer
Citizen
Username: Lucifer
Post Number: 28
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 11:38 am: | |
Tim Durkin,
Tell me one falsehood I have ever typed on this board? Don't be petty and come in the middle of a conversation that was actually starting to have some semblance of reason and logic and start fanning the flames of idiocy again.
One falsehood I ever wrote. |
golden
Citizen
Username: Golden
Post Number: 110
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 12:14 pm: | |
Kathleen
Why the reference to Chris Durkin and control over absentee ballots if he is elected clerk? I think you need to explain yourself on this one or refrain for such irresponsible postings.
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wharfrat
Citizen
Username: Wharfrat
Post Number: 1855
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 1:22 pm: | |
So let’s see-
This is a democratic primary, and yet we have a number of Fred and Ian supporters showing their true colors.
First, we have a well-known family-owned screen name saying, at 9:08 am, “He has an angry dour proletariat nature and he doesn't work well with people that don't share his extreme leftist views (maybe Michael Moore perhaps). That's not good for our town.”
Then, we have a prominent well-connected member of the JoeD/Sharpe James Essex Cty. Machine (who votes Republican, btw) bringing Karl Rove like political warfare to Maplewood by claiming at, 9:48 am, “No matter what you say most of Deluca's supporters are further left than Ramsey Clark.”
Finally, we have Maplewood’s self-proclaimed, most important (non-voting) republican claiming at 12:31 pm-“...in real life Fred and Ian are Republicans anyway.”
For a number of Fred and Ian’s supporters, this isn’t a campaign about local issues it's a hate filled, orchestrated campaign against Democrats.
For this long-time Democrat, it appears that Fred has succeeded in bringing the red-baiting smears of the National GOP to Maplewood.
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tdurkin307
Citizen
Username: Tdurkin307
Post Number: 33
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 2:41 pm: | |
Lucifer,
I would love to answer any questions you have when you identify yourself!
Kathleen,
You post. You appoligize. You post again. You appoligize again. How could anyone take you serious?
Please tell me your last name before you attack any member of my family again.
"Chris Durkin, He is, I repeat, the very person who, looking for a way to get back in good with Sharpe James's Essex County political machine, exploited the anger of the reval to cobble together a smarmy slate of oppurtunists to run for the party line"
Please tell me what the hell you are talking about because my family hasn't the slightest!!!
"If he wins, won't he have charge of Maplewoods absentee ballots"
...and what? That's a disgusting post! Is everything a conspiracy to you?
THE REAL TRAGEDY IN OUR SOCIETY IS WHEN COMMUNIST LEANING EDITORS OF MAJOR NEWS ORGANIZATIONS IGNORE FACTS AND SLANT STORIES TO ADVANCE THEIR AMERICAN HATING IDEOLOGY.
Tim Durkin  |
joeltfk
Citizen
Username: Joeltfk
Post Number: 195
Registered: 8-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 3:05 pm: | |
Agreed, wharfat. |
Lucifer
Citizen
Username: Lucifer
Post Number: 29
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 3:34 pm: | |
Mr. Durkin
The relevance of my posts has nothing to do with my identity. I choose to keep myself anonymous, you choose not to. Either way what we write should only be judged by its content. I am sorry if you fail to see that. You have diverted a conversation about specific issues into a rant of ideological claims and bubbling conspiracies. If I was the moderator of this board I would remove your posts from this thread and put them somewhere else. You are bullying your way into a conversation.
If you fail to answer my questions, then you will only further prove your lack of considersation and honest concern for the issues at hand. |
golden
Citizen
Username: Golden
Post Number: 111
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 7:14 pm: | |
Lucier
"The relevance of my posts has nothing to do with my identity"
I strongly disagree on that point. Comments on the ability or weakness of a TC candidate is one thing, but extending your comments to the brother of a poster is way out of line.
I asked Kathleen to explain her earlier comment about Chris Durkin and absentee ballots. So far she has failed to do so.
Wonder why?
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shestheone
Citizen
Username: Shestheone
Post Number: 165
Registered: 5-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, May 28, 2005 - 9:02 pm: | |
Mr Durkin
You're views are scary! |
kathleen
Citizen
Username: Symbolic
Post Number: 109
Registered: 3-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 12:50 am: | |
golden,
Wonder why? I was in upstate New York today.
The Essex county clerk is in charge of handling absentee ballots. This is from the April 12, 2005 Star-Ledger:
"This is one of the biggest tickets you'll see," said Chris Durkin, who is running for Essex County clerk."
I recommend casting a vote for anybody else.
tdurkin307,
Your family is involved and has been involved for years in the Essex County political machine, unarguably one of the worst in the nation, in no small part because it is one big patronage machine. What your brother did locally to get Republicans into power in Maplewood and Maplewood entangled with that machine was a disservice to every Democrat and every resident in Maplewood. You're your own man. I'm entitled to my opinion of the Essex machine and your brother's political activities.
I don't know who else but you takes me seriously on MOL. Most people don't answer my posts. But I think your credibility just took a nose dive way south. Who's going to believe you anymore when you swear up and down that your pushing for a PBA endorsement wasn't politically motivated by hatred of liberal Democrats? Or that it was just a coincidence that it happened when your brother was politically arranging the return of Republican rule?
Look at Fred Profeta's campaign: He's got cops who don't work in Maplewood hurling red-baiting accusations of lack of patriotism at residents, while simultaneously Fred orchestrates a smear campaign against a genuinely liberal organization that endorsed Vic DeLuca. I'll stick with the support DeLuca gets.
Tim, I haven't been an editor for a major news organization since 1997, but when I was and received letters like yours, my reaction was invariably the same: "Oh, boo-hoo. Tell me more about your tragic sense." You take me back.
Perhaps you should just get on your swift-boat now and cool off.
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Lucifer
Citizen
Username: Lucifer
Post Number: 30
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 1:57 am: | |
Golden
I made no references to anyones family, so I say again, the relevance of my posts has nothing to do with my identity.
I await a response from Tim Durkin. |
tdurkin307
Citizen
Username: Tdurkin307
Post Number: 34
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 3:29 am: | |
It's not even worth it!  |
Bob K
Supporter
Username: Bobk
Post Number: 8586
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 5:41 am: | |
I think this thread should be relabeled:
RABID IDEALOGUE PIT BULLS ON THE ATTACK
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golden
Citizen
Username: Golden
Post Number: 112
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 10:01 am: | |
tdurkin307
You are right, it's not worth it.
But the rants against you, your brother Chris, and the rest of our family have not been without effect. It is logical to assume that the posters who react so strongly against you are supporters of Vic Deluca. It is also logical to assume that Vic reads these postings, and has done nothing that I know of to discourage personal and unfounded attacks against your brother and your family.
Let them talk, they only prove your point.
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Lucifer
Citizen
Username: Lucifer
Post Number: 32
Registered: 5-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 10:59 am: | |
Okay well this thread has reached its end. The Durkin family has successfully hijacked it. I will no longer post to this thread, and I encourage anyone else interested in thoughtful discussion to do the same. |
Reflective
Citizen
Username: Reflective
Post Number: 949
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 6:44 pm: | |
Lucifer - what a relief! That you are off this one, that is....
Back in Nov/Dec when the first vic rumors barely frosted the ground, I wrote that if only it would be true (because it would really spice up MOL, and it has).
Thugs, a descriptive word - sorry persons, I didn't realize how thin skinned the highly paid leftist elite is.
It has been a hoot to read the vic democrats' version of maplewood political history. My version of dem history starts with Theo, who was actually not so bad, but then Ellen really ratcheded it up, until overachiever Gerry arrived on the scene with his thoroughly researched and mean attack on king bob, a revered mayor by both dems and reps.
It seems the essex county democrat machine was fuming for years that maplewood wasn't in its pocket. Starting with Ellen, the essex dem machine realized their dream. Vic benefitted from that. He is an outlier.
In my opinion if maplewood wants to give up its community character, its independance, its uniqueness, and its civilness, vote for Vic. |
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